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Key Source for Palin's Connection to Alaskan Independence Party Backs Off Account
In the past few days, during Sarah Palin's rough introduction to the American public, it has been reported (first by ABC News) that Palin, the governor of Alaska tapped by John McCain to be his running mate, was once a member of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP). This minor third party advocates for the secession of Alaska from the United States. It is affiliated with the Constitution Party, which supports the reign of Biblical common law. If Palin has indeed been an AIP true-believer, it would be rather curious: she would be a vice presidential candidate who favored reducing the size of the United States.
But it is getting harder to make that case. The McCain-Palin campaign on Tuesday released voter registration to show she was never registered to vote in Alaska as a member of the party. And a key source for the stories about Palin and the AIP backed off his account in an interview with Mother Jones. Palin's husband has been a long-time AIP member, but ascertaining her true association with the party has been difficult.
In recent press reports, Lynette Clark, the AIP's chairman, has been quoted as saying Palin was at an AIP convention in 1994 and was an official party member at the time. Other sources within the party tell Mother Jones that the only way to become a member of the AIP is to register to vote with the AIP. Yet the state of Alaska released records confirming what the McCain-Palin campaign had maintained: Palin never registered as an AIP member.
What explains the contradiction between Clark's claim and the records? Dexter Clark, husband of Lynette and a vice chairman of the Alaska Independence Party, said that when his wife told reporters that Palin had been an AIP member she was "acting on information from Mark Chryson," the party's regional chair for Wasilla, Palin's hometown. The 1994 convention was held in Wasilla, where Palin was a city councilmember at the time. Chryson "has repeatedly said to me personally and my wife, Lynette, and groups of party members at large, that at that 1994 convention, Sarah and Todd Palin attended and registered as members," Dexter Clark told Mother Jones.
Asked how Palin could have been a member, when state records did not indicate Palin ever registered as an AIP member, Chyrson, in an interview with Mother Jones, backed off his account. "What could have been the confusion—her husband was a member of the party. He was at the convention. She could have been considered—it might have been thought she was a member then." Talking Points Memo has reported that Todd Palin was a member of the AIP from 1995 to 2002, with the exception of a short period in 2000 when he was undeclared.
Chyrson said he did not remember seeing Sarah Palin at the 1994 convention: "I don't, no. I was working behind the scenes. Back then I was only vaguely familiar with her. I would not have recognized her. I had just met her. I probably would not have recognized her." He added that Sarah Palin did not play "an active role in the party" or to speak out for its causes.
Not being registered as an AIP member did not keep some Alaskans from being supporters of the party and its aims. Jack Coghill, the lieutenant governor of Alaska from 1990 to 1994 and a candidate for governor in 1994 on the AIP ticket, told Mother Jones that being friendly with the AIP and a registered Republican was "common" in the 1990s. Might Palin had had a similar relationship with the party? Given her husband's long-time membership in the group, Palin was likely aware of the group's tenets. And in 2008, as governor, she submitted a welcoming video to the AIP convention in Fairbanks. "Your party plays an important role in our state's politics," she said. "I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well… We have a great promise: to be a self-sufficient state." She closed by saying, "Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you."
Having a vice presidential candidate associated in any way with a party that boasts the slogan "Alaska First — Alaska Always" could be a problem for McCain, whose slogan is "Country First." There's no documentary evidence now that Palin was a member. But the question lingers: was she a fellow traveler?
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I have a feeling this isn't going away. Do you think maybe her and her husband talked about his membership?
Baloney. Her husband's officially on the rolls for a decade, and before the attention is directed her way you've got multiple AIP people on record (and at least one on video) saying she attended meetings and was a member until she ran for office because "you gotta do what you gotta do"; you've got a past AIP bigwig bragging that he put her in the governor's seat; you've got AIP people saying that one of their tactics is to "infiltrate" the major parties.
And that's all wrong, because she wasn't officially on the rolls, and now that the flashlight is focused on her, you've got an AIP guy saying, uh, no, I didn't really mean that?
Baloney.
