Is AIPAC Still the Chosen One?
For decades, AIPAC has dominated DC's Israel lobby. But a popular president and dissent within the advocacy ranks could lead to a showdown on Middle East policy.
AS TWO MEN AT THE PODIUM called out names in rapid succession, senators and members of Congress rose from their candlelit tables to acknowledge the cheers of 7,000 pro-Israel activists gathered to fete them. The scene was the vast Washington Convention Center; the occasion, the gala banquet capping the annual three-day conference of Washington's most powerful lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. With more than half of Congress attending, and America's top politicians fumbling to score crowd points with awkwardly delivered Hebrew phrases and fulminations concerning Iran, the reading of the names has become a yearly demonstration of AIPAC's clout. Banquet speakers included Joe Biden, Newt Gingrich, and John Kerry, looming on gigantic screens that lined the hall. Representing Israel were President Shimon Peres (whose address was interrupted by a half-dozen Code Pink activists) and, via satellite link, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. It was a dog and pony show no other group—not the American Medical Association, not the National Rifle Association, not AARP—could hope to match.
For decades, AIPAC—together with Washington's broader Israel lobby, which distributed more than $22 million in campaign contributions during the last election cycle—has had a well-earned reputation for getting what it wants. And many expected the same when, during the May conference, thousands of AIPAC foot soldiers fanned across Capitol Hill to talk up the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act, a bill designed to throttle Iran's economy by restricting its ability to import gasoline (which it doesn't have much capacity to produce domestically). The legislation is a top priority for AIPAC, which views Iran's nuclear enrichment push as an existential threat to the Jewish state.
But this time, AIPAC was in for a surprise. Rep. Howard Berman, a dependable Israel backer who authored the legislation this past spring, put it on ice just weeks after it was introduced. "I have no intention of moving this bill through the legislative process in the near future," declared the California Democrat, who chairs the powerful House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
"Berman shocked everybody by not moving this bill forward," an official from the Israel lobby told me. "He's essentially put the kibosh on the bill. On his own bill! This is a major, major, major problem."
So what happened? The first explanation is obvious: Like many Democrats, Berman is reluctant to stand in the way of President Obama's foreign policy objectives, including his overture to Iran and his push for US leadership toward an Israeli-Palestinian accord. But Berman's action also signaled a deterioration of AIPAC's power. It's begun to appear that "AIPAC is not the 800-pound gorilla everyone says they are," says Dan Fleshler, author of Transforming America's Israel Lobby. "They may be just a 400-pound gorilla."
On Capitol Hill, a coalition of groups to the left of AIPAC has been mobilizing Democrats to support Obama's agenda in the Middle East, even if it conflicts with the goals of AIPAC and Netanyahu. (See our graphic representation of the Israel lobby spectrum, and our who's who of the major personalities). "Members of Congress are looking to support the president, and AIPAC hasn't moderated itself as much as it should have," says Patrick Disney, acting legislative director at the National Iranian American Council, which is part of the new coalition.
AIPAC is facing something of a perfect storm. Advocating for stronger ties between the Obama administration and the current right-wing Israeli government would be a difficult chore under any circumstances; on top of that, the megalobby has been weakened by a series of setbacks, including a long-running espionage drama involving two former officials accused of conspiring to pass along classified Pentagon Iran reports to Israel. Charges against the pair were dropped in May, but ripples from the scandal still tainted Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), one of AIPAC's top allies on Capitol Hill, who was caught on a wiretap by the National Security Agency promising a suspected Israeli spy that she would try to get the charges reduced.
Most of all, AIPAC and its allies face a president who is determined to press both Israel and the Palestinians for a deal. He's demanded that Israel halt its expansion of settlements in the West Bank, and in June, alarm bells went off in Israel when Obama, in his long-awaited Cairo speech on US-Muslim relations, expressed sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians in terms rarely used by an American president: "Let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable."
On the Iran issue, "there is a chance for the most serious dispute between the US and Israel in the entire 61 years of relations between the two," Robert Satloff, executive director of the Israel lobby's chief think tank, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told AIPAC in May. If Satloff is right, and Obama puts forward a Middle East peace plan that conflicts with the Israeli government's desires, it will prove the severest test yet for AIPAC: Can a popular American president, determined to transform American policy toward West Bank settlements for the first time since 1967, roll over Washington's most powerful lobby?
IN A SENSE, AIPAC and its allies are finding themselves hoist on their own petard. For years, the group has succeeded by gleefully aligning itself with the power of right-wing Republicans and pro-Israel evangelicals, the so-called Christian Zionists, who believe in the end-time and see a role for Israel within their own apocalyptic vision. These alliances proved a winning formula when the Newt Gingrich-led Republicans took over Congress in 1994 and, later, when President George W. Bush unquestioningly backed a series of conservative Israeli governments. But the strategy doesn't look so good anymore. "You do pay a price for having cozied up so intimately and with such apparent relish to the right wing of the Republican Party, to the neocons, and to the Christian right," says Daniel Levy, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation who served as a top negotiator for Israel in 1995 and 2001.
To be sure, it would be a mistake to count AIPAC out. It still has 100,000 members, a $60 million budget, and a $140 million endowment. Some 300 staffers, including an army of lobbyists, work out of 18 AIPAC offices spread across the country; they are tight with State Department and Pentagon bureaucrats, and can call on a vast network of political action committees, campaign contributors, and influentials. At its May conference—event slogan: "Relationships Matter"—AIPAC chose Lee Rosenberg, an Illinois businessman with close ties to Obama, as its next president.
Its name notwithstanding, AIPAC is not a political action committee and does not contribute money directly to political campaigns. The Center for Responsive Politics, however, identifies 31 separate PACs as "pro-Israel" donors. And while independent of AIPAC, many of these organizations look to the mother ship for guidance on which candidates to support. During the 2008 election cycle, according to an analysis conducted for Mother Jones by the center, these 31 PACs and their individual donors funneled an eye-popping $22.5 million to various candidates. As detailed in The Israel Lobby, a 2007 book by Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer that drew withering criticism from Israel hardliners, AIPAC's implicit—if unofficial—endorsement can open the floodgates for these contributions, especially for key candidates in tight races. Last year, Rep. Mark Kirk, a conservative Illinois Republican and AIPAC ally facing a stiff reelection challenge, raked in $407,431 from these sources.
