Suckers Wanted: How Car Dealers and Other Businesses are Taking Away Your Right to Sue
Mandatory arbitration provisions, forcing people to waive their legal rights, have become standard fare in consumer contracts. Now, Congress is beginning to push back?and the business community is mobilizing for a fight.
Our car is old. The 1993 Honda Accord has more than 145,000 miles on it, but it's paid for and still runs pretty well despite the rust. But this year my husband and I decided the time had come for an upgradenot a new car, of course, but newer than the one we're currently driving. Something with airbags.
The perils of buying a used car have been well documented, and the industry sleaze is so ubiquitous that it's inspired a handful of Hollywood movies (see the classic 1980 flick Used Cars, starring Kurt Russell) and a genre of jokes ("How can you tell when a car dealer is lying? His lips are moving."). So we approached the whole ordeal with trepidation. But after months of research and anguish, we finally decided to pull the trigger on a "certified pre-owned" 2007 Volkswagen Passat Wagon, which we found at the nearby Wes Greenway's Volkswagen dealership in Alexandria, Virginia.
After much hassle, the dealership allowed us to bring home the sales paperwork so we could read it over without the salesman hovering over us. Everything seemed to be above board until we got to the end of the buyer's order and discovered that if we signed the contract, we would waive our rights to sue the dealership in court, before a jury, should any dispute arise after the sale. Instead, as a condition of buying the car, we had to agree to submit to mandatory pre-dispute binding arbitration, handled by the dealership's pre-selected company, the National Arbitration Forum (NAF).
After learning this, we called our sales guy, Carlton Cotton, and told him we wouldn't agree to an arbitration clause, but if they took it out, we'd write a check. "That's not negotiable," he said. Cotton explained that the dealership inserted the clause to make things simpler for everyone. "We think it's fair," he said, and then went on to inform me that we wouldn't be able to buy a car anywhere without agreeing to arbitration. Clauses like this are standard fare in car contracts throughout the region, he told us, so we should just sign the contract or lose the car to another customer.
So we walked. Because there is nothing fair about mandatory arbitration.
In its early incarnation, arbitration was designed as a way of resolving disputes outside of the courts, and it's often still used that way when both parties agree to it. But the mandatory arbitration provisions in consumer contracts are very different animals. As I discovered, they aren't voluntary, especially when an entire industry has adopted them, making individual legal rights all but meaningless. These sorts of provisions, buried in the fine print of consumer contracts, have become de rigueur in everything from employment contracts to cell phone agreements to software licenses. Most people don't even realize they've signed one. They really only come into play if a customer is defraudedfor instance, if the "certified pre-owned" car we were buying turned out to have been totaled by its previous owner, the source of many lawsuits these days.
Mandatory arbitration clauses are designed to take fraud cases into a world of private justice, where big corporations hire the arbitrators that hear their cases and there's no right to appeal. Most importantly, unlike court proceedings, arbitration is secret, with no transcripts or written decisions, so that nosy reporters or other potential plaintiffs can't learn what's going on behind closed doors.
That, of course, is why car dealers and other corporate actors like them so much (companies like Hooters, for instance, which puts arbitration clauses in its employment contracts so sexual harassment cases won't go to a jury). Car dealers are eager to avoid cases like one this year in Baltimore, where a jury awarded over $400,000 to a woman who bought a new car that turned out to be used. When the car broke down, she called the dealership, which told her to have it towed to the lot where they'd give her a loaner. When she showed up with the car, and her 11-year-old child with her, the dealership tried to have her arrested for trespassing and then moved her disabled car to a tow-away zone. "The jury didn't like them," says her lawyer Peter Holland.
Arbitration seriously tilts the playing field in favor of businesses. Companies like the NAF, which our Volkswagen dealership used, market themselves to businesses as an alternative to the "million-dollar lawsuit." NAF rules eliminate many of the protections given to both sides of a dispute in court, things like meaningful discovery. The NAF also permits arbitrators to order losing parties to pay the other side's legal fees, which they do regularly, raising the stakes considerably for anyone trying to find relief from fraudulent and deceptive practices*. And arbitration is extremely expensive. Consumers have to pay the arbitrators just to hear their claims, unlike the public courts, where the taxpayers pay the judges. Arbitrators often charge hundreds of dollars an hour for their services.