Posted by: j on 09/02/08 at 4:43 PM Respond
I'm all for Alaska's independence. No more Alaskan politicians trying to build roads to nowhere in Florida on federal money. Brilliant! Go for it, I say. No more 'internet is a series of tubes' or other ignorance, either.
Posted by: Bert on 09/02/08 at 6:35 PM Respond
Sarah Palin is the most best qualified person available to run with McCain. She is more experienced and more qualified than any other GOP candidate.
She was born to have her finger on the nuclear button, she is the perfect compliment to McCain and she completes him.
Romney, Ron Paul, Huckabee - all simple minded hacks compared to Palins expertise and experience.
It only makes sense.
John McCain made a sober, careful and thoughtful choice.
(sarcasm times 10)
Posted by: capt on 09/02/08 at 7:07 PM Respond
She's ridiculous. Not a credible choice.
The party of dumb, smears, sanctimony, war, and incompetence is running their '08 campaign the same way? Unpossible!
Posted by: archie on 09/02/08 at 10:33 PM Respond
Please let's us take a moment and remember we know Palin for less than a week and John McCain wants us to believe that she is the best candidate for VP in the Republican fold.
What we know so far is that
1) There is a YouTube video showing her Addressing the AIP this year as a great party. Why did she do it?
2) She hid the pregnancy of her teenage daughter till the press broke it out. Wouldn't it been better to announce it before she was chosen as the VP nominee?
3) Her claims of "executive experience" are huge overhypes. Examples- In Alaska the governor manages about 50 people. Wow!! The budget of Alaska is 6Billion. Peanuts when you compare it to New York City. She claims she stopped the construction to the bridge to no-where. But she was against stopping it.
4) She is believing she is doing her motherly duties but from what we see she lacks motherly skills.
5) Best of all, in just 3 days she has had to have more Republican spin for a lifetime due to all the drip-by-drip of stories coming out of her life. Now we are faced with an unkown candidate for VP. We don't know her- and in 2 months we still will not know enough about her.
Futhermore, her Church views are opposed by most Jewish Americans because her Pastor and guest speakers refer to Jews as those that killed Jesus. We should be concerned about this type of thinking.
Posted by: ThePoliticalTruth on 09/03/08 at 6:01 AM Respond
She may not have been a member, but she attended the church. There's also that very cordial video message she taped in the governor's office for the AIP's convention.
I don't think family's off-limits here, either. Obama was criticized because his wife expressed occasional disappointment with the nation, but Palin's husband's a longtime member of a party that wants to secede from the Union.
An inexperienced governor paired with a decrepit old hawk. We've seen this movie already.
Posted by: pk on 09/03/08 at 6:01 AM Respond
Why was her pregnant daughter holding her special needs baby?
Posted by: Audrey on 09/03/08 at 7:28 AM Respond
"She may not have been a member, but she attended the church"
No, your confusing her with someone else who was actually a member of a segregationist church for 20 years -- located in Chicago. Along with wife and children.
When's the MSM going to dispatch 100's of stringers to Chicago to determine which sermons the Chosen One attended? Still waiting...
Posted by: Blackhorse on 09/03/08 at 7:31 AM Respond
"She may not have been a member, but she attended the church"
No, you're confusing her with someone else who actually was a member of a segregationist church for 20 years -- located in Chicago. Along with wife and children.
When's the MSM going to dispatch 100's of stringers to Chicago to determine which sermons the Chosen One attended? Still waiting...
Posted by: Blackhorse on 09/03/08 at 7:33 AM Respond
Oh my goodness! Did anyone click over to see the Republican convention?
What a contrast. You had to squint your eyes and search for ten minutes to find a minority in the crowd! IT WAS SO HILARIOUS! I don't know about you, but that crowd didn't look anything like the America I see when I step outside my front door. It's actually quite sad.
They were all clearly grateful that Hurricane Gustav allowed them to keep George Bush in his cage and off center stage. What a lucky break, huh! And not one word about the last 8 years of misery! Not one word! No one mentioned $4 gasoline; the credit crunch; home foreclosures; 3,000 dead soldiers; our oil dependency; torture; the rape of the environment; illegal wiretaps; the politicization of the Justice Department or any other Bush tragedy. Is anybody, aside from Bushes oil buddies, better off than they were 8 years ago? Seriously...is anybody better off?
