Am I a Torturer?
Ben Allbright watches The Daily Show, worships Dave Eggers—and still wound up "softening up" prisoners in Iraq.
Listen to an interview with the author here.
The prisons in Iraq stink. Ask any guard or interrogator and they'll tell you it's a smell they'll never forget: sweat, fear, and rot. On the base where Ben Allbright served from May to September 2003, a small outfit named Tiger in western Iraq, water was especially scarce; Ben would rig a hose to a water bottle in a feeble attempt to shower. He and the other Army reservists tried mopping the floors, but the cheap solvents only added a chemical note to the stench. During the day, when the temperature was in the triple digits, the smell fermented.
It got even hotter in the Conex container, the kind you see on top of 18-wheelers, where Ben kept his prisoners. Not uncommonly the thermometer inside read 135, even 145 degrees. The Conex box was the first stop for all prisoners brought to the base, most of them Iraqis swept up during mass raids. Ben kept them blindfolded, their hands bound behind their backs with plastic zip ties, without food or sleep, for up to 48 hours at a time. He made them stand in awkward positions, so that they could not rest their heads against the wall. Sometimes he blared loud music, such as Ozzy or AC/DC, blew air horns, banged on the container, or shouted. "Whatever it took to make sure they'd stay awake," he explains.
Ben was not a "bad apple," and he didn't make up these treatments. He was following standard operating procedure as ordered by military-intelligence officers. The MI guys didn't make up the techniques either; they have a long international history as effective torture methods. Though generally referred to by circumlocutions such as "harsh techniques," "softening up," and "enhanced interrogation," they have been medically shown to have the same effects as other forms of torture. Forced standing, for example, causes ankles to swell to twice their size within 24 hours, making walking excruciating and potentially causing kidney failure.
Ben says he never saw anything like that. The detainees didn't faint or go insane, as people have been known to do under similar conditions, but they also "weren't exactly lucid." And, he notes, "I was hardly getting any sleep myself."
When I first set off to interview the rank-and-file guards and interrogators tasked with implementing the administration's torture guidelines, I thought they'd never talk openly. They would be embarrassed, wracked by guilt, living in silent shame in communities that would ostracize them if they knew of their histories. What I found instead were young men hiding their regrets from neighbors who wanted to celebrate them as war heroes. They seemed relieved to talk with me about things no one else wanted to hear—not just about the acts themselves, but also about the guilt, pain, and anger they felt along with pride and righteousness about their service. They struggled with these things, wanted to make sense of them—even as the nation seemed determined to dismiss the whole matter and move on.
This, perhaps, is the real scandal of Abu Ghraib: In survey after survey, as many as two-thirds of Americans say torture is sometimes justified when it's used to get information from terrorists. In an abc/Washington Post poll in the wake of the 2004 scandal, 60 percent of respondents classified what happened at Abu Ghraib as mere abuse, not torture. And as recently as last year, 68 percent of Americans told Pew Research pollsters that they sometimes consider torture an acceptable option when dealing with terrorists.
Critics of the administration's interrogation policies warn that the ramifications will be felt across the globe, including by Americans unlucky enough to be imprisoned abroad. Foreign-policy scholars fear the fallout from Abu Ghraib has already weakened the U.S. military's anti-terrorism capabilities. Lawyers warn about war-crime tribunals. But hardly anyone is discussing the repercussions already being felt here at home. It's the soldiers tying the sandbags around Iraqis' necks and blaring the foghorns through the night who are experiencing the effects most acutely. And the communities they're returning to are reeling as a result.
When i went to visit Ben in Little Rock, Ark., I wanted to know why this charming, intelligent, and overly polite 27-year-old had done what he'd done. For 10 days we rode around in his beat-up maroon 1970s Mercedes—running errands, picking up job applications, meeting his girlfriend for lunch. Ben wore pink shirts, hipster blazers, and color-coordinated Campers; he used hair products, which to his friends meant being a metrosexual; he listened to indie rock, watched The Daily Show, and wrote attitude-filled blogs on veterans rights, which meant being a liberal. He refereed football games, worshipped novelist Dave Eggers, and placed special orders at McDonald's so his meals would be fresh.