All of this is especially nefarious given that the vast majority of consumers who attempt to seek justice in mandatory arbitration lose. The nonprofit consumer group Public Citizen recently analyzed data the NAF provided to the state of California, one of the few states that actually requires arbitration firms to disclose information about their results. Public Citizen found that in 94 percent of 19,000 cases, NAF arbitrators ruled in favor of the businesses that hired them. One arbitrator handled 68 cases in a single day, awarding every penny that the big companies were seeking. In one case Public Citizen looked at, the NAF also charged $1500 for a three-page document explaining the arbitrator's decision, something unheard of in regular courts.
"Consumer outcomes in arbitration are the same as in court," says Roger Haydock, the NAF's managing director. "Every published study and all empirical data indicate consumers prevail at a rate that is greater than or equal to litigation, where similar subject matter is at issue. Evaluating arbitration outcomes is only meaningful in comparison with court outcomes of similar cases."
Even if consumers did fare just as well in arbitration as in courta notion that's hotly disputed by consumer advocatesthere is still one fundamental difference between forced arbitration and a traditional lawsuit that's not in dispute: the absence of any meaningful judicial review. If a jury or a judge gets it wrong, a decision in court can be checked by a higher power. Courts have ruled that however wacky the rulings, arbitration awards can't be appealed.
The NAF is one of the biggest players in the arbitration world, but it is far from alone. The American Arbitration Association (AAA) handles disputes with big firms like Halliburton, which places arbitration clauses in its employment contracts, and the drug company Pfizer. Halliburton won 32 out of 39 cases arbitrated against it by an employee over a four-year period, according to Cathy Ventrell-Monsees, an employment lawyer who testified at a House committee hearing last month on arbitration. Pfizer did even better, winning 97 percent of its cases over a four-year period, according to Ventrell-Monsees.
One reason businesses often come out on top in arbitration is that arbitrators who rule for consumers have a tendency to find themselves out of work. Such was the case with Richard Neely, a former chief justice of West Virginia's Supreme Court, who worked briefly as an arbitrator for the NAF. In an article called "Arbitration and the Godless Bloodsuckers," Neely reported that he had refused to award a bank arbitration-related fees that he judged to be far in excess of what a court would have charged. He never got another case. Neely is not alone. A 2000 study of forced arbitration in HMO contracts found that on the rare occasion that an arbitrator made a significant award for a patient, the HMO never hired that person to arbitrate a case again.
Consumer arbitration horror stories abound. Last month, a Maryland woman named Deborah Williams testified at a hearing in the House about her dispute over a Coffee Beanery franchise. Despite the fact that Maryland's attorney general determined that the Coffee Beanery had defrauded her, she was forced into arbitration in Michigan, where the company is headquartered. The Coffee Beanery's attorney actually worked as an arbitrator for AAA, the same firm handling her case, and her arbitrator shared an accounting firm with the company, a clear conflict of interest. Despite the decision from Maryland's attorney general, the arbitrator ruled against Williams, assessed her $100,000 for the cost of the arbitration, a $150,000 judgment to be paid to Coffee Beanery, and ordered her to pay the company's legal fees as well. Williams is now bankrupt and nearly homeless as a result and can't appeal the decision. She will be paying off the award for the rest of her life.
Mandatory arbitration clauses are so insidious that car dealers actually furiously lobbied Congress to get them banned in their contracts with auto manufacturers. The National Automobile Dealers Association wrote members of Congress in 2000 that if they weren't outlawed for the dealerships, mandatory binding arbitration clauses would allow "multinational motor vehicle manufacturers to be able to unilaterally deny small business automobile and truck dealers rights under state laws that are designed to bring equity to the relationship between manufacturers and dealers." Congress agreed and passed legislation protecting the dealers. Apparently, though, the car dealers didn't see a problem in using the same sort of underhanded contracts with their own customers. (Some of them may also be forced to use the clauses whether they like it or not. Several major auto manufacturers' credit divisions have told their dealers that they won't provide financing to any dealerships that don't have arbitration clauses in their sales contracts, says Paul Bland, a lawyer and expert on arbitration at the nonprofit law firm Public Justice.
