The Problem With a Special Prosecutor
Want the truth on torture? A Patrick Fitzgerald-style investigation may be the wrong way to go.
The other day I ran into a Democratic member of the House of Representatives, and this person noted that he fancied the idea of appointing a special prosecutor to probe the Bush administration's use of harsh interrogation tactics, a.k.a. torture. He noted that he even thought there was a chance that Attorney General Eric Holder might do so.
"That's not necessarily a good idea," I said. His eyes widened, and he asked why.
"Patrick Fitzgerald," I replied.
Fitzgerald, of course, was the tough and relentless US attorney who was named special prosecutor to investigate the CIA leak case. He spent years on that beat, trying to determine who in the Bush administration had done what relating to the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson's classified CIA identity. He investigated forcefully and thoroughly, and he ultimately prosecuted Scooter Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, for having lied to the FBI and a grand jury about his actions in this affair. Fitzgerald mounted a strong case against Libby and won a conviction and a tough prison sentence--which President George W. Bush subsequently commuted.
A host of liberals yearn for a Fitzgerald-like prosecutor to hit the torture trail--to investigate whether any Bush administration officials violated anti-torture laws, or conspired to do so. MoveOn has asked its members to urge Holder to set up a special prosecutor, and it has organized a petition drive. In a letter to its members, the group says:
So far there's been no accountability for the architects of Bush's torture program -- the top officials who justified keeping detainees awake for 11 days straight, waterboarding them repeatedly, and forcing prisoners into coffin-like boxes with insects. We need real consequences for those responsible -- it's the only way to keep this from happening again.
Democrats.com has a similar petition for Holder. The Center for Constitutional Rights has called for a special prosecutor. So have the American Civil Liberties Union and Firedoglake.com. Constitutional law professor and talking head Jonathan Turley said that appointing a special prosecutor was "long overdue." Representative Jerry Nadler (D-NY), who chairs the House subcommittee on the constitution, has demanded that Holder hire a special prosecutor. And Representative John Conyers, who chairs the House judiciary committee, has requested a special prosecutor who would investigate not merely interrogation practices but the Bush administration's use of extraordinary rendition and warrantless wiretaps.
These liberals all want to see alleged Bush administration wrongdoing exposed. But there's one problem with a special prosecutor: it's not his job to expose wrongdoing. A special prosecutor does dig up facts--but only in order to prosecute a possible crime. His mission is not to shine light on misdeeds, unless it is part of a prosecution. In many cases, a prosecutor's investigation does not produce any prosecutions. Sometimes, it leads only to a limited prosecution.
That's what happened with Patrick Fitzgerald. He could not share with the public all that he had discovered about the involvement of Bush, Cheney, Karl Rove, and other officials in the CIA leak case. Under the rules governing federal criminal investigations, he was permitted to disclose only information and evidence that was directly related and needed for the indictment and prosecution of Libby. Everything else he had unearthed via subpoenas and grand jury interviews had to remain secret. Repeatedly, Fitzgerald said that his hands were tied on this point. A special prosecutor, it turns out, is a rather imperfect vehicle for revealing the full truth.
Once upon a time, Washington did have independent counsels. This was a special kind of special prosecutor. Under the law creating that position, these investigator/prosecutors were compelled to release a final report explaining their findings and their decisions to prosecute or not prosecute. These reports--such as the one produced by Iran/contra independent counsel Lawrence Walsh--tended to be lengthy and exhaustive. They extensively explained the scandals that had been investigated. The actions of people not prosecuted were fully explored and explained. Several independent counsel reports were masterful accounts of government improbity.
That was then. The independent counsel statute expired years ago, with neither Republicans nor Democrats complaining. That was because Republicans had hated Walsh. And Democrats had soured on independent counsels, thanks to a fellow named Kenneth Starr.
During the Fitzgerald investigation, some commentators wondered if he could be authorized to produce a public summation of his findings. Fitzgerald, though, showed no appetite for doing so. And no one with clout in Washington (certainly no one in the Bush-Cheney White House) pushed to grant him such authority. It remains unclear--perhaps even doubtful--if such a task could be assigned to a special prosecutor examining torture. Moreover, in Fitzgerald's case, the very existence of his criminal investigation took pressure off Congress and the White House to conduct a probe of the CIA leak that could yield a public report. Whenever a special prosecutor is at work, it offers people who don't desire a complete public accounting to argue, "An investigation is already under way, and we don't want to do anything to jeopardize that ongoing criminal inquiry."