He was unemployed, fired from his latest job as a bank teller the day before I arrived. Ben had worked there for four months—the longest he'd held down a full-time job since coming home from Iraq. He'd tried tutoring high schoolers, bagging groceries, and doing IT support for Best Buy. Part of the problem, he said, was the lack of good jobs in the area, part of it his own "flailing and procrastinating." He had toyed with the idea of law school and scored a near-perfect 178 on the lsat entrance test, but then turned down offers from schools such as nyu. While I was in town he picked up an application for a job at his corner liquor store. In high school he was one of two students voted most likely to become famous. "The other kid became a doctor," Ben confessed, "and I, well, yeah..."
As a kid, Ben was a sort of Doogie Howser, blowing through school, asking teachers for more work, until his mom, fearing the classes weren't challenging enough, pulled him out in the fourth grade in order to homeschool him. His parents finally bought a TV set when Ben was in eighth grade. Ben says his dad was an original member of Pat Robertson's 700 Club. He was an executive for American Airlines, a job that moved the family around a lot: St. Louis, Kansas City, Nashville. After they lost their nest egg in the 1987 stock market crash, the family moved from Chicago's lakeshore suburbs to the South Side. Finally, when Ben was a teenager, they settled in Lonoke, outside Little Rock.
Ben took me to the town, 4,300 people and 22 churches. Tractors dotted the fields that hadn't yet been grabbed by developers. He noted a "Free Greens" sign advertising leftovers from someone's garden and the customary wave from passing cars. His condescension about the "bumblefuck" town cracked when he showed me a plot of land, near one that his buddy had just bought, that he saw as a potential home for a future family.
Ben pointed out the Grace Baptist Church, which he attends because he's friends with the pastor and his son, "not because I agree with their fundamentalist views." As an undergraduate at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, Ben explored Buddhism and Taoism, but he returned to Christianity as a way to make sense of the world, even though sometimes it's "awkward reconciling my religion and military profession."
Ben was still in high school when he enlisted as a reservist; his friend Brandon had asked Ben to accompany him to the recruiter's office as a "bullshit detector." In the end, he enrolled along with Brandon, applying twice before he finally bulked up enough to meet the weight requirement. He saw it as a chance to get out from under his parents' thumb and learn about computers. But mainly it was his idealistic sense of duty—right out of Starship Troopers, the 1959 Robert Heinlein novel that is now a cult hit in military circles. "Like in the book, there's the idea that to be a full citizen you have to contribute."
Ben was called up to go to Iraq in February 2003. His father told him the invasion seemed like a mistake, but they didn't have time to discuss the subject much; he died of cancer a month later. Half an hour after the funeral, Ben was on his way to Kuwait.
In iraq, ben was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division; since there was no computer work for him to do, he was made a prison guard.
Things on the Tiger base were pretty "ad hoc," Ben recalls. Some orders, like the mandate that the heavy Kevlar helmets be fastened at the chin at all times, were clearly posted on the wall. Others were left to word-of-mouth, including instructions about detainee handling. Military-intelligence officers issued various orders; then there were the anonymous ogas, a.k.a. other government agencies, code for either private contractors or cia officers with civilian clothes, long beards, and fake names like Joe Stallone and Frank Norris. The chain of command was chaotic.
Ben was soon promoted to warden and made small changes on his shift: Guards had to limit stress positions, and detainee rations were increased from crackers and peanut butter to whole Meals Ready to Eat, which were served three times, not two times, a day. He enforced a ban on cameras to discourage the degrading treatment that usually came when soldiers posed with prisoners for trophy photos. "But I could only do so much," he admits.
When he was first ordered to soften up detainees, "it didn't seem so weird," Ben says; nothing in the war zone was normal. "You don't think about what you're doing until later." He was asked to stand in on dozens of interrogations, to help intimidate the subject: one more body, one more gun. The small room was usually crowded with guards, military-intelligence officers, and ogas. They were told to wear T-shirts, not uniforms that would signal their rank. Under the single bulb, the interrogator would loom above a prisoner seated in a child-size chair. Sometimes the room suddenly went dark and strobe lights flashed on. Other times the soldiers would bang pots and pans in the detainee's face, blare loud music, blast air horns and sirens. The sounds were meant to disorient, but also to mask the screams. More than half the time, even if they were cooperative the detainees were beaten, kicked out of their chairs, punched in the windpipe or gut, pulled by the ears—blows that wouldn't leave lasting marks. Occasionally things got out of hand, but with their medical training, the military-intelligence officers could stitch up or bandage injuries, avoiding a call to the medics and an entry in the logbooks that the Red Cross could read.