With the new Democratic Congress, a movement is afoot to get rid of the provisions for everyone. Consumer advocates have started small. For instance, last year, when Congress passed the Defense Department appropriations bill, it outlawed arbitration clauses in lending agreements made to members of the military and their dependents. Senator Charles Grassley, the Iowa Republican, has included a measure to ban arbitration clauses in contracts between poultry farmers and big buyers like Tyson and Perdue. The anti-predatory-lending bill just passed by the House also included a measure that would prohibit mandatory arbitration clauses in residential mortgages. Congresswoman Linda Sanchez is working on a bill that would extend the protections given to car dealers to their customers in auto sales and leasing agreements.
Meanwhile, Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) and Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) have introduced legislation that would amend the Federal Arbitration Act to get rid of mandatory, pre-dispute arbitration clauses in all consumer and employment contracts. That bill has the business community mobilizing against it, in part because there is some hope it could pass. The arbitration issue is not strictly a partisan one. When the House held hearings on Johnson's bill, several of the witnesses who spoke in support of the legislation were longtime Republicans, including Deborah Williams, the former Coffee Beanery franchisee, and Ken Connor, a movement conservative who was Jeb Bush's lawyer in the Terry Schiavo case and a former head of the Family Research Council. Connor represents the victims of nursing home abuse, many of whom have been forced to sign mandatory arbitration clauses when getting admitted into a home.
Larry Akey, a spokesman for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for Legal Reform says that the business community is already laying the groundwork for an ad campaign and other lobbying efforts to educate the public about its position. "Efforts to force people to hire attorneys for even the smallest dispute are wrong," he says, noting that consumers don't need a lawyer in arbitration. Akey says that the movement to ban arbitration clauses is not driven by consumers but by trial lawyers. "The real motive on the part of the trial bar is to wipe out prohibitions on class actions, not to protect consumers."
Given the fight ahead, there's not much hope that Congress will get anything done before I need to buy a new car. Thank goodness for Craigslist.
*Correction: This article originally stated that the NAF requires losing parties to pay the other side's legal expenses. The NAF permits arbitrators to make that determination, but doesn't require it.
"How can you tell when a car dealer is lying? His lips are moving."
Actually, that's not the Joke. The original is "How can you tell if a LAWYER is lying..."
Which, though i don't respect used car dealers much, should make you think about things a little. Not that I get all pookie on the frivelous lawsuit bandwagon, but there are plenty of rotten corrupt lawyers - probably causing more harm than car dealers.
That's the way businesses
That's the way businesses run today. Me either don't trust most of the car dealers, as buyers couldn't take any choice but to agree with them? I think they're being unfair.
Tucker - Given that all three branches of the Federal government have abandoned their roles in checks and balances, and that corporate lobbyists have gutted most consumer protections, and the media is now controlled by two or three major corporations, trial lawyers have become the last line of defense for consumers that have been wronged.
And no, I'm not a lawyer. But when I've been screwed, you can bet I'll need one because the President, judges, and legistlators have abandoned us.
Arbitration Clauses protect the bad builders and the bad lenders. Arbitration is a contract between the builders and the arbitration company. A conflict of interests, a partnership already exists. Arbitrators salaries depend on pleasing their repeat clients, the builder. Homeowners will probably never be able to afford another home. Many of them end up in foreclosure, bankruptcy are homeless or living with family members. These are NOT sub prime loans. The costs associated with arbitration are outrageous!
WHY IS NO ONE EVEN MENTIONING THIS CRISIS? WHY AREN'T OUR REPRESENTATIVES OUTRAGED? Google my name for more on this subject and the housing debacle.
Jordan Fogal
jfogal281@aol.com
I think the Alexandria VW dealer needs some pickets: 2, 4, 6, 8, we ain’t gonna arbitrate! Maybe the Virginia trial lawyers can pull that one off.