Little surprise, then, that AIPAC is still an agenda setter on Capitol Hill. "If you're looking for a measure of their efficacy," notes a source close to the group, "just take a look at how many members of Congress voted in support of Israel's right to defend themselves from Hamas this January [amid Israel's assault on Gaza]: unanimous in the Senate, and 390-to-5 in the House." In sync with this year's AIPAC conference, 328 House members and three-quarters of the Senate signed the lobby group's letters to Obama, which urged the president to take an Israel-centric approach to Middle East peace and emphasized that "the parties themselves must negotiate the details of any agreement." The letters went on to note that "the proven best way forward is to work closely and privately together" with Israel.
Malcolm Hoenlein—who, as executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, could be described as the unofficial chairman of the Israel lobby—admits that while Obama got three-quarters of the Jewish vote, many influential Jewish activists are upset with the administration's direction. "There are people who are very worried," he says. "I could show you how many emails I get every day, all day long, about all this stuff."
Hoenlein doesn't believe the growing friction between Obama and Netanyahu will lead to a head-to-head test of wills. "It's early," he says of Obama. "The numbers will change. His popularity will go down." That may be true, but AIPAC and its allies face an even broader challenge: The fight over America's Middle East policy is ratcheting up within the Israel lobby itself.
IN THE TINY, cluttered office warren occupied by the Israel Policy Forum (IPF) in downtown Washington, the group's director of policy analysis, M.J. Rosenberg, waves at a visitor as he wraps up a phone call. Then, slouched on a sofa in shirtsleeves and stocking feet, surrounded by piles of paper, Rosenberg proceeds to blast one of AIPAC's congressional allies, the House minority whip, for the graphic Holocaust imagery he invoked during his speech at the AIPAC convention. "I mean, Eric Cantor gets up there and talks about cattle cars and gas chambers!" Rosenberg tells me. "He's from Virginia! Virginia! What the hell is he talking about?"
Rosenberg's organization is one of the pillars of a growing collection of liberal, anti-war Israel policy groups that have emerged to challenge the traditional center-right Israel lobby. Among them are Americans for Peace Now, Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, and a new entry called J Street, founded last year, whose PAC has raised about $600,000 for congressional candidates who are willing to contest the Israeli government's hardline positions.
Of course, compared to the millions of dollars AIPAC can mobilize, the new coalition is far outgunned. But Rosenberg, who worked for AIPAC during the 1980s, argues that it is a paper tiger that capitalizes on perception as much as on reality. "The lobby is kind of like the Wizard of Oz," he explains. "Behind that curtain, there's not very much. It's an illusion." On Capitol Hill, says Rosenberg, support for the group is wide, but not very deep. "They have a couple of people, Jewish members of Congress, who are AIPAC's people on the Hill. Key, respected members—in the current Congress, for instance, Steny Hoyer and Eric Cantor. The broad majority of members look to those members for guidance: 'Well, this guy is for the resolution; it must be okay with AIPAC, so I'm for it.'" Members reflexively follow AIPAC, says Rosenberg, because they don't want to be hassled by the Israel lobby, and nobody else in the debate carries near the same clout.
The game changer, he says, is Obama. "I don't believe that many members would follow AIPAC rather than the president of the United States if the president of the United States calls," Rosenberg explains. And thanks to decades of gerrymandering, he says, many lawmakers are so secure in their districts that there's not that much AIPAC could do to unseat them, even with its vast contributor network.
there have been few full-fledged confrontations...
"there have been few full-fledged confrontations between an American president and the Israel lobby"
Is that so? What about the time that JFK tried to get them to register as agents of a foreign government? The lobby's lawyer said it would "kill the zionist movement".
http://www.irmep.org/ila/azcdoj/P6100028-29azcobligate/default.asp
A couple of weeks later, JFK was dead, and DOJ dropped the drive to register.
Some feel that was a confrontation worth noting. The documents were declassified last year:
Is AIPAC Still the Chosen One?
Evidence Mossad Killed --JFK Over Israeli Nukes
http://www.rense.com/general42/enemies.htm
Mordechai Vanunu reportedly said in an interview that Israel was linked to the assassination of President Kennedy.
It would be more accurate for AIPAC to rename itself the "Israeli Political Action Committee" to better disclose the efforts it makes to sway elections in virtually every US congressional district.
AIPAC, a nonprofit corporation prohibited from supporting political candidates, does just that in clandestine and illegal ways.
And then there are the youth
And then there are the youth that proved so important to Obama and who simply do not get why Israel runs the show in the relationship. It makes no sense, friendship with them has very little upside and a very large downside.
That said Iran+Israel+Turkey+US would be a group I would face the rest of the Arab states and Muslim African states (saving our Good Buddy Morocco) down with.
Stop Worrying About AIPAC! Worry About The Corporate Lobbies!
The US has more control over Israel than Israel will ever have over the US. Every politician in Washington would rather do business with OPEC than with Israel, even though we have enough oil under the ground over. Funny thing is that Israel leads the world in research in alternatives to fossil fuel. And this is the country that most Americans want to cut ties with. Um, OK.
Meanwhile, Big Oil, Big Pharma and Big Bank keep sending their more powerful lobbies with big briefcases stuffed with $$$ for our representatives in Congress, who give Corporate America all kinds of favors in return. Maybe it's not a matter of the Israel Lobby twisting our government's arm. Maybe it's more like "They don't bring any cash to the bargaining table, so why should our government do anything for them?"
ARMS INDUSTRY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
It isn't about the Jews or Israel. It is about the arms industry. As long as we are at war, they run the government and the MSM.
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Too many approximations in
Too many approximations in succession = a false overall impression. Never is this point been truer then with regard to Israel, both in this world and also vis-a-vis the USA.
So now the Evil "Zionists" killed JFK? Yes, the pro-Israel lobby is formidable and generally effective. However, if it was in puppeteer's control of our government, the "Road-Map" plan would not have included provisions for freezing new (so called) "settlement" constructions. I for one do not advocate for Netanyahu. I am a Perez advocate. But listen to what he has to say and it may not be so agreeable to those who might blame Israelis (or even Jews, per-se) for all the world's problems. For one thing, he PERSONALLY urged the "Grand Mufti" al Husseini to declare Palestinian-Arab independence in 1948. The "Mufti" refused and insisted (in various public speeches) that there must be NO Israel, because its goal would be to conquer the entire 'Arabian peninsula' (and beyond). Perez was also around and active when in 2000, Chairman Arafat rejected Israel's offer to give-over what amounted to 97% of all land considered (pre-1967 borders). Clinton sweetened the pot with $30-billion, to compensate the Palestinian-Arabs for the 3%, plus any outstanding claims of so called "refugees". Arafat was not only angered by this offer, he broke off all further discussion and started the 2nd 'Intifada'. 11 months later, New York and Washington DC was attacked by Al Qaeda.