If Sarah Palin supposedly "energized the Republican base", I'd hate to see them get sedated! Oh my God! It was like the county morgue on a Tuesday night! ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz...ZZzzzzz...
The entire crowd looked like it was paid to show up and cheer on queue! They even had defibrillator-carrying paramedics checking vital signs at the door, just to make sure the audience members were in fact alive. Sadly, a few mummies were actually turned away, pacemakers in hand. "Gotta have a pulse to get in folks. Sorry." It was really something to see.
Then, get this, Joe "Sleepy-Speech" Lieberman walks out and does his best Ben Stein impression! Three minutes in to his...Uh? I don't know...I guess you could call it a speech. Anyway, three minutes in, an old woman in a red, white and blue blouse near center stage quietly collapsed into a deep snore, right there on live television! Her husband would have nudged her awake but he was too busy doing some nodding off of his own. Then, out of the blue, somebody yelled "23 Skadoo!" and everyone on the convention floor jumped! It was right about then that Cindy McCain cranked up that old chronograph hit "Camptown Races" and the entire crowd joined in for a heart-warming sing-a-long!
"The Camptown ladies sing this song,
Doo-da, Doo-da
The Camptown racetrack's five miles long
Oh, de doo-da day!
Goin' to run all night
Goin' to run all day
I bet my money on a bob-tailed nag
Somebody bet on the gray!"
Wow! Talk about a barn-burner! It must have been a hot time in the old town that night! I understand Ann "Bust-A-Move" Coulter threw one heck of an after-party in her suite at the airport Marriott. Oh yeah, I'm told Ms. Coulter and Carl "The Cynic" Rove got totally buck-wild after a few glasses of cheap champagne. That must have been something to see! Wow. I don't know how they're gonna top this one. Frankly, I don't think Minnesota can take much more of this Republican-style insanity. -- Steve Ford
Posted by: Steve Ford on 09/03/08 at 8:11 AM Respond
My question is what religion are both her and her husband? Being from Idaho I question what her family's religious roots are, and how they will affect ALL Americans religious freedoms. Bush's administration has hurt our country by making religion and the belief in Jesus a platform which has angered many, and will continue to do so. We are getting into a very dangerous path as we move forward while alienating many Americans. I have always respected all religions, but have seen how a few religious groups continue to target our youth and those that are vulnerable as well as promoting their agendas in our public school systems. This is a concern and fight I will be involved in for life.
Posted by: nozealots on 09/03/08 at 8:13 AM Respond
Compliments of Fact check org-------------
We checked the accuracy of Obama's speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:
Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.
He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.
He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.
Obama asked why McCain would "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, "But seriously ..."
Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would "tax people’s benefits" but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.
He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.
Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.
Analysis
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama accepted his party's nomination Aug. 28, speaking before more than 84,000 people in Denver's Mile High football stadium. Some of his comments were worthy of a ref's yellow flag.
Posted by: Democrat on 09/03/08 at 9:15 AM Respond
what's funny is that in all honesty McCain WAS NOT joking when he first made the statement about $5 million annual income. It wasn't until he felt the crowd's awkwardness that he recanted and tried to front like he was joking. O'BIDEN '08!!
Posted by: multi-millionaire mccain on 09/03/08 at 10:52 AM Respond
Democrat wrote, "He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time."
Excuse me, but isn't it the Bush policies (which McCain voted for 90 percent of the time) that's sinking the ship?
Posted by: Joe Paycheck on 09/03/08 at 3:04 PM Respond
Steve Ford you totally made me laugh out loud!
Thanks, I needed that.
Posted by: MacDuck on 09/03/08 at 3:09 PM Respond
Steve Ford, you made me laugh out loud right here at work!
Thanks, I needed that.
Posted by: MacDuck on 09/03/08 at 3:10 PM Respond
the McSame people are going around and scrubbing.... Way too late McSame you are toast...
