There's Something About Mary: Unmasking a Gun Lobby Mole

Mary McFate was a prominent gun control activist. Mary Lou Sapone was a freelance spy with an NRA connection. They are the same person. A Mother Jones investigation.

Wed July 30, 2008 12:00 AM PST

Though McFate's colleagues viewed her as a friend, some found it strange that they knew virtually nothing about her life outside the movement. She never explained the source of her personal wealth. And Toby Hoover, the executive director of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence and an activist who worked with McFate since the mid-1990s, says, "She never talked about what she had done prior to this work. I didn't even know if she had a husband or kids." Ceasefire New Jersey's Bryan Miller adds, "She doesn't talk about her family. I know nothing about her personal life other than that she lives in Sarasota, Florida. For my closest friends in this movement, who also know Mary, it was a matter of low-level discussion that we didn't know anything about her."

There was good reason for that.

Outside the gun control world, Mary Lou Sapone was, as Mother Jones has previously reported, a for-hire operative who spied on citizens' groups for corporate clients. Property and phone records indicate that the two names belong to the same person. Last week, a reporter for Mother Jones called the Sarasota phone number that McFate had given her gun control allies and asked the woman who answered if she was Mary Lou Sapone. "Yes," she responded. But Sapone then refused to answer any questions about Mary McFate or her work for gun control. She quickly hung up—and did not respond to subsequent calls and emails.

During Sapone's ascent through the ranks of the gun control movement, she worked for the NRA, according to a business associate. In a 2003 deposition, Tim Ward, who had been president of the Maryland-based security firm Beckett Brown International, said that the NRA had been "a client" of Sapone's. (As a subcontractor for BBI, Sapone had planted an operative within an environmental group in Lake Charles, Louisiana.) According to Ward, at his request Sapone had introduced BBI to the NRA in early 1999. And that introduction quickly paid off. Billing records obtained by Mother Jones indicate that between May 1999 and April 2000, the NRA paid BBI nearly $80,000 for various services.

In another 2003 deposition, Jay Bly, a former Secret Service officer who worked for BBI, was asked what type of work the security firm had done for the NRA, and he responded, "Those are very sensitive issues, and I'm just not comfortable going into it. I'm really not." Later in the deposition, Bly said, "I did a number of different things for the NRA in the area of investigation, the area of personal protection, in the area of event security, in the area of intelligence gathering, okay?"

Ward, during his own deposition, explained what a typical BBI intelligence-gathering operation would entail: "We used informants that we would send to public rallies that these people were holding, public demonstrations. These informants developed relationships where they could pick up a phone up and call in to find out where the next event was, where it was going to be held…They are usually very eager to have somebody come and tote banners and scream and shout." According to Bly's testimony, he and Ward continued their intelligence-gathering operations for the NRA after BBI acrimoniously disbanded around 2001 and Ward opened his own security firm, Chesapeake Strategies. (These depositions were taken during a lawsuit filed against former BBI officials by John Dodd, the firm's primary investor.)

In his deposition, Ward identified Sapone's contact at the NRA as Patrick O'Malley. From the late 1990s until 2002, O'Malley was the deputy executive director of the Institute for Legislative Action, the NRA's political arm. And according to billing records from BBI (which in 2000 changed its name to S2I Corporation), O'Malley was BBI's liaison at the NRA. Recent emails indicate that in 2007 and 2008 Sapone was working with O'Malley, who lobbied for the NRA after leaving the ILA and went on to work for a government relations firm retained by his former employer. In recent years, O'Malley has served as the executive director of the Ballot Issues Coalition, an organization composed of hunting-rights groups, including the NRA.