The average American supports Israel, not because of AIPAC. Because they are not stupid as to buy into the "Arab cause" which is NOT to make conditions for Palestinian-Arabs 'tolerable", but to make conditions for Israelis and Jews intolerable.
In the mid-1950s, radical
In the mid-1950s, radical Republicans in Congress called International Longshoreman head, Harry Bridges, to a committee hearing and demanded that he swear allegiance to the United States. Bridges be it noted was an Australian by birth and citizenship.
Wouldn't it be interesting if members of Congress and AIPAC leaders, as well as executives at NBC, the New York Times and other Zionist-dominated media corporations, were asked to put the interests of the United States ahead of Israel. It might be instructive to see how many if any would comply.
Republicans are not
Republicans are not "radicals", they are traditionally known as "reactionary". Blaming Jews is quite possibly the single oldest hobby in world history. Even if the "Zionists" were to blame, which I hardly concede, given the thousands of years of "well poisoners", "baby-blood drinkers", "Host desecrators" (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_desecration ) and other 'Blood libels' against Jews, I would think we deserve at least one pass. The USA protected post WW2 Germany against the Soviets for 40 years. Unlike the case with Israel, our US troops were actively engaged. Any 'dual loyalty' there say you?
Wrong where relevant; red herring otherwise
Calling certain 1950-era GOP congressmen "radical" is fully in keeping with their behavior. Webster on "radical": a : marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : extreme; b : tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions; c : of, relating to, or constituting a political group associated with views, practices, and policies of extreme change; d : advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs .
So radical was the correct term.
The rest of what Trollstein has to say about Bill77's comment is irrelevant, stupid blather. Typical of Israeli apologists--dragging any discussion off the track and into the underbrush where it can be left for dead. And of course, that last refuge of Zionist propagandists -- Jews as the world's eternal and ONLY victims. Never mind the recent butchery of Gaza, just remember the Holocaust of 60 years ago. Zionis's perpetual "get-out-of-jail" card.
Wherever did you get the
Wherever did you get the idea I was "apologizing" for Israel? One reliable sign of propaganda is that the propagandist can't avoid lying about even small, relatively insignificant points. As if the truth becomes poisonous to the propagandist [read: you]. As for "radical" versus "reactionary", the precise description is simply too accurate to be much use to the propagandist. Again the propagandist requires some unwarranted and meritless advantage to gain his/her baseline satisfaction. In the English language, when a proper term exists, one does not substitute the generic description (unless one is a propagandist, in which case the urge to do so is too compelling.) What precisely made these Republican congressmen mentioned allegedly "Radical"? The exact move described fits the description of a REACTIONARY. The exact move described does NOT fit the description of a "radical", except, possibly to a PROPAGANDIST with some warrantless point to be made. In the 1950s, the reactionary right wing (as they were then known) were the momentum behind the commie hunts and so what was described is the actions of this sub-category. Being a "reactionary" Republican in the 1950s, like Goldwater, was not "radical" because it was not seen or understood as any significant departure from the party's core values. Rather, it was an AMPLIFICATION of those same core-values, perhaps to the point of fundamentalism. "Radicalism" is a DEPARTURE from established core values.
"Zionism": A fable and a phantasm. Another derogatory term for something well defined otherwise, namely "Israeli" or "pro-Israeli". Those who call themselves "Zionists" are (99% of them anyway) idiots. Those who use this term derogatorily are generally Jew-haters, some in disguise and/or denial. If you disbelieve this point, please explain the DIFFERENCE between a "Zionist" versus a "pro-Israeli". The 1% remaining (actual) "Zionists" are true expansionists who possibly believe in forced expulsion of non-Jews from Israel. "Zionism" was invented in the 19th century, first as a religious and then reinvented as a secular movement to re-establish the Jewish National Homeland. Once reestablished as a practical matter in 1948, this word became as obsolete as "suffragette" or "abolitionist". I ask again, what does a "Zionist" do that an Israeli or pro Israeli does NOT do? Over years of posing this question, no one has been able to supply an answer.
" . . . recent butchery of Gaza"
Or, Israel was reacting in a way and using methods which were in keeping with any modern, well armed nation--given that 8,000 rockets had been fired into its civilian towns. These rockets were per-se banned by the Oslo agreements and were in violation of Geneva conventions because they were anti-civilian in nature.
Mid East history professor Bernard Lewis (Princeton) defines an anti-Semite as someone who is obsessed with perceived Israeli crimes against Arabs but has no corresponding compassion for Arabs being victimized by other Arabs. I think your words fit that description. Moreover, YOU dragged the holocaust into this as I had said noting about it. Lastly, anyone who detaches Israeli actions from 'standard practice' in other situations, involving other nations in other parts of the world is engaging in Jew-bashing. When Saddam's army was well equipped, what do you suppose his government would have done in retaliation for 8,000 rocket attacks? How about Tibet shooting 8,000 rockets into China? Cuba shooting 8,000 rockets into So. Florida? Ireland shooting 8,000 rockets into England? Jews are the only group in this world expected to act as textbook Christians. Nothing new there either, as such a double standard goes back to the advent of Christianity.
PS> Another telltale sign of
PS> Another telltale sign of a "propagandist" which often distinguishes them from an "anti-propagandist" is that the propagandist may ask but will will rarely answer questions, as if doing so would be an acknowledgement that someone (other then themselves) has any control over the 'frame-of-reference. Sound like anyone you know . . .oh, that right, you won't be answering. . .
But blaming Palestinians and Moslems is OK?
You want to give NAZI germany a free pass because of Germany's tribulations following their defeat in WW I?
Selecting a demographic in your population and treating them like subhumans is simply not ethical, moral or acceptable.
Palestinians and Jews are the same race, different religion. The Irish got over that, so should the people in the Mideast. War is bad for people on both sides.
It is all about the arms industry, not race or religion, but that is used to sell it.
Watch District 9? In the commercial there was a line" We just want to go home" - did that get cut out of the movie so they could distribute it?
This sort of stuff happens all over the world with people other than those in the conflict that you care about - wherever there is money to be made selling weapons to kill other human beings.