In deciding what prosecutions he could bring, Fitzgerald faced severe legal difficulties. To charge anyone under the law prohibiting government officials from disclosing identifying information about an undercover intelligence officer, he had to be able to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the official had been aware that the intelligence officer was working under a classified identity. Valerie Plame Wilson had indeed been operating under cover. But proving that Rove or others involved in the leak had definitely known of Valerie Wilson's classified status was a high hurdle for Fitzgerald, and in the end he concluded he could not clear it. Thus, his entire probe produced only that one narrow case against Libby.
Prosecuting government officials for providing legal opinions that greenlighted waterboarding and the like would pose its own legal challenges. Could a government prosecutor indict the government lawyers who composed and signed the torture memos for aiding and abetting torture without indicting the government employees who actually committed the torture? (President Barack Obama has pledged that the interrogators will not be pursued.) And could a prosecutor win cases in which his targets would obviously argue that they were providing what they believed was good-faith legal advice, even if it turned out that their advice was wrong? (Emails from the Bush-Cheney White House to the Justice Department instructing the lawyers to find a way to drape legality over questionable interrogation techniques--if such emails exist--would help any prosecution.) Several lawyers I've consulted have said that a criminal case against the authors of these memos would be no slam dunk. One possible scenario is that a special prosecutor would investigate, find out that sordid maneuvering occurred at the highest levels of the Bush-Cheney administration, and then conclude that he or she did not have a strong enough legal case to warrant criminal indictments and trials.
The bottom line: Anyone who wants the full truth to come out about the Bush-Cheney administration's use of these interrogation practices cannot count on a special prosecutor.
There are other vehicles: mainly, Congress and/or an independent commission. The Senate intelligence committee, under the leadership of Senator Dianne Feinstein, is already conducting a probe. But there is no telling what information it will make public via hearings or a final report. Traditionally, the congressional intelligence committees have been overly sensitive--or far too deferential--to the secrecy demands of the intelligence agencies they are supposed to oversee. And congressional investigations of hot-button topics, as Obama has recently noted, do tend to become political mud-wrestling matches. (The Senate intelligence committee's examination of the Bush administration's use of the prewar intelligence about WMDs in Iraq turned into a mess.)
A well-managed and thorough congressional investigation that placed a premium on public disclosure could serve the public need for accountability. So could an independent commission. Several human rights groups--including Amnesty International, Human Rights First, Human Rights Watch, and the Center for Victims of Torture--have asked Obama to establish an independent nonpartisan commission that would examine the torture and abuse of detainees and issue a public report.
But Obama doesn't seem keen on this. Last Tuesday, Obama said that he believed a commission with "independent participants who are above reproach and have credibility" would likely be a better choice than a congressional inquiry because "the typical hearing process...can sometimes break down...along party lines." But he noted, "I'm not suggesting that [a commission] should be done." Three days later, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked if the Obama administration would rather not see an independent commission, and Gibbs said that Obama believes "that the release of the memos are not a time for retribution but to reflect on what happened and that we're all best suited looking forward." He added that Obama had concluded that "the concept [of a 9/11-like commission] didn't seem altogether workable in this case." That is, a commission, no, thank you.
With Obama not willing to press for a commission, that leaves Congress to do so. The 9/11 commission was set up by Congress, essentially over the objections of the Bush-Cheney White House. (Senator Joe Lieberman introduce the legislation that established the commission; Senator John McCain was a cosponsor.) But no one in the current Democratic leadership of either the House or the Senate is pushing for an independent commission to study the Bush administration's interrogation techniques. Nor have they embraced Senator Patrick Leahy's proposal for a "truth commission" that would examine torture and other controversies.
With congressional leaders mostly mum on the commission idea and with the Senate intelligence committee pursuing a quiet probe with no guarantee of full public disclosure, it's no wonder that some liberals are pushing for a special prosecutor. But they ought to keep a mind a special prosecutor is foremost a crime-chaser--which may indeed be needed in this instance--not an exposer of wrongdoing. And in Washington, justice and truth can sometimes be two very different things.
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The Truth
is in short supply these past few years of Bush Administration, and this president has a unique opportunity to shed some much needed sunlight on the crimes of the former administration while keeping his office "above the fray".