O'Malley did not respond to numerous messages left at his office and home. Asked about Sapone, James Jay Baker, who was executive director of the NRA's ILA when O'Malley was its deputy executive director, says, "I don't have anything to say about any vendors at the NRA." Baker notes, "We got information from whatever sources we can," but he maintains that he was not aware of any infiltration of the gun control movement. Baker, now managing director of Ogilvy Government Relations, a high-powered lobbying shop, is currently registered as a lobbyist for the NRA. (After leaving the NRA in 2002, both O'Malley and Baker joined the Federalist Group, a lobbying firm that was acquired by Ogilvy in 2005.) Contacted repeatedly, the NRA declined to comment on its past or present relationship with Sapone, BBI, or Chesapeake Strategies.

Informed of McFate's true identity, her friends and associates in the gun control community expressed shock and anger. "That astounds me," says Barbara Hohlt. Of McFate's ability to maintain her cover, she adds, "She was very, very good. Everybody knew her for years and trusted her." Brian Malte, director of state legislation at the Brady Campaign, says, "Oh my…Of all the people." Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, remarks, "This is totally bizarre." And she adds, "I would find it hardest to believe this about her. She comes across as kind of dense—or she's putting on a good act."

McFate's (now former) colleagues note that she was well-positioned for many years to provide the NRA—or any other gun rights groups—the plans, secrets, and inside gossip of practically the entire gun violence prevention movement. "She had access to all the legislative strategy for every major issue for years," says Rand. Another gun control advocate who worked with McFate and asked not to be identified recalls, "She was one of those rare people. As a volunteer, she wanted to know more and more about what people were working on." With intelligence gathered by McFate, Ceasefire New Jersey's Miller says, the gun lobby could "learn a lot: what the grassroots of the gun violence prevention movement intended; where our priorities are shifting; which legislation we would be promoting or fighting against and what sort of effort we would be putting into that; who our targeted legislators would be; what states and districts we deemed important enough to put an effort into; our messaging, what our messaging would be before we put it out there."

Hohlt recalled several recent episodes in which McFate maneuvered to place herself in the middle of issues important to the NRA and others in the gun lobby. One occurred this spring, when the London-based International Action Network on Small Arms was trying to persuade American gun control groups to attend a July meeting at the United Nations on small-arms control. (A 2001 UN conference ended up establishing a program weaker than gun control advocates had desired, thanks to the intervention of the Bush administration, which had been lobbied by the NRA.) States United to Prevent Gun Violence had never before been involved with international gun control issues. And to participate in the UN meeting, it had to apply for credentials. Hohlt says McFate pushed her to file for them. Hohlt did so, and McFate ended up being able to learn what the anti-gun forces were planning for the UN session—including the delegates they intended to lobby, and the arguments they would highlight.

McFate also took a keen interest in a gun matter currently under consideration by the Department of the Interior, Hohlt says. At the urging of the gun lobby, the agency has been mulling whether to change its regulations to allow people to carry loaded and concealed guns into national parks under certain circumstances. (At the moment, a gun carried into a national park must be unloaded and kept apart from ammunition.) The National Parks Conservation Association and current and former National Park Service officials have been fighting the proposed rule change. "When Mary heard about this," Hohlt recalls, "she immediately asked to be on the email list [of the opponents] and she also got on the phone calls. So she now knows the strategy of the people trying to fight this." Similarly, when Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group organized by New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, mounted a campaign against the NRA-backed Tiahrt amendment—legislation advanced by Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) and first passed by Congress in 2003 that prevents the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives from sharing gun-tracing data—McFate, according to Hohlt, made certain to participate in conference calls during which strategy for beating back the bill was discussed. "Whenever an issue comes up, she manages to get on the email list," Hohlt says.

The McFate operation, says Miller, "would confirm for me the way that the gun lobby works, which is no rules, no question of fairness or honesty. Anything that they can do they will do to protect the profits of the gun industry." He notes that his organization has experienced low-level attempts at penetration in the past—a pro-gun advocate once posed as a would-be volunteer to get on his group's mailing list—but nothing on this scale.

Get Mother Jones by Email - Free. Like what you're reading? Get the best of MoJo three times a week.
Comments
no profile pic for comment author

Yeah, that's why the VPC needs an FFL to deal in such items. :P

Go to a local pawn shop and have them run the FFL number I posted above through the FFL EZ-Check system and see what pops up.