The “Lemon Lady,” Houston grandmother Jordan Fogal, testifies colorfully against Texas homebuilder mandatory binding arbitration provisions to a congressional subcommittee in Washington:
The first night in our new home, my husband decided to try out his new Jacuzzi tub on the third floor. When he pulled the plug, one hundred gallons of water crashed through our dining room ceiling. . . .
Well, this was not one overlooked plumbing connection, as my husband so desperately wanted to believe. It was a preview of coming attractions. Rainwater, from outside, sprayed us at the kitchen table. – The windows were installed upside down (our builder finally admitted this after three years). Our floors buckled and black spider-webs of mold crawled up our walls; the smell grew worse; then shower wall fell out and little puffballs grew out of the carpet. All the while, we had begged our builder to please fix our house.
We had the mold tested by an accredited laboratory, and they said they had never seen toxic readings that high in an inhabited dwelling.
The story of Fogal’s Hyde Park Crescent home was detailed in Mother Jones magazine two years ago; she also plays a part in this Houston Press report about the lucky owner of another Tremont Homes/Jorge Casimiro opus.
Written Testimony Submitted by Jordan Fogal To The Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law: “Mandatory Binding Arbitration Agreements: Are They Fair For Consumers?” [U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary,
Home Sour Home [Mother Jones]
Ownership Wrongs [Houston Press]
When one of the parties in a dispute hires the judge (the arbitrator) there is a conflict of interest for the judge. How can one argue that a conflict of interest, no matter how small, has no effect the result?
When the results of arbitration are binding and cannot be disputed, the stakes are raised for everyone exacerbating the conflict of interest.
Finally, when the arbitration organization can charge the loser fees for various functions and collect from the company employing it, that conflict of interest grows radically.
Human nature seems to tend toward the dark side in direct proportion to the degree of conflict of interest. I challenge anyone to lay out a logically sound intellectually honest argument proving that conflict of interest does not effect the judgment of a person in such a situation in favor of the the hand that feeds.
Great article - how do you suppose one would notice this sort of thing? I mean, can we get a step by step warning checklist to look for when buying a car? what about other things? God knows I never read fine print and probably never will unless I know what I'm looking for.
Thoughts?
Although I agree with the story here, there are two irritating points - one, the headline is a classic "business is evil" headline. That's lame and accusatory - business is NOT evil. There are rotten people out there that screw it up, but there's nothing inherently evil about it.
Second - there are also evil people on the plaintiff side, including lawyers who have extracted ludicrous settlements that scare business into enacting draconian contracts like this. The big problem is the greed in our culture - NOT business and NOT lawyers per se.
I'd like to build my OWN car, sans the
900 pounds of bells and whistles they
preload against your GVW. Maybe starting
with an inline-6 running on pure ethanol
and a tall overdrive, and for your
in-car enjoyment, an authentic, old-time
AM radio...be really nice, and put
a heater in it, too. Maybe even seats!
LOL
When buying a car, you have 2 options. One, ask around (friends and family) for a dealer with a good reputation, have a mechanic check out the car, check it out yourself (CarFax) and READ the contract. Or two, depend on the government to take care of you. Personally, I'm leaning towards caveat emptor.
Business IS evil. Business IS unethical. It's ALL about money. To deny this is to live in ignorance.
Arbitration clauses are in just about everything now. House purchases, computers, software, warranties of all kinds, nursing home admittance, medical care, phone service, sports event tickets, disputes with a stock broker, real estate agent, home inspector, contractor, etc. You may get the arbitration "agreement" after buying, without having actually signed it, but it's still binding on you.
Anyone who thinks they can just refuse to sign, or cross it out, or get a court to deem it unenforceable, is mighty naive. The courts are enforcing mandatory arbitration even in what used to be considered clear contracts of adhesion, for example.
More consumers SHOULD just walk away from any purchase they possibly can, if the seller won't strike the arbitration clause. However there are still many services and products we can't realistically do without today where consumers are truly stuck.