Time to end the savagery and start acting like human beings to each other.
DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.
Or do you prefer waiting for payback?
You can't win fights forever. Peace is what people want, not people shooting other people or dropping bombs on them.
And yes, the USA is just as evil and should stop the wars that it is engaged in.
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Bill77: Same Centuries Old Bigot's Claim
For centuries, Jew-haters have recycled the same list of claims about the objects of their bigotry. The list is so sadly predictable even if it has been repackaged for today: the Jews use the blood of Christian children in matza (now recycled to IDF soldiers "harvesting" Palestinian organs), Jews poisoned the wells (now it is Jewish doctors were purposely spreading Aids by injecting the virus into unsuspecting minority patients), the Jews control the banks & media (they love that 1 so much they don't even need to update it). The only "modern" addition to this list is the claim that the most documented crime in modern history: the Holocaust never happened or that the numbers of Jews who died have been grossly exaggerated by the "Zionists" to exploit (as if even the murder of a single person isn't a crime & evil in itself) .Clearly their favorite mantra is the one which Bill77 repeats: Jews are "disloyal" or don't have an "allegiance" to the United States. That any Jew serving in government is actually some sort of fifth column for Israel; that they place the interests of Israel above those of the United States. Ironically they have been making those same claims of disloyalty long before the State of Israel was re-established.
Frankly I think responding speficically to these statements of hate only dignifies behavior which is indefensible. Respectful discourse is always a valuable asset in a free society, but hate speech is just that and adds nothing. The anonymous nature of the internet permits those who would peddle these old canards the ability to do so without having to reveal their identities. I suspect that Bill77 and similar bigots lack the courage to make these same statements outside their hopefully small circle of like-minded bigots fearing the quick rebuke they would receive from any decent person of conscience.
What if...
...all these groups from foreign countries either went home, and invested their mental energies in fixing their domestic problems and leaving the United States out of it, or at least confined themselves to the UN? The UN represents something like 193 countries, and the vast, vast majority of the world's population lives outside our borders, and use the UN as a common venue to solve problems and debate political issues, so why would Israel or any other country be trying to directly lobby Congress, essentially bypassing US voters?
Eventually, various countries around the world are going to have to start pulling their socks up, and going it alone without the United States or Americans. And, the sooner they get started, the better.
Klaatu marachas necktie
Israel Needs to Clean Up Their Act and Get Better Leadership!
Until the Israeli government cleans up their human rights abuses toward the Palestinian people, more and more people all around the world will need to be labeled by the Zionist as “anti-Semite”. They have the worst behavior on the planet since Hitler! Do they really believe that will bring them love and respect? First war crimes then organ stealing for big profits. The world is disgusted with them, thoroughly. How can the US think they are friends?
Had the Arabs only known
Had the Arabs only known that disgracing Jews would be so easy, so universally welcomed and so productive, they surely would not have wasted their time and effort attacking Israel with their armies. You wrote: "They have the worst behavior on the planet since Hitler!"
How do you categorize the genocide of several million Black African Mandingos in Southern Sudan? How about the two million casualties if the Iran/Iraq war? Serbian Genocide of Bosnians? I will bet you that more Iranian civilians have died in the past 5 years then all the Palestinian-Arab casualties combined since 1948. But none of these count because no Jews are involved.
That is the fault of the Arms Industry
Just because they can get people do to evil doesn't justify other evil.
AIPAC = Aim Industry Political Action Committee
If you love anti-semitism you can thank them. They have made both of our countries Pariahs and monsters. I am ashamed, why aren't you?
We set up the Iran/Iraq war to sell arms and to get payback for the hostage crisis and Saddam Hussein did our bidding and WE sold him the WMD. Before that we were playing footsie with Iran for the weapons and dope trade.
Sudan? Ask the CIA, the USAID and the OIL companies why the genocide is happening. Our dime. We pay for it.
Serbia and Bosnia, genocide against muslims, guess who?
The people who rule us make the NAZIs look like amateurs.
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Completely nutz. The
Completely nutz. The Serbians had been threatening that if any power were to intervien against them and their attempted conquest of the Balkins, their Russian cousins would back them and thus, WW3 would commense. That is why the Euros could not police their own back yards from genocide unless the USA were involved.
Sudan? Would you like to speak with an eye witness? I can arrange that.
We (the USA) may have bad motives, at least some of the time but to listen to you, we are the only ones and everyone else is our victoms. According to yourself, the Israelis control the USA and so, that makes the USA unwitting surrogates of the REAL essential evil, namely the 0.25% of the world's population who are Jewish.
Get a job buddy.
The average American
The average American supports Israel, not because of AIPAC. Because they are not stupid as to buy into the "Arab cause" which is NOT to make conditions for Palestinian-Arabs 'tolerable", but to make conditions for Israelis and Jews intolerable.
Warsaw Ghetto - Gaza Ghetto, deja vu - victims as perpatrators?
Israel is losing support with many people, including progressive Jews, with their Third Reich style treatment of the Palestinians. Their behavior (along with that of the US in the Middle East as a whole) is increasing the rise in radical Islamists much to all of our peril.
The Israeli suppression and violence against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Ghetto is so like the treatment of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto by the Nazis. You'd have thought the Jews would have learned something, but apparently they just learned how to corral and suppress their own "sub-humans". They've imprisoned them behind high walls, allow very little in food, water, medicines etc. in and few people out. They went in shooting and bombing schools and homes while the Hamas loonies fired pathetic rockets, little more deadly than a Roman Candle, into Israel.
Change the names and the whole scenario would look much like what the Jews make such a thing out of so no one will ever forget - the Warsaw Ghetto uprising (Intifada?).
And the takeover of Palestinian lands for Israeli towns while Palestinians are forced from their homes, their water is stolen and they aren't allowed to drill new wells etc. is pretty similar to the Nazi confiscation of Jewish properties and the forcing of Jews out of jobs, careers and into scrabbling for food.
There was a lot of sympathy for the Jews and support for them in their own land, but their brutal Naziesque behavior toward and treatment of the Palestinians is turning people away form them. They better think again if they thing they can stand against the Muslim world and its fast rising violent radicalism without the support of the US and others in the West and the billions in aid they get from the US alone. They can't possibly. And it has just been announced that Muslims now out-number Jews in the US, so we will start to see a shift away from support for Israel among our fickle politicians and toward those who have a bigger number of votes and potential campaign donations. Whores that they are....those politicians.