The VPC holding an FFL and hiding that fact while trying to "crack down" on guns sounds like a helluva lot better story than the one we're commenting on. Dunno about y'all.

no profile pic for comment author

RE: Hitler and dictators.

Thats right, lets bring the conversation down to Hitler because not allowing people to have fully automatic weapons is so fascist. Having a waiting period to buy a handgun is so fascist. Doing background checks on gun buyers to make sure they're not fellons is so fascist.

Blocking such laws though is all about Freedom..... to kill

no profile pic for comment author

The gun control lobby has made every clandestine approach to undermining the Constitution that can be imagined, clear down to changing their names so that they sound like they are supporters of the Constitution.( the second amendment was an unnecessary addition to the Constitution ) The truth about them is and has always been that they believe that disarming honest citizens is somehow going to minimize the use of weapons by criminals and that they, as the promoters of the safer society, are qualified to determine how much liberty a free people are to sacrifice for this imagined extra safety. Live free, people! Join the Whig party!

no profile pic for comment author

Here we go.

Plug this FFL number (Sugarmann's, head of the Violence Policy Center, cited in both this and Bruce Falconer's article)
1-54-000-01-8C-00725

Into this:
https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

And viola! Hypocrisy (and possibly legal issues, since his holding an FFL for business purposes may put the VPC's tax free status at risk) stares you in the face.

no profile pic for comment author

Lindy,

With all that power, you better hope your government is benevolent towards its subjects! The well intentioned Socialist road to hell, we are now traveling, will lead to government that is tyrannical. There is no other outcome. You bet I will try to overthrow a government that pushes away my liberty to this extreme. You are right, I will probably die in such a fight, but I will have nothing but the burden of government to give to my children by then.

no profile pic for comment author

"Guns, guns, guns!" - Clarence Bodikker

no profile pic for comment author

all you nra fanatics, you are just a bunch of losers who hide behind a gun. If the govt decides to, they will kill and your family whether or not you have a gun. I have no problem with trained, responsible folks having guns, per say, i used to use rifles quite often.

However, there must be regulations to keep handguns away from the mentally ill, criminals and excons (and repubs because they are are bat sh_it insane anyway). Get off your self righteous myopic high horses, you just look like complete idiots.

no profile pic for comment author

This flaming liberal Democrat is proud of Mary for what she did. I and other liberals know that gun control is racist, classist, and sexist, and has no place in the Democratic Party. We need more patriotic Americans like Mary.

no profile pic for comment author

you f-ing idiot, do you have a brain in your head? Obviously not. The gun control lobby does NOT want to take the guns of honest responsible, NON CRIMINAL citizens. They do want them out of schools, away from the mentally ill and criminals and excons. WTF is wrong with you repubs thinking that everyone is out to take away your rights, when your own party has done a fine job in 8 years.

Support your rights and civil liberties, vote OBAMA in November.

no profile pic for comment author

RE: yopic High Horses?

How does it get anymore self righteous than the leading anti-gun group, one cited frequently by MoJo in articles, holding a license to deal in firearms as a business while hiding this information from its supporters AND trying to keep other Americans from getting such an FFL?

Check my posts above for proof.

Sorry, if someone tells me that owning a gun or being able to use one in self defense is a bad idea or that no one needs to be a gun dealer, then..well...why the heck would they hold a license to deal guns WHILE operating as a tax free non profit? Keep in mind that having a type 01 FFL (the type their head has) legally binds you to conduct business with that ffl. You must have business hours, must not conduct transactions solely for personal benefit and a slew of other things that make the VPC's "non proft" status questionable at best.