Congress will be stonewalled by partisan maneuvering, it makes no sense to have the process dumbed down and dragged through the next 4+ years with no tangible results.
The best way to get this done is to allow a few investigative reporters access to vital documents that may incriminate or exonerate the former administration.
These reporters should be a mix of newsprint, news blogs, and television. Imagine the reaction from the legal community if Stone Phillips were to report from Rockefeller Plaza details of signed memorandum proving the Bush Administration not only supported "harsh interrogation" but had lawyers draw up documents in an attempt to provide legal cover for what they knew to be torture.
Imagine Fox News ignoring the story until it got so big they had to report on it just to maintain a shred of integrity.
Then, in reaction to public criticism, the Obama Administration will be "forced" to act in accordance with the evidence and order Congress to hold hearings on the legality of John Yoo's "opinion".
The hearings could include the Constitutional impact of warrantless wire taps, Scooter Libby's actions outside of his testimony and perjury, Valerie Plame could testify to Congress . . . the entire Bush criminal enterprise could be exposed.
Yeah right, I know... but a guy can dream, can't he?
Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807
II am no fan of the Bush
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I am no fan of the Bush administration or the last 8 years. The Bush Administration's decision to invade Iraq will continue to be the greatest economic and military blunder in American history. But right now I am more suspicious of what this new Administration brings to the American people in the name of "Change".
What the Democrats tout as an investigation is actually hubris. Continuing down this path will bring fatal retribution to those that continue to call for heads. Leahy, Nadler, and Holder had better be damn careful. Sooner of later the pendulum will begin swinging the other way and when it does these sycophants will get their so richly deserved comeuppance.
"Richly deserved comeuppance" ?
I don't understand what you are saying. The way this reads , You are not a fan of Bush but these mentioned are syncophants? Not syncophants of Bush? Damn careful of what? Careful Of what you might be able to pull?
Try Again
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I can understand why you might find my comments some what confusing. Maybe I should have said "careful boys...you might find yourselves in a similar situation someday". Just ask Elliot Spitzer about how the "wages of sin" and the pit falls of being a self-righteous, self-absorbed zealot have affected his life. Besides it's all show anyway. Gives them something to do.
As much as I dislike Republicans, I loath Democrats of any variety. Leahy and Nadler are of particular interest. Both perpetuate the very problems that they profess to rail against. They are both overpaid, over privileged, and totally useless. Nadler (fat slob that he is) should keep his pie hole shut. Especially when talking about Limbaugh. At least Rush has style and a brain. Where as Leahy is just bent and should be serving time in Leavenworth.
Not that I have an opinion.
Mars Bondfire
I have yet to hear Limbaugh
I have yet to hear Limbaugh have a valid argument (that is one where he doesn't yell over his opponent so that the audience cannot hear their main points). He hangs up on people when he's afraid he'll lose the argument. That and he's a drug addict. Go figure. Sure, he has a brain, but what of it? If you can't have a nuanced argument, it's not being fully used.
Like we're afraid of those
Like we're afraid of those guys being prosecuted. At least they're doing their jobs in this one case, trying to pursue justice. Bush was way over the line. Had he had an affair, I wouldn't bat an eye. Demanding torture to give reasons to a war he had been wanting to have...well now...he lied to us, he gave us completely invalid reasons for going to war, he used mass hysteria to short circuit the process. His methods were completely wrong, and there's no way the wheels of justice will fail to turn here. Regardless of the particular agents of that justice, it will be done.
Speaking of sycophants...
As I recall, your team employed a special investigator against and impeached Clinton over sexual indiscretion. But your team's torture, criminal conduct, and degradation of the Constitution is okay? Just who's showing hubris, here?
Great idea. Instead of
Great idea. Instead of investigating the crime of torture in an impartial manner we need to politicize the issue in the most partisan way.
Here's an idea: Investigate and prosecute the crime(a crime is a crime is a crime) while at the same time thoroughly investigating, reporting, and holding hearings about the facts of the case without jeopardizing the special prosecutors case.
If only there were reporters, editors, and Congresspeople in America who were courageous and talented enough to do their jobs like they are supposed to do them.