In the days of the internet nothing ever disappears...
Posted by: kg on 09/03/08 at 6:14 PM Respond
Oh great! Just what we need: another bible thumping, gun toting republican puppet rolled out to the American public as a serious solution to what ails this country. This falls right in line with the token cronies lined up for us the last 8 years with the likes of the Condi Rice, Colin Powell, and Chief Justice Gonzalez of the Bush administration! Do they really think we are that stupid and will fall for this foolishness for four more years? This GOP ticket is clearly of the same mold that raped and pillaged this economy and got rich on the premise national security and anti-terrorism. What a hot mess!
Posted by: ric fizer on 09/04/08 at 12:15 AM Respond
Shouldn't the opinions of "the first dude" be vetted. Isn't Sarah supposed to bend to the will of her husband.
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America and her damned institutions."
Sounds like a great blunder for the republicans, an American hating VP another “heck of a job Brownie” moment. LOL!
Posted by: Skip Roth on 09/04/08 at 5:51 AM Respond
Is it too hard for you to apologize for making up news?
Posted by: Chuck on 09/04/08 at 8:09 AM Respond
Actually it gets worse. Just wait till they try the we are at war scenario. They will scare the populace into believing the nation is under attack to stir up hatred and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism so that they can trash the constitution and bill of rights for all our citizens and bring the country under martial law and rape the treasury and make big money from another corporate war and the same time line their pocket with money. Palin already said that God told us to go to War. Who in their right mind would believe this?
Posted by: lucero1946 on 09/04/08 at 11:28 AM Respond
don't worry Lucero it happens all over the world with conservative political party's..even down here in Australia! and we gave them the boot in our recent elections.
Posted by: MS on 09/04/08 at 6:30 PM Respond
I strngly resented when emails were going around falsely accusing Obama of being a muslim, I suspect most of you did as well. I also strongly resent much the atuff posted here on Sara Palin, most of it false and offensive. I am surprised how deep the party hatred runs
Posted by: 123andy on 09/04/08 at 9:00 PM Respond
I strngly resented when emails were going around falsely accusing Obama of being a muslim, I suspect most of you did as well. I also strongly resent much the atuff posted here on Sara Palin, most of it false and offensive. I am surprised how deep the party hatred runs
Posted by: 123andy on 09/04/08 at 9:01 PM Respond
None of these candidates are going to fix a single thing. America needs to get off it's @$$ and fix it herself. Don't cry about how much debt you have...cut up your cards and live below your means. You got a variable rate and now it's too high? Tough, you should have read and UNDERSTOOD the contract. This is not hard people. Quit blaming Bush for EVERYTHING, and start blaming the people that put themselves into these situations. It all comes down to personal responsibility.
Posted by: Ed on 09/04/08 at 11:39 PM Respond
Just some questions: how many states in the Union have secessionist parties? How many have major minor political secessionist parties? How many such secessionist parties have had a party member's spouse chosen as the default fallback for the Man in the Hot Seat?
I'm betting the Europeans are chortling away behind their hands - "We welcome the President of the United States, Mr McCain, the Vice-President of the United States and the President of Alaska Mrs Palin, to ..."
It would serve us right too, to have the Russian President cozy on up to the Alaskan President-Presumptive, to see if Russia and Alaska can do business together. (They both have major vital interests in the Arctic Circle ...)
Posted by: Nil O'Raly on 09/06/08 at 2:35 AM Respond
As someone who lived in Alaska for 20 + years I can tell you that many members of AIP really hate America.
I hope it is OK that I pasted this article
Flag"
By Greg Sargent - September 2, 2008, 6:10PM
The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."
The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made the comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.
"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
At another point, Volger advocated renouncing allegiance to the United States. In the course of denouncing Federal regulation over land, he said:
"And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska."
You can listen to audio of the relevant section of the Volger interview here. Bill Schneider, curator of oral history at the library, verified the authenticity of the interview and the quote to me a few moments ago.
Palin has courted the group over the years.