Who is being two faced and self righteous, given that information?

no profile pic for comment author

Of the 7 shootings in DC Monday night, how many were done with legal guns?

no profile pic for comment author

Oh, yeah, the government is really in a position to nuke it's own territory. I suppose they'll assign bomber pilots from Iowa to do Illinois, and visa versa; That will take care of any reservations American troops might have about destroying their own country. Not that it would do anything about the subsequent drop in tax revenues making the government go broke a month later.

I think modern economics and weaponry have made the basic purpose of the 2nd amendment a bit less feasible, but, heck, you could say the same of the 4th and 5th in the face of modern surveillance equipment, and that doesn't implicitly repeal 'em.

no profile pic for comment author

You guys think she is the only one?!?! People who support the RIGHT to bear arms tend to be those who know how to use them too!! So you think she is the only one? OK, you keep thinking that!!!

no profile pic for comment author

The more relevant question would be "When will be the next time?" How ironic that the nut jobs with the same mind-set as the NRA are the ones who brought to power the dirt bags we now have to worry about defending ourselves against. Oh, BTW, why do these people believe that we Liberals don't own guns and don't know how to shoot?

no profile pic for comment author

I support recreational hunting and gun ownership; the gun-control lobby is famous for spreading misinformation too.

But the idea that civilians owning weapons is going to stop the government from becoming totalitarian is downright absurd. That's because totalitarian regimes ARE ALWAYS POPULIST! What keeps us from falling into the same nightmares ourselves is our commitment to freedom AND open public discourse. Regimes become evil when they establish themselves based on deceit and fear, rather than open conversation; not when they out-gun the public.

no profile pic for comment author

I was an early member of the Million Moms, active in Washington, DC. We knew we'd arrived when the NRA began filling our voicemail boxes overnight with the sound of jackboots coming to get us, Thump thump thump, Th-THUMP, which rolled over onto the next number and the next and so forth. I don't remember Mary Lou, but since she came out of Ceasefire New Jersey, where the Number One Mom, Donna Dees-Thomases originated, she was plenty close to the source. The U.S.A. under Bush sort of reminds you of the Soviet Union, doesn't it? the BIG story is Mary Lou's son's being involved in arms shipments, as the REAL story behind the NRA has so very little do with the rights of hunters and gun owners and everything to do with the munitions industries continuing to arm everyone in the world to the teeth, a truth the the American public is kept continually distracted from observing by the Second Amendment true believers, which is the same kind of single issue nuisance as the Right to Quote Unquote Life....These people care NOTHING about life and ONLY about their corporate bottom lines...

no profile pic for comment author

I think that the armed Iraqis have been doing a fairly splendid job of defending themselves against a tyrannical, occupying government.

no profile pic for comment author

RE: Wayne's Mom

Way to use new material. Double post for the win.

no profile pic for comment author

Bad-a$$es will always triumph over do-gooders, because do-gooders are DUMB!

With due respect to The Lord Dark Helmet

no profile pic for comment author

Just shows how lacking in morals the gun lobby are. They want to play with their lethal toys, and don't care what harm their policies wreak on our inner cities. Just compare how many people die from gun crime in the US compared to countries like England. Why won't people wake up.

no profile pic for comment author

["Seven shootings in Washington on Monday night -- three dead."]
This in a place where the lawful possession of operable firearms is limited to the Police.
So tell me how effective disarming law abiding citizens is in preventing these crimes.......

no profile pic for comment author

["I've had an experience of a spy infiltrating a group that I belong to. It was just last month and that gentleman is still in the hosptital. And I put him there. I'd do the same thing to this old broad. These people are bullies and cowards and the only thing they understand is violence. Well the Army trained me well and I'm more than happy to use it.
Posted by:Fed Up"]

So you're a participant in criminal violence then?
One more reason for LAW ABIDING citizens to have the means to defend themselves against criminals.

no profile pic for comment author

Let's see...Sarah Brady bought a long range, high power sniper rifle for her son. Bragged about it in her book.
Sen. Diane Feinststein, a very anti-gun person, has or had a CCW and owned guns, plus has armed guards. Ditto for Sen. E. M. Kennedy (and some of his hired guards were busted in NY for illegal possession of fully automatic weapons). I believe Sen. Schumer has a CCW, and armed guards.