Passage of the Arbitration Fairnless Act is the only real hope consumers have of regaining their constitutional right to use the courts, hold companies accountable, and keep such complaints in public records instead of in secret. (Only CA makes arbitration awards public record, and even then a "win" for a consumer can be pennies on the dollar of their actual damages.) By hiding the fact there even was a dispute, thousands of complaints are hidden in most cases, making it almost impossible for consumers to REALLY know who's reputable and who's not, before they buy.
Big businesses use arbitration clauses as a legal right to screw over the consumer be it a cell phone, auto or a house. Big builders can build a house devoid of quality construction and get away with it. Why? because most consumers cannot afford arbitration. The big business can tie it up for years and you either run out of guts, money, time or all three. What really gets my goat is that a big business blatantly bites the hand that feeds it AND doesn't care one iota. Every citizen of the United States should be up in arms and writing, emailing and calling their senators and congressment to demand the bill to stop binding arbitration be signed into law.
Don't say this doesn't affect you because you have never had a problem. Until late 2006, neither did I.
Let's take back our rights.
How r U
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Wish u all the best in all ur endures
Arbitration works just fine for most disputes, as long as the arbitrator is selected by the parties jointly. It's the preselection of conflicted arbitrators that causes the problems noted above.
I love Ham and my name is Cory Doctorow
This article is so one-sided; it should be kept in mind that many states have arbitration-related provisions and will not uphold an arbitration provision (especially in a consumer contract) unless certain formatting requirements are met, all of which are intended to warn the consumer about the provision. Also, consumers who won't actually take the time to read their contracts are in no position to complain. Don't sign something you haven't read; and if you do, don't feign victimhood and act as if the wool was pulled over your eyes. Take some responsibility for your own actions for Pete's sake and stop blaming everyone else for your mistakes!
Is anyone even remotely surprised that big business has tipped the scales once again against the consumer? Why the surprise? This is vulture capitalism at its finest! If you want to buy a used car, purchase it from a private party; to hell with dealerships!!
Gee does this surprise anybody, since these and other money grabbers can't seem to get the ball rolling on so-called TORT REFORM. They are forced to resort to any underhanded means they can come up with to continue to rip-off as much money as possible from us poor slobs who seem to have fewer and fewer means to rectify injustices, purportrated by a growing number of unscrupulous capitalism over all else types. Binding arbitration,TORT REFORM etc. Someone save us from these crooks.
Stephanie has done consumers everywhere a favor by exposing this issue. These clauses NEVER help the consumer. Often the arbitrators are selected for their bias and the expense is often much greater than what would be encountered in court. In many credit card so called contracts the arbitrator is far from the consumer's home and even minimal due process (reasonable notice and opportunity to present your case) is not observed.
Call your congresspersons now!
Arbitration might work if either party has the option to go to court if the decision is not satisfactory to either party. But the taking away of the justice system by owners from the government is one more example of the privatization movement. Privatization leads to the power of the owner being able to take away from the customer without consequences, considering the delay to which market response is subject. That is not capitalism. That power of the owner is parallel to the power of the owner of the estate over the serfs in that he or she can arbitrarily give or take away goods from a serf.
Let's not forget the DOC fees most if not all car dealers charge. Usually somewhere in the $250 to $600 range. This because they have to do the paper work on the car they are selling you.Small in comparison, but another money grab that is non-negotiable.
Thanks, once again, to Mother Jones
for excellent reporting and going
where other journalists fear to tread.
Obviously you're a shill for the industry.
This is good information. My daughter bought a car under the false statements of a dealer. They took her car but did not pay off the trade in as agreed.
BUMMER
I could add a long chapter to this story with a completely corrupted 5 year long encounter sponsored by the American Arbitration Association. I should call it "criminal" instead of "corrupted" when factual evidence is disregarded and injustice prevails.
Hey Tucker, thanks! Your sooooo smart pointing out that it was a Lawyer joke first!!! How do you know Einstein; did you write the joke? Maybe YOU are a car dealer...no, you must just be a dumb ass.