Some would say that the
Some would say that the Arab/Israeli conflict fuels the global Islamic militancy. Others would say that the conflict is a SIDESHOW of the militancy and the EFFECT of the militancy, which goes back over 20 years prior to Israeli independence. The fact that much of the world has taken sides with the Arabs should come as no surprise to anyone. Jews have been the world's scapegoats since at least the formation of the Holy Roman Empire in 334-CE. However, if not for the global power controlled by petroleum, I suspect that Hitler would have been allowed to wipe out the Arabs, even before he started with the Jews. In fact if you read Mien Kampf, it notes that the Arabs are racial Semites, like the Jews and would be dealt with as such. Despite this, Mein Kampf was translated into Arabic (less these statements) and every single Arab country except Jordan sided with the Nazis in WW2. There is now a growing fascist movement in Europe, who wants to befriend the Jews and Israel, That fact does not make Israel fascist, though soon enough, people like yourself will be claiming that these European anti-Islamization groups are puppets of Israel. In the mean time, should terror events begin to regularly occur inside places like France, Sweden, Norway, Italy, etc., similar to what the Mid East Hebrews have dealt with for 90 years ongoing, watch how fast the Gaza "ghetto" begins to appear like the Monte Carlo Hilton by comparison to Muslim neighborhoods in Europe. When you mention that some Jews are in agreement with your condemnation of Israel, I have two words: Clarence Thomas. This is not to say that everything Israel does is right or for that matter that I agree with every official Israeli decision. But it is not helping their decision-making process to have their very existence questioned, their actions lied about and their defensive actions singled out for ridicule when any other modern, well armed nation would act accordingly.
And the Palestinians are the Judeans who stayed and converted.
It is the same people and the same race.
What is the difference between a Palestinian and a Jew?
1939 years.
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You know what 'stinks'? Its
You know what 'stinks'? Its your decomposing brain-matter.
Jews respect the US
the Muslims come here and kill our citizens and preach hate. not to mention they refuse to assimilate and treat women like garbage, oh not to mention they are responsible for the most killings in our prison system - where they brutalize all the non-Muslims
FreeThinker? No, you are a Jew-Hater SickThinker?
No doubt you are sick. Perhaps you have problems with your erection? Perhaps you have been beaten by your father when you were young? Or you are angry because you have been sodomized by your uncle? Don't be ashamed. Come to our clinic and we will cure you. We will not convert you into a Jew-lover but you will behave more rational.
Hopefully an end to Israel's stranglehold on American politics:
I certainly hope the power of these groups is fading. The only reason they have been able to continually victimize the Palestinian people has been with American military equipment and support. I hope we stop all aid to Israel, and they are forced to make peace with their neighbors, (once they can no longer abuse and dominate them.)
And before you start calling me an anti-Semite - my life-partner is Jewish, and he agrees with me.
What is amazing about your
What is amazing about your message is that you assume your words are perceived as "Anti-Semitic". Your only rebut to your own accusation about yourself is the fact that you have close intimate relations with someone who is Jewish. Frankly, you and your partner are both misinformed and wrong. Being mistaken is not a racial stereotype. You wrote:
"continually victimize the Palestinian people has been with American military equipment and support. I hope we stop all aid to Israel, and they are forced to make peace with their neighbors, (once they can no longer abuse and dominate them.)"
How much do you actually know about the facts on the ground? Not very much. You probably rely on social networking for your collection of bumper-stickers and fortune-cookies. Do you for example even know what the exact controversy is? Unlikely. Jews in fact are outnumber by their Arabs neighbors 80/1. Some very rich Arab countries are part of this 80:1 ratio. How does a nation (Israel) comprising 2% of the total land, 1/80th of the total population and with no oil wells "dominate" the region?
Ridiculous. You can tell that to your partner for me too. (When you can correctly identify the exact controversy, please come back and we can chat some more).
Is AIPAC Still the Chosen One?
''How much do you actually know about the facts on the ground? Not very much''
Its the writer above who knows very little except what the Zionists have put out there via Hollywood since forever.
Since 1948 when the US stole Palestinian land and gave it to European Jews the Israelis have the most powerful Military in the Middle East as they have continually demonstrated.
Recently before the Israeli Military brutally started killing in Gaza their Military Commanders has their Rabbis blow their symbolic horns of Jerico as in the Bible to bless the carnage and the use of White Phosphorous and the other de-humanizing weapons they have.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm
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In 1948 a very significant
In 1948 a very significant population of Jews resided in Palestine, where they had lived, some families for 3,200 years. That is not a "Zionist" history, it is THE history and hardly any serious historian debates it. Included in this population were Jewish families living in what is now Jordan. There are no more Jews in Jordan, thanks in part to their laws which specify that Jews (and only Jews) are excluded from Jordanian citizenship. As before, these are NOT "Zionist" facts, they are THE facts and as before, only amateurs debate them. Lastly, there were over 500,000 Jews residing in a variety of mid East (Arab) countries prior to 1948. These populations now number less then 10,000 (60 years later). When Iraq recently established its new constitution, included a "right of return" for everyone, except its Jews, many of whom had lived in Iraq for 2,600 years. All of these facts are the true and only true facts on those subjects, there is no such thing as an "ethnic" or "political" fact. Its either historically accurate and supported or not. "Zionism" is not a type of history. You have no business debating me. All you have is libelous rumor in place of accurate information. Israel declared its (long overdue) independence, much the same as literally dozens of other M.E. nations did during the 20th century. It is home to 1.5 million Arab/Muslims who have free speech, free press, free religion and vote and have equal rights and hold seats in government. This, despite the fact that 2009 Israel is only 2% of the land in the Mid East and, as said, few Muslim nations have any Jews. Some, like Saudi Arabia prohibit Jews from entering.
You are right about what you
You are right about what you say; the 80/1 ratio and no oil wells. Those facts alone are what make it so interesting as to why and how Israel in fact dominates the region. Your comments actually support your opposition. Why is a country so small in size and population with nothing to offer to the U.S. able to dominate the region and get all the votes in congress? Because AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in the U.S. That's why we don't question the fact that they have nuclear weapons. We don't question their genocide of the Palestinian people. We give them billions of American dollars. We cover their atrocities on our news stations but exaggerate anything the Arab countries do. We close our eyes to their involvement in one red flag after another that gets us involved in wars we have no business in. We don't advertise the fact that the masterminds behind the Iraqi war were men with very strong ties to Israel, some with dual citizenship. We don't talk about the fact that the Iraqi war did noting for the U.S. but took care of ethnic cleansing for Israel by eliminating one million Iraqis, one million potential anti-Israel people/soldiers. I could go on forever but I think you get my point.