If guns are so evil, then why does just about everyone high in the anti-gun (really, anti-civil rights) industry have guns or thugs with guns? Seems like they should be setting an example by publicly renouncing their right and pledging that they will no longer have guns anywhere around them.

As far as the mole, why is it that leftist moles who infiltrate companies or conservative organizations are praised, but those from conservative groups who infiltrate socialist groups are condemned?

no profile pic for comment author

Good for Mary! These gun control whackjobs are incapable of rational thought. Example, this post, below:

"Seven shootings in Washington on Monday night -- three dead. Possible connection with Supreme Court ruling?"

Makes a lot of sense...to an idiot.

no profile pic for comment author

Wow! NRA Infiltrates anti-American, anti-freedom, neo-Marxist organizations. . . how disgusting!

no profile pic for comment author

["So many idiots; so many guns... Every day children are killed playing with their parents guns - something else the NRA are proud of I guess.
Posted by:It's not important"]

I suggest you campaign against paddling pools, swimming pools & buckets, as "accidental" deaths of children involving these items are many times higher & usually from the same cause: plack of parental supervision.
Or how about deaths caused by motor vehicles?
Now THERE'S a preventable cause of many children's deaths that is many times higher than those caused by firearms.

no profile pic for comment author

Mary Lou Sapone is a heroine who should be honored by those who value thier constitutional freedoms. Thank you for highlighting her her brave and important work, and rest assured I will spread news of her greatc works to all those who treasure thier rights as Americans.

no profile pic for comment author

McFate was working for the government.

NRA = Not Really America

no profile pic for comment author

["McFate was working for the government.

NRA = Not Really America"]

Ah; a conspiracy theorist!

The reason the NRA is the most powerful non industry, lobbying organisation in the US is because so many citizens SUPPORT its actions.
That's called Democracy, or don't you believe in the principle?

no profile pic for comment author

Hey Lindy,

This retired First Sergeant Paratrooper recalls kicking in doors in beautiful sunny Haiti and confiscating arsenals from the thugs living on the hills overlooking the lovely putrid city of Port-au-Prince. Remember this after the most ethical administration decided to enact a totally unconstitutional law banning "military style assault weapons." After the confiscated arsenals were turned over to the MPs, we NCO's and Officers asked, "Is this a dry run for operations against Americans?" We all to a man and woman sworn to up-hold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic stated, "That would be an illegal order and we could refuse to carry it out." AIRBORNE!

no profile pic for comment author

The Iraqis were all packing AK-47's under Saddam, and the US too. Guess they were a democracy all along!

no profile pic for comment author

["all you nra fanatics, you are just a bunch of losers who hide behind a gun. If the govt decides to, they will kill and your family whether or not you have a gun. I have no problem with trained, responsible folks having guns, per say, i used to use rifles quite often.

However, there must be regulations to keep handguns away from the mentally ill, criminals and excons (and repubs because they are are bat sh_it insane anyway). Get off your self righteous myopic high horses, you just look like complete idiots.
Posted by:nra sucks ballz

So you advocate the restrictions of citizens' Rights according to their political allegiance?

How very National Socialist of you....

I suggest you explore some of the 20,000+ laws regulating firearms in the US: There are more than enough aimed at preventing felons & the insane from having firearms.

no profile pic for comment author

["you f-ing idiot, do you have a brain in your head? Obviously not. The gun control lobby does NOT want to take the guns of honest responsible, NON CRIMINAL citizens. They do want them out of schools, away from the mentally ill and criminals and excons. WTF is wrong with you repubs thinking that everyone is out to take away your rights, when your own party has done a fine job in 8 years.

Support your rights and civil liberties, vote OBAMA in November.
Posted by:nra sucks my ballz"]

I suggest you read some of the hyperbole & overstated rhetoric used by the VPC & other anti 2nd Amendment groups if you believe they don't want to disarm EVERYONE.