The first time Ben saw a detainee get beaten, he took the lead interrogator aside afterward to ask, "Was this stuff really allowed? Didn't it violate the Geneva Conventions?"
"These aren't pows; they're detainees," he was told. "Those rules are antiquated and don't apply. You can't get any information without breaking that stuff." Ben asked other officers, but "it was basically like, 'Dude, you're actually worried about how we're treating them? They wouldn't afford you the same respect.'"
If there is anything Ben hates, it's not having all the information. Like most, he hadn't listened when the Geneva Conventions were covered in basic training. But as it happened, when first arriving in country he'd asked a military lawyer for a cd-rom of various documents, just to have on hand. Now, scrolling through the text on his laptop, Ben saw what anyone could: All prisoners—civilians and combatants—are protected against violence. There is no separate category for unlawful combatants. "Outrages upon personal dignity" and "humiliating and degrading treatment" are prohibited. Abuses like those at the Tiger base were "grave breaches." War crimes.
Ben made a verbal complaint to his platoon leader and later to his platoon leader's boss, asking for an investigation. The officers seemed surprised. "They said they'd look into it and tell their superiors," Ben recalls. "But it didn't seem like a priority." Nothing happened.
"I'm not one of those hardcore 'Duty! Honor! Country!' guys," explains Ben. "But I had signed a contract with rules and obligations. I figured that I did the responsible thing by notifying people. I felt helpless not being able to do more. But at least I'd covered my end." He tried quizzing the guards under him about the Geneva Conventions, but they "just wanted to fuck with people." He developed a reputation as a softy.
I will forever remember the Pentagon, White House, et al hiding behind PFC Lynndie England's skirts. I will forever remember the HATE (it was reported in the media that Lynndie was not welcomed at Fort Bragg) - and how her baby was demeaned at birth at Fort Bragg. Who thought holdhing her hearing at Fort Bragg was a good idea? Turns out, it wasn't a good idea and was sent to Texas.
I really enjoyed reading
I really enjoyed reading that article. Makes you think a bit...
I think the people back home
I think the people back home should really sit and think what the boys are actually doing over there.
The Quran quotes Queen of Sheba saying thus, 'She said: Surely the kings, when they enter a town, ruin it and make the noblest of its people to be low, and thus they (always) do (link: http://en.knowquran.org/koran/27/)'.
Ben could take comfort in the above passage by understanding that it is the nature of war. Redemption comes after realizing your mistake and making amends for it.
It's a very sad story. I have no sympathy whatsoever for someone who can't/won't/didn't think the Iraq war through. Deal with it.
Sorry, but you'd hang at Nueremberg. Following orders has never been an excuse and I don't make up the rules.
What would have happened if George Bush had never invaded Iraq? What would have happened if these young men and women had never been given the assignment,much less the orders and encouragement, to behave that way to another human being? Why weren't the president and vice-president impeached and sent to the Hague for trial along with Rumsfeld? An invertebrate Congress is as much to blame as anyone in the big picture. But "the correction officer in me" line also reminds us that some Americans can be as sadistic as any other nationality. Those people will always find the easiest way to be what they are. As for the rest of us, like the young soldiers profiled in this article, they will either remain in conflict and take a stand or not. But unlike these soldiers, we didn't sign up for whatever the current government was advocating and don't have to remember the stink of suffering and barbarism. Personally, I think it would help them sleep to know that those really in charge were held accountable.
No one will ever be able to
No one will ever be able to answer that with certainty
Brandon's story is the exact same story of everything that went on at Abu Ghraib down to a murder committed by the CIA.
We are bad apples because of those pictures but if not for those pictures some family would not even know there father/husband/brother etc.. had been murdered in prison by the CIA and dayshift MP's (not us who were charged). I guess Brandon and many other Mp's were lucky they already had enough scapegoats for one scandal.
Darby had no idea what orders were being given and what was going on in the prison as his overweight sorry butt was assigned to the TOC. He was a convient hero for the gov.
Thanks for speaking of things of which you had absolutely no clue.
To answer the question...YES.
But you are a victim of the most corrupt and criminal administration in the history of this country.
You essentially had to follow orders or risk retaliation. I do not know what I would have done under similar circumstances as I do not know what my options would have been.