Israel's stranglehold on American politics
If you and your partner really think as you stated then I really feel sorry for you. It always amazes me how people who are otherwise fairly competent in sizing up the situation...fail to understand what really is going on. Most of the Western World prides itself on being "more or less" Christian... they say that they believe in the Bible... that it is the Holy Word of God. The Israelies (otherwise known as the children of Jacob or God's Chosen People) of which the Jewish people are a part, were given the land of Palistine which included the whole of the West Bank of the Jordan and even some of the East Bank as well. It would be prudent of people like you to know the history of a thing before going off half cocked (LOL). But as always, ignorant people like you remain smug in their ignorance.
AIPAC IS BAD FOR DEMOCRACY
" A powerful bloc in Washington and the media facilitates our Israel policy, but our Israel policy does not reflect the wishes of the vast majority of Americans in any meaningful way"
This needs repeating on every political platform - both Republican and Democrat, in every State, in every church and religious gathering, in union meetings and town halls, in colleges, schools and universities and in every home up and down America, every week.
AIPAC and the entire Israel lobby work, not for the good of America but to maintain their extensive influence within the legislature in order to fulfill their specific agenda.
That agenda is detrimental to American democracy as it works for the advancement of a foreign state and not for the welfare and good of Americans or America.
I see poll results on every
I see poll results on every conceivable other question except this one. Sometimes we see polls with conflicted results. Why no polls on this question? Jews control the polls too?
The fact is that Americans (ordinary Americans) support Israel because they beleive in it. America has supported many, many other causes. Bosnia, West Germany, South Korea, just to name a few. In fact, while I am typing, the USA has a legal treaty with Taiwan, promising to go to war with 100-million Chinese, should they invade Taiwan. No such treaty exists to protect Israel. Our support for Israel is confined to sending them a relitively small number of weapons. They in turn improve our technology and send us back the blueprints. Works for me.
I got your "chosen" right here!
Also, the few people still living today who lived through the late 1920s and 1930s (especially if they did so as Jews in Europe) recognize the similarities with the world (landscape) of today and NO, they do not see any parallel between the Nazis and the Israelis. There were no Israelis to focus blame on back in the depression era. But there was still blame a plenty. Hitler accused Jews of deliberately poisoning pure Aryan bloodlines by introducing Africans into the Rein land. The Soviets, while more friendly towards Jews were opposed to any Jewish Homeland, saying that such would be a launching pad for world domination. This was the same position taken by the local Arab war-lords on the subject. In the USA, the "Jewish cause" was a distinctly leftist movement. A group of lefty Hollywood actors, including Humphrey Bogart and Edward G. Robinson wrote an open letter to FDR demanding that the US do more to save periled Jews in Europe. In reply, FDR sent James Forrestal, known for being an Anti-Semite, to tell them to shut up. He told the group that Nazi support in the USA was far greater then the public realized and if not careful, such publicity would open up a can of worms. England for their part was a conservative (therefore anti-Zionist) government and did everything humanly within its power to placate their only Mid East (Arab) Ally, Jordan, by impeding Jews from escaping Europe. Oil had become more valuable then humanity itself. What has changed today? Oil is still the same strategic commodity it was in 1932 (perhaps even more so). Jews are still being blamed for every defect in the world. Specifically, we are to blame for the banking crisis, the problems with the Muslim world, controlling the world media, controlling the US Congress, killing JFK, invading Iraq, and of course, the real core problem in the entire world, the tortured and suffering Palestinian-Arabs, who we refuse to make peace with--because we are sadistic Nazis. Get real. If we were guilty of 10% of the things we are accused of then we probably deserve the gas-chambers, which is the exact point of the accusations after all.
I (for one) say: If the Jews really were in control of the US government, it would be functioning properly and NOT BE SO FU*KED UP.
Lastly, I resent the tag line: "Still the Chosen one" because that is just one more false accusation directed against Jews, namely, that we think God somehow chose us especially for this "honor" (of being accused of being the devil).
What happened to the Jews in Europe was horrible and evil.
I fail to see why someone else had to pay for the crimes of the NAZIS.
The NAZIS ran their Holocaust for four years and were lesser monsters for about 8 years prior to that.
How does that compare to what has been happening to the Palestinians for the last 60 years?
We are paying for it and we have been lied about it and Israel and that is why people are fed up. Just like "The Ten Commandments" the "Exodus" were just fairy tales and lies to con us.
There is no JHVH, there is no DEED to the Land, there was no Moses, the Burning Bush was Marijuana, there was no right of return, and the Palestinians are descendants of the Biblical Jews and there land was stolen and they were defeated and turned into a people without a land.
People without a land - GEE, WHO'S myth is THAT?
NAZIS never figured that anyone would hold them accountable either.
Don't count on US being able to keep that from happening because these two wars that we were tricked into fighting for Israel and The ARMS INDUSTRY and DOPE TRADE ahve bankrupted us morally and financially.
AIPAC and the NEOCONS have slit the throat of Israel's ONLY ALLY and are bleeding us dry while China foots our bills and keeps our economy afloat because they own what little is left and need to keep the dollars they hold from losing al their value.
Obama and Bush were put into office for one purpose, to destroy the American Empire. That mission is almost accomplished.
Sometimes you get exactly the opposite of what you think you are getting. Hasn't that been the case for a long time now?
Wake up and smell the coffee. No one wins wars or maintains empire forever.
Isreal should have been carved out of Germany, France and Italy. I bet the Germans, French and Italians would flock there to shop and enjoy the culture just as they did prior to the unfortunate affair that pretty much destroyed Europe. Everyone lost and suffered because we were so much better than the NAZIs when it came to efficient mass murder.
The madness never ceased. The mass murder never ceased either, it just moves around to wherever it is convenient for the ARMS INDUSTRY.
Something Stinks
Once again, my jaw is
Once again, my jaw is dropped open in reaction to your pedantic nonsense. Some Jews of Palestine were converted to Islam and became part of the Palestinian-Muslim population. This also occured all over the Muslim world. However, the great majority of Jews remained Jews and the great majority of Palestinian-Arabs were never Jews. Never, ever. You are completely mixed up. On almost every point. In fact, when I hear such extreme disinformation I worry that should you ever come into the same room with the truth, or even the truth's 'sister-in-law' you might go postal, or have some other (presently unknowable) emotional colapse.