How about doyen of the VPC, Carolyn McCarthy's "Mr & Mrs America, turn them all in" statement on firearms.

Dear boy: PLEASE do some research before pontificating upon a subject on which you patently have little, if any knowledge.

no profile pic for comment author

I cheered when, during the "Rodney King" Riots, the citizens of Korean decent, brought out firearms to shoot at the Democratic Party Racist Thugs who came out of "The Party's" inner sanctums,to kill and burn the Korean businesses.

Thank you NRA for sticking up for our Civil Rights!

no profile pic for comment author

Do a little research on what the Mujahideen did to the Soviet army in Afghanistan for over 10 years with their "pop guns."

While you're at it, why not read the Bill of Rights. We'd all be up in arms (pun intended) if our posts were covered with "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(TEXT CENSORED BY U.S. GOVT.)" yet to deny a fellow citizens natural right to self defense is somehow alright?

Think about it.

no profile pic for comment author

["Just shows how lacking in morals the gun lobby are. They want to play with their lethal toys, and don't care what harm their policies wreak on our inner cities. Just compare how many people die from gun crime in the US compared to countries like England. Why won't people wake up.
Posted by:John"]

I'm well qualified to reply to this, as I'm English & live in the UK.

We have DOUBLE the violent crime rate of the US & FOUR TIMES the number of "hot" home invasions on a pro rata basis.

IF banning the lawful possession of handguns is a such a good idea, then why do we see so many shootings using them in the UK?

I throw down a challenge to all the liberals here:
Show me what YOUR policies have done to reduce violence amongst those who support you - the dispossessed, the indigent, those living in inner city ghettoes, drug addicts, illegal immigrants & all the other proponents of the welfare state.

OK; don't bother, because you've done a big fat zero.

no profile pic for comment author

The whole issue is a complete and utter joke. If you don't believe me, go pick up a copy of Guns and Ammo sometime, and just casually flip through and see what they're selling these days. The firearms industry is a 'booming' business to be in, and it won't go away anytime soon, and they'll sell the stuff to just about anybody with 300 bucks and a pulse, so....

no profile pic for comment author

Lot of hate in this world.

no profile pic for comment author

["The whole issue is a complete and utter joke. If you don't believe me, go pick up a copy of Guns and Ammo sometime, and just casually flip through and see what they're selling these days. The firearms industry is a 'booming' business to be in, and it won't go away anytime soon, and they'll sell the stuff to just about anybody with 300 bucks and a pulse, so....
Posted by:Bert"]

I guess you don't know what a NICS check is, or a Form 4473.

One thing firearms owners DON'T want is violent criminals & mentally unstable citizens having access to guns.

no profile pic for comment author

"When was the last time civilians with guns won their "freedom" from a tyranical government?"

In the US, Battle of Athens TN, 1946. Google it.

Local officals took control of the county government. The NYT went nuts back then.

And if you count Cuba and the South American governments, and Darfur, quite recently :)

no profile pic for comment author

Thanks God there are true patriots around like Mary Lou!

no profile pic for comment author

Hey, alls fair in Love and War..and that is exactly what this is, a War for our god-given freedom. Gun control advocates would not flinch for a moment to use force, the force of a tyranical government to disarm us, they would in fact advocate killing any gun owner unwilling to lay down their arms..in the name of peace and safety..what a crock

no profile pic for comment author

To better understand the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution it is helpful to consider how almost every reasonable person would interpret this amendment if it did not involve something which is considered controversial or politically incorrect by some and idolized by others. Arms in the possession of ordinary citizens meet both criteria. Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that the Second Amendment dealt with books, not arms or weapons, and read like this: "A well educated electorate, being necessary to the maintenance of a free State, the right of the people to own and read books, shall not be infringed." Does anyone really believe that liberals would claim that only people who were eligible to vote should be allowed to buy and read books? Or that a person should have to have voted in the last election before the government would permit him or her to buy a book? Would the importation of books be banned if they did not meet an "educational purpose" test? Would some States limit citizens to buying "one book a month"? Would inflammatory "assault books" be banned in California?