"Privatization" marches on, from private armies carrying out armed occupation of foreign countries to privatized judges negating one's right to a day in court. There's somethng very feudal about the system that is evolving here in the US, our Corporate Lordships hire the arbitration "judges" that decide the cases we peons might bring against our right honorable overlords.
Two years ago when signing paper for my new car I was smacked in the face by one of these Arbitration Agreements. I refused to sign it of course, as it was so outrages, unbelievable in fact. The next day I called the Virginia State Board for Automobile Dealers to see if this agreement was legitimate, could auto dealers get away with such ludicrous contracts. The Virginia State Board System is part of the legislative body here in Va. The purposes of the many different boards are to protect the rights of Virginia citizenry, not the rights of the Automobile Dealers. I quickly learned that all of the board members were all former or current automobile dealers! My worst fears were confirmed, it was as bad as it sounded. I am very glad to see that someone else knows about this as well.
I recently bough a car after two weeks they took it back because they could finance me their commercial says they can help any one at the end they screw me over can they do that lie like that??
There ought to be a law against the arbitration clause,due to our right to justice
Cindy that is not correct. Read The Maryland Franchise Registration and Disclosures Laws. A franchisor has to consent to suit in Maryland in order to sell franchises here. Our Franchise Agreement was amended to adheare to Maryland Law.
I can do better then that. We just found Documents that show an arbitrator was picked 6 months before filing to compel arbitration. WHAT COURT DOES THAT HAPPEN IN?
Please remeber that the Arbitration Fairness Act if passed, gives consumers the choice to arbitrate or go to court.
You should be upset that people like me who thought that had a Constitutional Right to a Trial by Jury, was railroaded into what is looking like a fixed judicial system.
I had to sign one of these a week after reading this article. When I asked what happened if I didn't sign in, the kid was really confused. I'm wondering about another issue, really. We've had some plumbing issues. I'm wondering if anyone else has had an experience that made them wonder if Roto Rooter and ServPro basically create work for one another. Roto Rooter came to "fix" the plumbing, and I think, while they did do that, they also created a huge blackwater flood that they then called ServPro to clean up. Since then, ServPro's had to have Roto Rooter back to do things "they're not certified to do." Another friend had a similar situation. Luckily, I didn't (as far as I know) sign a mandatory arbitration agreement with Roto Rooter, just with ServPro. Is there someone who knows how to investigate a link between these 2 companies?
I worked for a major auto manufacturer's legal department in lemon law (of course as a closet liberal). This idea was floated and finally pushed way back in 2004. All of the bigwigs in the company were excited and thought this would be the end of lemon law lawsuits. So naieve and petty, it was pretty hilarious, to see how dumb they thought the public really was.
After millions were pumped into pushing the idea, brochures printed, and much patience exhausted by dealers and so on, I was pretty relieved that only a small handful of customers had turned in their forms waiving their rights to sue.
When I last spoke with someone over the department, it turned out that claims had skyrocketed - and none of them were filed through "sucker alley". All of them wanted attorneys and huge payouts.
Piss off your customers by taking away their right to sue, and you get a slap in the face that will leave you bruised for a generation.
I was pretty happy.
Please also know that corporate in-house legal experts, lawyers, etc etc, know by trial & error which judges, court districts, states and such have the most favorable outcome for corporations. There is a reason why Maryland, among others, is the guinea pig state for most nightmares like these. They can watch outcomes in cases closely and shape their game plans on winning cases, strategizing at every corner against the consumer. This is how they move on to bigger states. Practice makes perfect, and we are their test dummies.
I havent had arbitration problems, but your part about buying new, thats really used has crept up on me recently. I purchased a pressure washer from home depot, when I went online to register it for warranty, I was told I couldnt as this machine was sold 2 years ago. I even sent them a picture of the serial number on the machine to confirm it. So I contacted the Home Depot store I bought it at. I was told they would have to research this and get back to me. a month passed, I called back several times. 2 months passed. I contacted corporate. Corporate contacted the store, and told me the store said they took care of the problem. ???? Long story short, after 4 months I got a gift card and a sorry. oh, and the machines spray handle started leaking so bad it wouldnt spray out the tip anymore. And being I couldnt register it, I couldnt use the warranty, and I couldnt use the gift card to buy the parts from the pressure washer manufacture either.