Also, my (real) last nameis
Also, my (real) last nameis represented by three Hebrew letters. What that means is that is is older then Moses. I have a friend who's last name is "Abraham". He is from a promanant Jewish family in Baghdad, which means that his last name comes down from THE ABRAHAM. We know our history, both ancient and modern. Who do you think you are to tell me the well documented history of my own people?
On the right track
SStink - you're on the right track. I’d like to further your comment: most European jews affected by WWII were Ashkenazis. This group was dominated the Zionist movement in late19C/early20C pushing for migration to their “biblical” homeland in “Israel.” At the time this homeland happens to be Palestine under the administration of Great Britain. Zionist movement did everything hook or by crook to achieve – don’t want to speculate but let’s say some actions may have contributed to world conflicts of early 20C. Anyway what’s weird is that Ashkenazis have essentially no genetic ties to the area called Palestine, nor for that matter, the wider Levant. They principally hale from Central Asia (wider “Khazaria”) and their ancestors converted to Judaism in 700/800AD. Subsequent to that time they migrated into western Europe. At present, the Ashkenazi represent the majority of jews in the State of Israel (some/many have exchanged names to Hebrew ones as some demonstration of regional ties – yep more deception). It is quite funny watching over the past 50yrs Israel desperately try to make the genetic and archeological connection of its current population to Israel. The ironic fact is the indigenous Palestinian have certainly direct genetic tie to the ancient Palestine/Levant – by far more than the jewish Israeli citizens claiming such heritage. The Israeli govt also embarked on an ambitious archeology program, again an attempt to prove that Old Testament tales/myths/fables are real. Even Masada human remains found few decades ago were treated as celebrities – later to find out they were not jewish as there were pig bones among human remains. Well, long story short, nothing earth shattering has yet been discovered either genetically or archeology. You know the Nazi govt tried to do the same in the 30’ and 40’s trying to make connection with Aryanism – they are criticized today by the same pundits promoting Zionism. To add insult to injury, Ashkenazi Israelis are deeply racists towards other jews like the Sephardic (they at least have genetic connecting to middle east) even attempting limited genocide – google “Ringworm Israel.” Real amazing stuff - history does repeat itself!
Hitler’s ultimate plan for European jews was to move them to Siberia. So-called historians and others would make fun of the plan…..but doing one’s homework Hitler wasn’t so off. He wanted them to go back where they came from in Central Asia. Well here’s example: Birobidzhan city is located deep in Siberia. It’s popn is chiefly jews (check fascinating RussiaToday report on city).
Thank heavens for the internet - facts are more readily available so the public can tell who is doing the bamboozling.
Enough said.
WWII....
.......WAS the holocaust and millions died in that senseless, horrendous battle. Stop seperating it into religious and cultural groups and then pointing fingers in blame. Its beyond silly. Just stop already. Good God.
And Abolish....
..............Lobbyiing. It undermines democracy as it gives special interest groups a much larger vote, thru fiat, than it should ever have had. It corrupts congress, not that they needed much help, and creates an unlected shadow governance run by the big money powers.
"Lobbying. It undermines
"Lobbying. It undermines democracy as it gives special interest groups a much larger vote ... than they should ever have had. It corrupts congress, ... and creates an unlected shadow governance.. ."
WRITE THIS IN YOUR SCHOOLS, IN YOUR WORKPLACES AND ON YOUR FOREHEADS!
LOBBYING UNDERMINES DEMOCRACY.
LOBBYING CORRUPTS CONGRESS.
LOBBYING CREATES AN UNELECTED SHADOW GOVERNMENT.
thank-you
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It is demographics that hangs over the Israeli future.
The numbers game in population within pre-1967 Israel is the motor and the calender for the next decades in the nation and region.
Sometime soon the 20+% Palestinian population within Israel will surpass the 50% necessary to keep Israel jewish by law and zionist by heritage, when considering anexations and the continuing disastrous and cruel occupation.
Even Palestinians with full Israeli citizenship live in a second-class status.
It is an apartheid now, considering the occupation (Gaza- a blockade;W.Jordanland;Golan; Schaba farms) and will be so indefinitely with the addition of civil strife or worse.
Time is not on the side of Israel. That is why some well-meaning justice advocates are seperately desiring a 1-state solution. A phased dezionization, conceding the impass on hand to the decades ahead of the demographic mega shift in store for all of Biblical Palestine.
It is natural that finally the demands of "Peace Now" and the great majority of moderate supporters of Israel are heard and respected.
Add that to the newly realized fact for Israelis of a Jewish nation's role in the Apocolyptican Dispensationalists' end time drama- I think any reasonable human, Jew or Gentile would get nervous contemplating the status quo. Which is probably the real anxiety behind the Iranbomb militancy.
Israel cannot want to continue as the isolated bully. I hope that Jews everywhere, who have individually done so much good for our world's culture can someday , together with us all look up to a just and good Israel- a friend, God-willing to every nation.
Too bad that Israel has to put herself and her occupied sub population through such an unneeded state of hostility and suffering based on self diluded political/religious superstitions- a victim of self Jihad, if you like.
No other nation on earth would have been allowed such a devastatingly cruel occupation and oppression for so long. The grace period for the young nation is now over, if "J Street" utopianism can be believed.
United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338 (amoung others) drew a picture long ago of an possible end product for the peace process within the community of nations.
Israel places itself above any such community and has been marginalizing an only ally- The enabling U.S. into an end result of much antiamericanism .
Peace and justice must sooner or later dawn upon political leaders in the U.S. and Israel before we lose afriend to the disease of authoritarian apartheid.
I say we give J Street and the true doves a chance to innoculated against this killer ailment of racism and isolation.
Israel must decide between Peace and Non existence- sooner or , more likely later.
The source of AIPAC
The source of AIPAC power
The source of AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) & its 51 allied organizations (The Conference of Presidents) power goes back to the origin of the Federal Reserve & the extension of the Rothschild family European banking dynasty to the United States Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is the central bank of the United States privately owned with the public power. The Federal Reserve act was planned in secret in 1910 on Jekyll Island, Georgia. At the Island was Senator Nelson Aldrich who introduced the bill, Paul Walburg the architect of the bill, A. Piatt Andrew, assistant secretary of the Treasury, Frank Vanderlip, Harry P. Davison & Benjamin Strong. The Federal Reserve act was passed on the day before Christmas Eve in 1913 so that its opponents would be at home with their families.