Strange
It is kinda weird that Osama bin Laden is still walking around out there and now we want to go after Bush and Cheney. Still, can't you just see the future? Every president can now arrest the people who was there before them. Only the baby boomers could possibly turn that into a reality. Is there any other tradition they would like to turn upside down? We will be just another third world nation when they are done. It is things like this the feeds into " The Conservative Reconstruction Project" and makes it grow and grow. The next generation has just about enough of this kind of madness. Constant scandal and turgid self importance surrounds this crowd.
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The violations of our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions -.- the dis-regard for the people - illegal renditions - illegal wiretaps - abisive use of the secrecy act...
What explanation is there for re-classifing his fathers documents AFTER THERE WERE DE-CLASSIFIED - & - those of Ronald Reagan -
STATE SECRET ?.?.? OR HIDING TRUTH.........SECRET BREIFINGS (Cheney on Energy - or Bush's breifing Congress on the use of torture in a classified meeting - to prevent his foes from making it public)
The United States is a Country Of Law ( where no-one is above it ) TRUTH - JUSTICE - is the American way
Everybody who goes to court "swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" NOT HIDE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE - NOT DECEIVE THE PEOPLE WITH LIES AND HALF TRUTHS.
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..Our standings in the world were damaged enough by Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and a total, complete investigation is called for - if for no other reason than to restore our respectful place in the world
REPEAL THE SECRECY ACT and let the chips fall where they may -.- T R U T H
WE the PEOPLE - the shh secret in Washington
If Bush had really been
If Bush had really been concerned about Bin Laden, then Bin Laden would be dead by now. A guy hiding in a hole posed no problem, why do you think that a guy who moves around a lot wouldn't be found? I bet you I could find and kill Bin Laden, given a month. Who's really the enemy of the state here? I find the entire spectrum of Bush actions far more threatening than the actions of a deranged religious group to take down a few buildings.
Correct Terminology
To hasten the process of truth-telling, I suggest that we drop the euphemism "waterboarding" and replace it with the term "water torture". That's what they called it when the Spanish Inquisition and Pol Pot did it.
Not only is the phrase "water torture" technically valid and historically correct, it is also legally accurate and morally defensible.
The Problem With a Special Prosecutor
Let us not forget that prosecutors cannot indict.
Only a grand jury can.
Let us not forget that prosecutors cannot find anyone guilty.
Only a petite jury can.
Fitzgerald did not overdo it because he didn't even indict Rove or Cheney.
Time to fill the jury box with fair jurors and then move on: http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/holder-your-horses.html
torture by any other name
i'm afraid i must agree with mr. corn; when we remember the valerie plame investigation outcome, and "sand in the face of the umpire" mr. corn makes a strong case.
we investigated watergate and iran/contra. there needs to be some kind of investigation and assurance this will not happen again the next time (and they will) the good ol' "we pander to your fears, prejudices and ignorance" gop gets in power. for surely as God made little green apples (just as the abuses cheney learned from watergate) it will come back!
Double-Standard free-pass for the GOP/Money-Party/Authoritarians
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Great commentary about the technical difficulties of getting to the bottom of the Bush administration's Torture scandals.... EXCEPT that it fails to see the bigger picture, that there is one standard for Republican/GOP prosecution of "justice" as they see it - always on behalf of AUTHORITARIAN impulses & the Money Party - adn the Democrats' appalling tendency to not stand for anything, except when they are a weak echo of the Republican's authoritarian tendencies.
There are THOUSANDS of examples in past 15 years, but far & away the most important was NOT ONE "Democrat" SENATOR agreeing to sign on to the Black Congressional Caucus request for a SIMPLE __Congressional Investigation__ into (what we now know was) rampant voter disenfranchisement in Jeb Bush & Katherine Harris' 2000 Florida presidential elections count. Since 90%+ of Dem. office-holders won their elections (only) by appealing to minority votes, this was (in my estimations) one of the great betrayals of history. (And, in my estimation, Senator Paul Wellstone defering to VP Gore and the "Democrat" "leadership" in NOT signing the Black CC's request for a simple Senate signature, cost him his life 2 years later, when Wellstone was THE ONE politician in America with the conviction and political heft to potentially derail Cheney-Bush-PNAC's precious, looming, invasion of Iraq - Wellstone of course dying iin a "mysterious" airplane accident as he was cruising to an easy re-election win, despite the biggest mud-fest the Rove-Cheney-Bush-COLEMAN GOP could throw against him.)