I do know this, ALL officers that condoned these actions all the way up to the Shrub, should be tried and convicted of war crimes.
To make matters worse it is well documented that actions as you were required to take DO NOT WORK to get valid information. These are actions of a psycopathic nation.
I read this story and thought it was something new. But sadly, it is the same old material, hashed around a bit, and put out as another story, old news rewritten
I have to agree with the person who said "you'd hang at Nuremberg. How is is that you are not afforded the rank of human being until you are upgraded from "detainee" to "prisoner of war". This war has no actual "prisoners", only victims. We victimize them, and our military victimizes our own.
You were a willing participant in an illegal war. It's an all volunteer force. You should be tried and convicted as a war criminal.
As I'm often fond of saying, "F*U*C*K the Troops!
If that is your feeling ...
If that is your feeling ... then you should be disemboweled, drawn, quarted, shot and hung. It is because of the troops that you have the freedom to express your opinion.
Is the war illegal? It is a punishable offense to disobey a lawful order. But had you ever served a day in your life you'd know that.
Until you serve please refrain from spewing garbage from the hole at the top of your neck.
This young man had no idea when he enlisted where his career would take him. It changed him forever in how he sees the world. It made him a different person.
And soldiers fight for you and all you can say is F*** the troops? Tell that to all the children who lost Mom, Dad, Aunt, Uncle, Brother, Sister to war and I can guarantee you you will not be welcomed anywhere.
Something seems wrong with the training. Maybe the USA is not used to what it means to occupy a country. While Bush/Cheney are responsible for this atrocious war, I strongly doubt that they would have given this kind of instructions to act. It would be easily traceable and would implicate them directly. To me it seems like military training these days fails to address the issue of how to treat prisoners properly. Or at the very least the lessons didn't sink in.
Where can I find the criticisms of the terrorists? I've been looking all over this site and all that I can find are a bunch of people posting comments about how rotten this country is. No this country is not perfect, and when held up in the light of non-existent utopia, sure it shows flaws. But utopia is a fairy tale and this is still the best country that has come along yet.
F.U.C.K the troops? Really? Seriously? If you feel so strongly then you should act on your feelings and leave. It is a free country. There are no walls keeping you in bro. If there's a better place out there then go. Find your happy place. I guess that the price of freedom for me is having the knowledge that there are idiots like you; taking for granted all of the blessings that you've been given.
free country
this is a free country and weather you like it or not we have the right to say what we want about this country and its military. maybe you should find your happy place or leave or both. if freedom of speach is to much for you to handle find a country with leaders that appreciate blind, dumb, silent followers that think they and their military can do no wrong, no matter what it does as long as they wear an american flag pin on their lappell its ok.
For "normal":
"Where can I find the criticisms of the terrorists?"
And why is it those terrorists exist, with their goals of terrorizing? And why are they targeting certain governments? Don't tell me you're one of those who believes the "they hate our freedom" tripe.
"But utopia is a fairy tale and this is still the best country that has come along yet."
One of the points of criticizing this country is that the wealth and prosperity of this country has all too often come at the expense and detriment of others. Just trace the reasons for current anti-U.S. terrorism and find a few examples of that.
"If you feel so strongly then you should act on your feelings and leave. It is a free country. There are no walls keeping you in bro."
Hilarious.
"taking for granted all of the blessings that you've been given."
You take the foundation of your country for granted. You obviously are convinced that it is not largely founded upon the suffering and destruction of other cultures.
Get real.
You obviously have no grasp of the true history of the USA or the fact that there are other countries treat their citizens like humans not automatons. There are other counties that keep their nose out of other people's business.
Grow up and get a life.
I did leave, so abnormal, IN YOUR FACE!
It's so funny, all Americans that never left their country think that the USA is the greatest country in the world, but all Americans travelling abroad tend to disagree with that.
So, pack your bag, buy a plane ticket to *somewhere* and learn!
fuik deze zeui, als dr 1 de baas is ben ik het.
"F.U.C.K. the Troops" !???! Seriously buddy, if it weren't for the troops you certainly wouldn't even be able to say that and, incidentally, would probably be a "detained" for even thinking it.