Representing Rockefeller interests was Frank Vanderlip President of Rockefeller built National City Bank of New York (now part of Citigroup) and Senator Nelson Aldrich whose daughter Abby married John D. Rockefeller Jr. & his grandson was his namesake.
Representing J.P. Morgan was Harry P. Davison & Benjamin Strong.
Rothschild’s interests were represented by Paul Walburg & J.P. Morgan. Paul Walburg was a Kuhn Loeb banker & the brother in law to the Rothschild family. Albert Loeb was partners with Louis F. Rothschild with to form Albert Loeb & Co.
The Rothschild’s connection to J.P. Morgan was George Peabody. Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild was disliked, so he needed a front man & financially backed American George Peabody in London. George Peabody never married & had no heirs so he sought a business partner. He went into partnership with Junius Spencer Morgan (father of J. P. Morgan). George Peabody & Co became J.S. Morgan & Co. This later became part of JPMorgan Chase.
Paul Warburg then became a member of the first Federal Reserve board. He became a director of the Council on Foreign Relations at its founding in 1921. Even today the Council on Foreign Relations along with its sister in London, Chatham House (formally the Royal Institute of International Affairs) is the most influential foreign policy think tanks. Council on Foreign Relations members have included senior serving politicians, more than a 18 Secretaries of State, former national security officers, former CIA members and senior media figures. Dick Cheney was on its board of directors.
Shortly after the Fed founding, J. P. Morgan bought 25 of the Nation’s greatest newspapers to control to media to drum up support for military preparedness & involvement in World War I.
As with Paul Warburg the Rothschild family is of German-Jewish origin. Mayer Amschel Rothschild is the founder the Rothschild banking dynasty. His 5 sons established banks in four other countries. The Rothschild dominance established in London from profits from funding the British war effort in the Napoleonic Wars. This established London as the financial center of the Rothschild bank & in turn the financial center of the world. For most of the 1800’s N. M. Rothschild bank was the biggest bank in the world. Baron Rothschild helped establish Israel by lobbing the British government to commit to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Baron Edmond James de Rothschild was instrumental in establishing Rishon LeZion the fourth-largest city in Israel & Israeli coin was made in his honor. His son donated funds for the Israeli Knesset building (similar to congress). Dorothy de Rothschild donated the Supreme Court of Israel building.
The end result of all of this:
1. Is that in the 1980’s the major share holders of Federal Reserve are Citigroup & JPMorgan Chase & is probably still so today.
a. The owners of the Fed are a secret.
b. The Fed is a bank of issue & this is unconstitutional because only congress should have this power.
c. The government borrows money from the Fed.
2. The banking elite is in London with Rothschild’s being a major influence.
a. Gold prices were fixed at the N. M. Rothschild bank in London bank until a few years ago; it’s still calculated in London.
b. LIBOR rate or London Inter-bank Offered Rate is the bench mark rate that banks lend to each other is calculated in London.
c. Because of the recent financial crisis, the U.S. ranking at World Economic
Forum is 3rd, behind Australia 2nd & UK 1st.
3. The banking elite are the ruling class of the world.
a.They rule though the Council on Foreign Relations & other similar
organizations such as the Chatham House, Bilderberg Group &
the Trilateral Commission
b. The special relationship between the U.S. & the U.K. is that our
rulers are connected.
c. In the age ever increasing campaign costs, funding is power.
4. The U.S. media is more pro-Israel than even the Israeli media.
a. Shortly after the formation the Fed, JP Morgan bought the major newspapers.
b. The legacy of the JP Morgan Rothschild connection filters our news.
c. The first person to point this bias to me is Noam Chomsky,
a founder of modern linguistics, political activist who is Jewish
& can read Hebrew.
d.Examples of this bias:
i.President Carter was labeled in our media as anti-Semitic
because of his book, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid”.
An article in the Haaretz (Israeli Newspaper) says,
“For the peace agreement with Egypt, he deserves the respect reserved for
royalty for the rest of his life.”
ii. Child victims of the Israeli military are never shown on our media,
but are shown on the BBC.
5. To hate Jews or Israelis because of AIPAC warmongering is like hating Americans because of Bush & Cheney. The very rich ruling class is a small percentage & is not representative of the people. Sadly Americans are misinformed of the world & can be easily mislead into war. People all over the world want peace.
AIPAC
http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/default.asp
The Conference of Presidents
http://www.conferenceofpresidents.org/content.asp?id=55
Paul Warburg's Crusade to Establish a Central Bank in the United States
http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=381...
The Federal Reserve Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act
N M Rothschild & Sons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_M_Rothschild_&_Sons
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/...
Walburg – Rothschild marriage
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9807E1DF1539EF32A25755C1A...
William Avery Rockefeller, Jr. “built up National City Bank of New York” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller
Book - The Secrets of the Federal Reserve: the London Connection by Eustace Mullins former Library of Congress staff member
http://www.whale.to/b/mullins5.html
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-ke...
George Peabody
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Peabody
Paul Warburg Council on Foreign Relations director at its founding in 1921.
http://www.cfr.org/about/history/cfr/appendix.html
Council on Foreign Relations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/2807/wwcfrsos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Membership
Chatham House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_House
J. P. Morgan bought 25 of the Nation’s greatest newspapers
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9504E7DA1538EE32A25757C1A...
The Rothschild family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_M_Rothschild_&_Sons
The Rothschild family Israel support
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild
Gold fixing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Fixing
LIBOR - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Interbank_Offered_Rate
World Economic Forum
http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/FinancialDevelopmentReport/ind...
Trilateral Commission - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission
Bilderberg Group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
Jewish control of media - http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0...
Jimmy Carter - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/974893.html
Media bias - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWlRwSkZBA
Paralyzed Gaza girl - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm
Imagine
Imagine a world without Israel. The world would be relatively at peace and we, as Americans, wouldn't be wasting precious time discussing the above despictable matters. The US would be wealthier both financially and morally, and globally more respected. Enough said.
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It remains to be seen how firm, courageous - and fair - will Obama turn out to be. The Palestinians are still victimized by systematic ethnic cleansing; the settlers continue to expand and the Israeli government continues to bully, cajole and manipulate through its American proxies.
Ross, Indyk et al. still have a say in how to run the show.
So, let us see.
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