Emotion in Reading:

The meaning of the Second Amendment becomes quite clear if one removes the emotional "gun" issue. Let's re-state the 2nd in another context:

A well educated electorate, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books, shall not be infringed.

If this were the law, would only educated people have the right to keep books? Or, would only the voting electorate be allowed to read? Of course not. All the people would have the right to keep and read books, and the state would benefit by having a more educated electorate.

There is NO requirement to be a member of a Militia to have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms. However, the more people who DO, the better the security of the state.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right. [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

no profile pic for comment author

Human nature doesn't change. If a society bans possession of weapons they are leaving not only the society as a whole but also individuals vulnerable to all sorts of bad actions by others. Part of being safe is feeling safe.

Moreover, gun control doesn't work. If it did Washington DC wouldn't be one of the most violent cities in the country.

no profile pic for comment author

What happened after that? People with weak arguments invoked Hitler and hoped no one noticed.

no profile pic for comment author

in a tyrannical government you are bound to have 'boots on the ground'. bombers and most tanks are of little use in urban warfare. cities are where you would likely meet resistance if you were a tyrant.

no profile pic for comment author

You go Mary! Take down them liberals from the inside! JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE TO US BY INFILTRATING EVERY FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY!

no profile pic for comment author

"Since concealed carry permits prevent the criminal from knowing who is armed and who is not, those who are not armed benefit from the general deterrent effect as criminals choose non-confrontational crime rather than risk being shot." - Dangerous Women: Feminism, Self Defense and Civil Rights - Robert L. Barrow and Dr. Gary Mauser

Why are gun-grabbers so sexist?

no profile pic for comment author

The NRA has over 4 million dues paying members, and has democratically elected officers. The gun control cabal has 100, maybe 1000 members, and has a politburo style leadership structure, with financing not from members but from the likes of George Soros and the Joyce foundation.

From the third episode of the PBS series "The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow", which chronicles the years from 1917 to 1940: "The NAACP played a major role in civil rights during this time. While Du Bois urged Blacks to fight for their rights, NAACP Executive Secretary Walter White posed as a white man to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan, and Charles Hamilton Houston, the NAACP's first chief counsel, fought battles in the courts to lay the foundation for the historic Brown v. Board of Education case."

I think the analogy of the NRA to the NAACP is clear. Both organizations were fighting extremist groups attempting to suppress the civil rights of their members.

Racists in America no doubt felt that what Walter White did was unfair to the Klan.

no profile pic for comment author

Gun Control isn't about Guns. It's about control.

And do they think they just sent in ONE?

BWHAHAHAHAHA

Post a comment
Alternately, you may login to or register an account
The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <ul> <ol> <li> <blockquote> <img>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.

More information about formatting options


Jail.org - Inmate Search
Criminal records, instant public records & people search & current court records. www.jail.org

U.S. Public Records Search
Search County & State Court Records, Criminal records, Vital and Adoption Records www.PublicRecordsInfo.com

Records.com - People Search
Public Records and Background Checks. Instantly Search Criminal Records, Addresses and Court Records www.Records.com

Court Records & County Records
Find Instant Public Records, Criminal Records as Well as County Property Records Search. www.PublicRecordsIndex.com

Mother Jones Podcast
Get in on the conversation! We talk about culture, politics, the environment, the economy and more. Listen now!

TalkBackTees.com
A treasure trove of liberal wit, wisdom and quotations, from ancient to modern, on colorful, cotton tees.

Support Independent Artists
Amazing art, crafts, apparel, paper-goods and more. A carefully curated selection of sundries since 1999.

FREE CONNECTIONS FOR GREEN SINGLES
Meet progressive singles in the environmental, vegetarian & animal rights community who share your values