So maybe you might want to start thanking the troops instead.
the troops
personally i don't owe the troops a goddamn thing i didn't ask them to go to iraq nor did i or do want them there. i admire them for there service and don't want them to be used in such a political and nonsensical way. those stupid sonsofabitches in the bush administration should every one be tried for war crimes and the murder of hundreds of thousands of iraq's and over four thousand american solders. so stop trying to blow smoke up everybody's ass about our troops.
Kelle) I can understand your wanting to vouchsafe the troops, but do you actually comprehend what you are saying? The Nation founded on Liberty and Freedom has Thought Police that should lock you away in a stinkhole for thinking bad political thoughts? Doesn't that sound like the Gestapo or PKK or the taliban...?
Geneva, you are quick to criticise and a dispassionate soul and need to walk in Ben's shoes for a while before judging him.
DrBones,
Chill out, you are clearly too angry for your own good.
Dr Bones's pu**y, weenie, GEN-X a** needs to BURN IN HELL for ETERNITY, though that's a bit too good for him!
really
REALLY!!! burn in hell FOR ETERNITY,pussy. weenie. do i detect some sexual conotations in that post. personally i'm getting aroused, come on now lets keep the sex talk to a minimum.
How eager today's Americans are to see our soldiers hang and be accused. How readily they would throw them into the fire without a second thought. How painstakingly they split hairs to defend the terrorists or "freedom fighters". The American people of today, particularly the 20 & 30-somethings are truly unworthy of being defended.
It is a war. It's not a nice happy thing. There is no pretty way to do it. So the trick is to stay out of everyone elses country and not start wars. But if we are going to go to a war then people need to understand that these bad things are going to happen. We should bring all the troops back and have them do something worth wile in our country. Send them into bad neighborhods. Fight criminals in citys where the police are strapped and out gunned. Help america not the middle east!
US Torture is just a reflection of the people in general. The same sort of mistreatment takes place in the US prisons, where it is all with the approval of the US public. It is no surprise that the US didn’t prosecute the guilty parties and had a few white wash trials to cover up the country’s sins. The same is the case with the US civilian courts as well, where the legal system is based on corrupt judges and a kangaroo court. The exoneration cases in Florida alone is a good testimony of such corruptions
Extremely well-written story, exhaustively researched. Congrats. Very long, though. The details about Gretchen and so on seem superfluous considering the rest of the content. Generally, it could have been edited back by 1000 words or so. There's only so much "color" detail that's relevant. After that it starts to look over-indulgent.
The troops repress freedom and murder. How is it that my ability to speak freely is dependent on them?
You are one shallow, brainwashed individual. BTW, I served in the USAF in the 80's. We weren't war criminals then.
You shouldn't type on meth or whatever party drug you take.
Defended from WHAT?
Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here?
Are you really that simple in the head?
Defend my from the neo-cons. Then they would have my respect.
TORTURE IS TORTURE. WORKING AT A PRISON CAMP CAN GET YOU ARRESTED 40 YEARS LATER FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. AND JUST BEING A MINOR GUARD IS NO EXCUSE.. WAR CRIMES ARE WAR CRIMES...PUNISHABLE BY HANGING.
@MR-- do you even know what you're talking about? What gives you an intimate understanding of the Quran? By using the Quran as your proof do you seek to justify what happens in Iraq?
Ben should not take "comfort" from that verse. That verse is an insight into the minds of tyrants; Bush, Cheney, and Company.
This isn't something you can blame on human nature as you would have others believe. Torture is not the nature of war. It's the nature of cruelty and oppression, and cowards.
"Redemption comes after you realize your mistake"? Do you really see that in store for the people of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan?
Ben should hang. His decisions were his own, and he volunteered for this 'mission'. He had the balls to torture a 'detainee' (note: detainee
I don't think he should.
I don't think he should. His decisions were made for him the day they pinned his NCO rank on his chest.
He is a leader and he made the right decision when he made complaints but those with much shinier stuff made the decision to ignore. He is one of many that were ordered to do such deeds. He made life easier on himself by complying. He's a computer guy not intel or a MP. He's not at all what you folks are trying to say he is.
He is not a monster. He is a soldier and a leader. He serves his country because he believes that everyone should.
As soon as you decide to live by the idea that "the ends justify the means" you lose the right to be considered civilized. I realize that terrorism is a very complex and horrifying problem, but responding with like for like has never, never solved anything. Torture is torture, no matter who uses it on whom. There are no good guys when it comes to abusing your fellow humans, regardless of ideological or religious or political differences.