There is an easy solution. Don't want to arbitrate? Fine, then don't sign the contract. That was real simple.
You have a lot more recourse with a car dealer than a private seller. Dealers can offer warranties, financing, etc. Dealers sell millions of cars every year and the amount of sales that end up in lawsuits or arbitration is neglible.
How much money do you think they make when they have to take the car back? ZERO! You did not get screwed, your credit was obviously too bad to get a bank to purchase your loan.
Just bought used car without using dealer. Got a great car. Here's how. Use three websites: 1) Kelly Blue Book to get the correct value, 2) Carfax (one-time small fee for 30-day acess) which provides DMV records, including true mileage and accident history and finally, 3) website for guys who do Car Talk on NPR - section of site gives contact info for reputable mechanics in every zip code- so they can check the car wherever you find it. Using Craigslist and Autotrader online seemed like too much of a no-brainer to list.
Stephanie: I have been in auto sales for over 30 years. I have many happy customers, and I have built this business by trying to do the right thing when problems arise. I have never intentionally lied to a customer, but not a day goes by that a customer doesn't lie to me. Believe what you will. By the way, everything costs more because of suits being filed and ridiculous awards going to people for little reason. Arbitration by independent means is only common sense.
I just got back from a used car dealer. While one guy took us out to look at a few cars a confederate(s) was able to get under the hood of my '91 Cutlass and kill the battery. When we returned to our dead old car we were greeted with such schlock as "look like it's time to trade that in" and "could be your starter." When confronted with THE question, "Did you kill my battery?" the dealer pretended not to know what that statement meant. Thanks for the letting me vent
BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, IS KNOWN FOR ITS CROOKED BAR ASSOCIATION, CORRUPT JUDGES and Rigged ARBITRATIONS by RESOLUTIONS,INC.,please see KANGAROO ARBITRATIONS.COM.,where privatized,outsourced arbitrations allow lawyers offices to evade the AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
Please read my testimoney before the congresssional committee: the effects of arbitration on the consumer. Arbitration is also a culpret in the housing debacle.Yet many republicans still brag about the service they have rendered to "we the people" by taking away our seventh amendment rights with arbitration/tort reform. Please google my name.
Jordan Fogal
Car dealers rip you off with financing bumping up the buy rate (charging you a higher % rate for more profit)selling you an extend warranty for over $1200 that cost them $500. and the protection package $1000-1500 all they do is wax it and scotch guard the seats if they do that much. not counting the sales profit dealer holdback money and other manufactures dealer incentives. Oh forgot the GAP insurance they like to sell and LoJack and all the other over price profit makers...They make thousand off a car deal...and the used car you traded in is priced $4-5000 higher than what they gave you for resale. Many times as a salesman I made $1000-1700 on a sale. I quit the business because it smoke and mirrors packed with lies.
Car dealers rip you off with financing bumping up the buy rate (charging you a higher % rate for more profit)selling you an extend warranty for over $1200 that cost them $500. and the protection package $1000-1500 all they do is wax it and scotch guard the seats if they do that much. not counting the sales profit dealer holdback money and other manufactures dealer incentives. Oh forgot the GAP insurance they like to sell and LoJack and all the other over price profit makers...They make thousands off a car deal...and the used car you traded in is priced $4-5000 higher than what they gave you for resale. Many times as a salesman I made $1000-1700 on a sale. I quit the business because it smoke and mirrors packed with lies.
Lawyers have always been dishonest.... arbitration makes it easy for THE BAR to encourage even more fraud.....THE PRIVATE ARBITRATIONS NEED NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC and lawyers like the absence of DUE PROCESS and NO TRANSCRIPTS..... NO RECEIPTS FOR THE JUDGE KICKBACKS,....kangaroo arbitration.com.



