More to the point THIS VIDEO
http://www.politicalprosecutions.org/
shows just how THOROUGHLY, ENERGETICALLY, and RELENTLESSLY REPUBLICANS will use EVERY AVENUE of the "criminal justice" and POLITICAL GOVERNMENT to harrass, undermine, and intimidate ANY opposition leaders who stand in their way.
As the disturbing video illustrates, Alabama Governor Don Siegelman was not the only Democratic office-holder charged with vague and technical "corruption" charges immediately before election - if the video is to be believed, OVER 2,500 _Democrat_ office-holders faced SIMILAR prosecutorial JIHADS... all of which saw the _political_ defendants arraigned ONLY in courts with REPUBLICAN FEDERALIST SOCIETY JUDGES, and where proseuctors RELENTLESSLY engaged in TAG-TEAM INVESTIGATIONS against ANYONE even tangentially associated with their primary political target. This relentless, partisan, tag-team federal prosecutions, at the hands of Federalist Society (Republican) proseuctors under Federalist Society judges, forced defendants to PLEAD GUILTY to lesser charges, in order to avoid having their children taken away by the courts with the threat of long prison sentences should they demand trial by jury. In addition, ALL the Defendants were SYSTEMATICALLY DRIVEN TO BANKRUPTCY - EXHAUSTING their legal support - before the Republican prosecutors offered their "plead guilty and it will all be over" deals.
Near as I can tell, these stories - this video - comports with the pattern of KARL ROVE _USING police, prosecutors, and judges_ to HARASS his political enemies, from planting a "bug" in his own office and making scandalous accustions against his client's opponet in early 1990s, to present. And, apparently, the vast majority of these cases are TECHNICALITIES and trumped-up charges.... as for example, the way the same Republican prosecutors obtained the conviction of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. (Which the video explains was a successful attempt to focus attention AWAY from the serial prosecutions of DEMOCRATIC officials.)
The most important aspect, Republicans can CREATE A FULL COURT PRESS, on ANY issue, against ANY official they want - even switching a FINANCIAL investigation of President Clinton, into a "HE SAID, SHE SAID" Monica-impeachment of President Clinton, simply by tag-team outrage, coordinated congressional-private-DOJ prosecutions, and a steady media drumbeat.
Meanwhile, the cowering Democrats, who take their campaign donations from THE SAME K. Street lobbyists who fund the GOP, (and complicit DC press corpse) can't even make hay of CONVICTED BRIBER of Congress JACK ABMAMOFF's MANY VISITS and calls to the Bush White House!
In short, America only has THE APPEARANCE of "Liberty AND JUSTICE FOR ALL."
There is one standard for the Authoritarian Money Party (sacrificial victims like Ted Stevens notwithstanding), and a whole different, far harsher standard for Matha Stewart, Don Siegelman, Webb Hubbell, and DOZENS of Democratic officeholders prosecuted under Rove-Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey's "Justice" Dept.
Does anyone remember what WEB HUBBELL was CONVICTED for ???
- ans: "OVERBILLING CLIENTS" !!!
By THAT standard, EVERY SINGLE BIG BANK should see DOZENS of their executives behind bars, for far longer than Hubbell had to spend there!! "
I agree with most of your
I agree with most of your comments, except for Ted Stevens. Please don't bring that guy up, he was a frigging idiot. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth on the subject. Everyone knows what his name is now from his famous Internets speech. What was he doing? He was pandering for the communications companies to try to keep the government from applying any more standards to them, and to help them keep the prices high.
So he got prosecuted for corruption down the road. Had he not actually taken bribes and let that company do his house for free, he'd have no problem.
Legal or not?
It seems that a special investigator given broad enough power to discover the thinking behind the "memo authors" of such "creative" opinions, and exactly when these "opinions" were written (before Iraq, to justify the invasion) are exactly what is needed! This is not a partisan issue - either what they did was legal in which case the soldiers that were prosecuted for being "bad apples" should be released because after all they were just following orders, or these memos are illegal (violating both US and international laws) in which case the lawyers should be disbarred and administrators within the Bush mis-Administration should be charged much as those soldiers (who were just following orders)!