While I think the use of torture is absolutely NEVER acceptable and I believe all parties involved need to take full responsibility for their actions (scapegoat or not) - I'm both disturbed and surprised by how many posters have commented that Ben should hang.
These remarks seem to simply highlight a lust for vengeance, a thirst to continue a cycle of violence. There's so much anger on all sides of the issue and it would be an oversimplification of the situation to think of it in black and white. With that mindset, we are one step away from being the guards ourselves.
I would think our goals should not be to seek revenge and take a life for a life, but to seek solutions outside of violence and require the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity to use the rest of their lives to the restoration of civilization through non-violent, non-aggressive, and non-profit means.
to blindly follow orders...sounds like the Holocaust. I have never forgiven Germany for its silent complicity and I will never forgive our own soldiers for theirs.
And as to their leaders. Not worthy of a backward glance.
Torture does not work. Freedom, Liberty, Justice for ALL, Innocent until proven guilty. Do any of these concepts sound familiar to all of you gunho kill brown people "patriots" out there. And to those who think every MP who was complicit should be hung; Let's get the commanders who are responsible for this and punnish people according to their crimes. Innocent until proven guilty (unless you are still a Republican).
Sad to see so many people placing blame on others, and passing judgement without ever being in these soldiers situations. I'm at fault in the regard that I have an opinion that is radical also, but telling someone they shouldn't be given any consolation or berating others for having an opinion that goe against the norm of this tiny thread is just ignorance. Yes, the history upon which this country was flawed, but i'm sure those other countries who "treat their citizens like humans, not automatons" weren't spawned without war, or torture, or sacrifice. Go free speech!
Oustanding post by splende:
"How eager today's Americans are to see our soldiers hang and be accused. How readily they would throw them into the fire without a second thought. How painstakingly they split hairs to defend the terrorists or "freedom fighters". The American people of today, particularly the 20 & 30-somethings are truly unworthy of being defended."
Spot on Splende! Bravo.
God No,
He can remember "All men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights . . . " or
"As you do unto the least of them . . . so you do unto me."
Respectfully, these guys respect for coming forward not consolation for having hurt people because they were just following orders.
I understand that each soldier is responsible for their own actions. At the same time, a greater responsibility is laid on the political leaders who decided to go to war against the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. There are governments that are just as bad (or worse? Myanmar? China?). Is there a link between these conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, the decline in the US Dollar, the rise in oil prices, and Bush's Big Oil interests? How would his request (yesterday?) to open up the US coast for oil-drilling fit into this picture? What did Hamid Karzai (present leader of Afghanistan) do professionally before he was appointed head of the country? Am I seeing a trend or simply creating my own conspiracy?
And while I question myself, it seems apparent that I am often painting many people (soldiers, politicians, Iraqis, etc) with a big brush. Bush is painting the Iranian government one-way. The Iranians are painting Bush (and America) another way. I've been out of America for 18 years, but I still feel that we need to stop swallowing the rhetoric (from both sides) and dig into what's really going on here.
I am against the invasion/occupation of Iraq for a number of reasons, and the inhumane treatment of prisoners is just one more 'bullet' on the list. I think the military got led/shoved into a situation by people with motives that were pure profit, I call it The Mother Of All Snowjobs, I myself was once in an Army uniform, but I've concluded that it's not really that great an institution anymore, fraud, incompetence, no small amount of hubris, and then there's Dick Cheney et. al., yeah, I'm all done being in the service. One thing that's really interesting is how I kept getting these job offers through Careerbuilder to take work in Iraq. Not doing that, either.
The war was about oil. I'll say it again, the war was about oil. We've got oilmen/women in our government today, I think they cooked up quite the sunshine story to facilitate the seizure of Iraq's oilfields, and it kind of blew up in their face, there. The oil-biz itself is fairly crooked to begin with, and, well, it looks like the troops are going to continue to be there for some time. I just hope that Congress reasserts its' lawful authority as a Body to start taking real steps to bring the situation to a close, get our troops out of Iraq and probably some other countries too, and turn our national energies full-force in the direction of energy independence, as well as political reforms such as might be required to prevent a recurrence of Iraq. That's my view.




