Three years after the controversial interview, in 1994, Palin attended the group's annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News' Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign is disputing her presence there, but Tapper found two people to attest to it.
The McCain campaign today produced Palin's voting registration records, and said they proved she was never a member of the party.
But she has repeatedly reached out to the group. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.
Palin's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of the party from 1995-2002 with a brief exception in 2000.
It's worth noting that Vogler isn't just some figure from ancient history. He is still being hailed on AIP's site this year, the same year Palin addressed the group's convention.
It's worth pondering how big a deal it would be if Obama had ever courted the support of a group whose head had said this kind of thing about America and her flag. Oh, wait...
When you look at Plains address to AIP on u-tube
she makes a point of saying she agrees with their views
This makes her real stupid or dangerous
Posted by: Parto on 09/08/08 at 1:16 AM Respond
News Flash ...
Alaska sold on eBAY - for a profit
Alaska governor Sarah McPalin has sold Asaska to the Russians for a profit.
There are now plans to build a bridge from Russia to Alaska.
The capital of Alaska will be renamed Palingrad.
Wasilla is to be conferred the title "Mooseburger Capital of the World".
Stay tuned ... more to come
Posted by: Ralph on 09/08/08 at 10:28 AM Respond
Sarah Palin's baby was sedated for the tv appearance at the Republican convention.
So says my psychiatrist friend.
Posted by: Scott on 09/11/08 at 1:44 PM Respond
Former GOP senator calls Palin a 'cocky wacko'
September 11, 2008
Former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee has words for Sarah Palin.
(CNN) – Former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee was known for keeping a low-key profile on Capitol Hill, but the Republican -turned -Independent is making waves with his exceedingly blunt comments on newly-minted Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin:
She's a "cocky wacko," he told a Washington think tank earlier this week.
Chafee, the lone Senate Republican to vote against the Iraq war who endorsed Obama's White House bid earlier this year, told an audience at the New America Foundation in Washington Tuesday that Palin's selection has energized Obama backers.
"People were coming into my office, phone calls were flooding in, e-mails were coming in, 'I just sent money to Obama, I couldn't sleep last night' — from the left. To see this cocky wacko up there," he said.
He also described McCain's candidacy as "lackluster” and described the selection of Palin as a throwing "this firestorm, this tornado, into the whole presidential election."
Chafee, whose father served as senator from Rhode Island from 1976 until his death in 1999, narrowly lost his re-election bid two years ago to Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse amid that election cycle’s wave of anti-Republican sentiment.
Chafee made a stir earlier this year when he directly called out Democrats who supported the Iraq war and were now expressing regret for their vote.
“I find it surprising now, in 2008, how many Democrats are running for president after shirking their constitutional duty to check and balance this president,” he wrote in his January 2008 book, “Against the Tide.” “Being wrong about sending Americans to kill and be killed, maim and be maimed, is not like making a punctuation mistake in a highway bill."
Posted by: Scott Fields on 09/11/08 at 1:48 PM Respond
Sorry about the conversational drift, but, I must respond to the completely one-sided account of Barack Obama's policies by "Democrat."
"Democrat," [You] posted a article by Factcheck.org, a non-partisan, voter advocacy group, claiming that Obama stretched the truth in describing the impact of his policies on the American people.
However, [you] neglected to mitigate that article with a similar one critiquing the result of John McCain's own policies-that's disingenuous.
YES, "Democrat," Factcheck.org DID debunk McCain's lies, half-truths, and innuendo, "(FactChecking McCain, September 5, 2008)," at least on those claims that McCain was specific about, and found that he misstated the differences of Obama's policies in contrast with those of his own.
That isn't the only instance where McCain was at variance with the truth on Obama. Factcheck.org also debunked several McCain ads and concluded that the McCain campaign is engaging in "a pattern of deception.
Note: It's always best to check out all sides before treading out on a dead limb)...
Posted by: Jay on 09/14/08 at 7:35 AM Respond
Mr.Ford,
I do believe that is 4000 plus service members killed in George's War, not 3000...
Just keepin the records straight.
Posted by: flt engineer on 09/20/08 at 4:13 AM Respond
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