In the Matter of Ken Starr - not only were his powers broad they did appear to shift like the waters! What this really is, is do we as Americans believe that America is a nation ruled by laws and no one is above them, or do we believe that "our politicians" should not be made to live by the laws everyone else has too! There is no proof that the use of torture helped to stave off or prevent another attack! There is proof however, that far too many Americans were willing to trade their civil liberty for the "illusion of safety", that "the facts were manipulated" so as to take us into a nation that had nothing to do with 9-11, and that if we as a nation do not confront this insanity now, the next time - we really will have hell to pay!
The Abu Ghraib case sickened
The Abu Ghraib case sickened me. Here you have two SPs prosecuted for...what exactly were they prosecuted for? Was it an immoral affair, or were they being blamed for all the prisoner abuse? There you have the administration unabashedly lying through their teeth about the few bad apples. Obviously, those two had problems. Those weren't problems that would be met with prison sentences. No, that administration that lied to us knew exactly what was going on, had crafted every single one of those techniques, were paying psychologists $1000 a day, had hand-picked lawyers they knew would tell them what they wanted to here, had put an inexperienced Attorney General in place who would tell them what they wanted to hear, ignored ALL the military branches top lawyers advice (among others) in favor of those inexperienced and hand-picked lawyers, were constantly spreading these abusive practices further and further, and had gone out of their way to find those techniques and give them whatever aura of authority they could. In short, these guys were straight up criminals and thugs who at every opportunity threatened our democracy, made our country less safe by manufacturing more hate and fear, closed government off from the public, threatened our constitutional rights, short-circuited the judicial system, broke international treaties, etc.
That's what I know without even having to dig that much. Should I dig further, I fear I will find more examples of vote fraud (by the manipulation of electronic voting machines at the production end - making sure to include ways to manipulate it, bribing the manufacturers, selling votes to foreign countries like China), many instances of assassinations of convenience (like the guy mentioned above who's plane went down under suspicious circumstances), many more examples of renditions, kidnapping of Americans, and many cases of their friend's companies in Iraq and Afghanistan holding employees with information against their will (including rape, etc), further proof and examples of export of prisoners to Uzbekistan for the worst sort of torture on the planet - to die under torture...
I could keep going. These crimes cannot go unanswered. These men must die.
to the contrary
I know that there's a movement to back Leahy's "Truth Commission." Such a stand is becoming fashionable among Democrats.
But that's the kiss of death. Once it's assigned to a committee, we'll neither get light on the matter nor justice. The call for bi-partisanship will water down or nullify all findings, and the entire criminal matter becomes a political side show.
Contrary to Bushian precepts, the Justice Department is to be apolitical. That's the only way to get at a fair assessment of the criminality involved. If there is no criminality, there's little sense in investing so much political capital just to "shed light." We've seen enough. We know what happened. I need no more light. I need justice.
Either laws were violated or they were not. If they were and circumstances justified breaking those laws, the courts will sort that all out and show mercy on the perpetrators accordingly.
Short of that, we may just as well admit that despite our illusory overinflated self-image, some people truly are above the law in America.
As it stands, future Presidents can trust that no matter how egregious their behavior, they have an entire deck fo "get out of jail free" cards. Laws, like taxes, are only for the little guy.
Torture
Investigate. Prosecute. Punish.
Torture is a crime.
Rule of Law is the foundation of civilized society.
The Problem With a Special Prosecutor, Not soon enough!
The day Cheney and his brother Karl Rove and gang are sent to jail for War Crimes is the day I will feel safe in my in Country. These people continue to get rich even after all the damage they have done to our Country financial and morally, there is no shame with people of that Ilk! Jail will not come sooner enought for these people.!
Interesting points...
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But there is a very, exceedingly simple response to one of your points.
"Prosecuting government officials for providing legal opinions that greenlighted waterboarding and the like would pose its own legal challenges. Could a government prosecutor indict the government lawyers who composed and signed the torture memos for aiding and abetting torture without indicting the government employees who actually committed the torture?"
Yes. President Obama could pardon them.
They have brought back the
They have brought back the Tea Party; maybe it is time for us to start hosting some tar and feather parties. The government is supposed to be the nexus of the people's will; I say we cut out the middle-man when he proves to be impotent...
justice?
There is nothing a special prosecutor appointed by a republican will not expose, no political skeletons he wont expose, no filthy language he wont use. These people are the scum of the earth. Burn them down for good, never to rise from the ashes again.
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