Igor Panarin's Doomsday Tea Party

Thanks for bringing this to light. But... why do you keep calling these people "conservatives?" They are radical corporatists, there's nothing conservative about them. They are tools looking to overthrow our elected constitutional government and replace it with a corporate dictatorship, similar to "communist" China.

If they truly were conservative they would be screaming and yelling about the Bill of Rights. They would be working to conserve and protect the gains made by the American Revolution. Call them anything you want, but don't dignify them with their doublespeak name for themselves.

So, in Panarin's scenario, who gets to keep the bombs? Chuck Norris?

This is a case of folks not being able to deal with other people as equals, thus feeling unable to feel superior to them. The planet is a lot smaller than it used to be, and folks had better get used to it, or find themselves on the endangered list.

I'm embarrassed by most of this country. I would be fine with the northeast joining up with Europe. And by all means, let Texas go. They can be their own country, but it seems to me more likely that they will join up with Central America. The US is a failed experiment. We owe trillions upon trillions to China, hopefully the west coast will be enough to pay them off.

I say let it happen. And let the wingnuts go where ever they want, just not New Jersey.

Conservatives have already tried to break up the country. It was called the Civil War. I think we can all agree it was good that the Confederacy was defeated and the country reunited.

Whoever gets Alaska gets Sarah Palin in the divorce. Think about that.

A breakup of the continental US is a crackpot theory. The loss of US's overseas empire is not. We spend a lot of money keeping the Middle East in an artificial state, and we know our influence in the world hinges on our consumption which is dependent on overseas resources. I think Mexico and other Central American countries may become failed states right on our doorstep, so that will probably spill well into our borders.

War in Europe is probably imminent as well. Western countries made a huge miscalculation by trying to bleed Russia dry instead of integrating them into the community. We were never successful at taking the hydrocarbons from them when we should have just bought them from them honestly. NATO's expansion was a slap in their faces. The joke is that we would never actually fight for any of the new members. We were hoping they'd be able to do something with the weapons we gave them - and they did. They thumbed their noses at Russia bragging about how the US was going to protect them.

but it goes right back to the Lysenkoism practiced under Stalin. Much like our modern print journalists-you print what the boss wants to hear because there is no reward and a strong disincentive to be contrarian.

There are 2 different east-to-west natural gas pipelines in the works.
One starts in Russia and goes to dependent European stoves and heaters.
The other does not- mideastern conglomerate which bypasses the great bear and looks cheaper- but requires a bit extra shipping through the North Sea.
Putin and Medvedev (and their Ologarch sybling rivalry chorus) are beginning to freak out. They had the monopoly game pre programmed and now it looks like Turkey and a few Mideastern empires are going to trump them with German and €U help so they need a splatter shot diversion tactic. Dividing up the Ol U.S an' A, inc. looks like a good game changer- while natural gas is still the fuel of future choice. Giving Mexico Texas would put our Southern Amigos , when combining their own proven gas reserves to the scenario,on top of the natgas heap. Reversing Seward's Folley would help Russia with her newly fatasized artic passage in the case of losing the gas monopoly.
O lot of Vodka is definitely required to keep up the chain of what-if?s in the Kremlin mind.
My state- Colorado would be a black hole in the new empire break up. We would be stuck with antagonistic or jealous neigboring co-regencies- Kansas, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska and Oklahoma. New Mexico being the only brotherly loved possible partner in the dance and The Land of Enchantment would actually lose luster by joining with us anyway so we would be probably alone. Kind of like the skinny kid who gets teamed last in the pick up games of the Ol' schoolyard league.
Bonehead's Reublic of Colorado. The uppermost basin of the long, thinned, overly dammed river of the same name which already lights up Vegas and Phoenix, then irrigates the fertile California valleys. We would dig a deep, deep hole and sell clean water and left over Coors directly to the Chinese and leave all those downstreamers dark and dry- unless, as the man says, the coast would ceed to China in which case we could just unleish the existing dams and add the Coors and come out on top anyway.
The little rectangle that could!
OK, now I am ready- let the mighty split up commence.
I have my mandarin sales tax translation all set up.
"N'yi chiao w'ero nii ch'en.", ya' all!

Never fear, dear ones. Organized crime and government are equivalent. The crime bosses (Obama, Congress & Armed Forces) will not tolerate disintegration. Our country has been conquered from within.

We're getting an awful lot of mileage out of this "teabagger" strawman. I mean, what are we talking about, a fraction of a percent of the population? I guess this way it's easier to ignore the fact that, aside from pushing healthcare "reform" and taking mildly more socially liberal positions on other issues, Obama is essentially presiding over Bush's third term. It would be nice if more people were skeptical of government, regardless of which corporatist stooge is in power.

I heard about this Russian and his predictions. One thing I noticed that pretty much negates his predictions is that he said the south will join with Mexico.

Uhm. No.

There is far too much racism and they hate the Mexicans that the south will NEVER join with Mexico.

These motherhumpers have a serious fetish for anything that stokes their nihilistic, post-apocalyptic fantasies. They fancy themselves the survivors in such a scenario.

If you get an erection when thinking about the demise of America, you have a problem.

Igor Panarin isn't the only one who's predicting the breakup of the United States in the not-too-distant future. Far from it. I'm no "teabagger" by a long shot -- I'm an old-fashioned FDR-JFK liberal -- but I've had a gut-level feeling since George W. Bush's 2004 election victory that America is headed toward a breakup.

Not economically, but politically. The worsening animosity between the Left and the Right -- which is rapidly falling along racial, religious and generational lines -- is making a breakup of this country more and more likely.

Texas Governor Rick Perry is being pilloried for calling for his home state to secede following Obama's election. But I myself called on New England, my home region (I live in Vermont), to secede after Bush's re-election in 2004.

I see a breakup as inevitable, if for no other reason than the fact that the extremes of the Left and the Right are driving it. Neither side can tolerate the other -- they're increasingly behaving like matter and anti-matter: they cannot peacefully co-exist. Now, they're threatening to pull the center apart -- unless the center coalesces into a third major party.

Now we face the prospect of a sectarian conflict -- pitting Christians against Muslims (especially ultrafundamentalists on both sides who believe that theirs is the only "true" religion and that all others are tools of Satan) -- in the wake of the Fort Hood massacre.

Then there is the matter of 16 million to 20 million Americans unemployed and likely to stay that way for the forseeable future. Unless they form their own businesses, that's 16 million to 20 million potential re-enactors of the French Revolution in America. I'm talking class war.

Under these scenarios, I can't see America staying in one piece much longer.

So many of these comments here are disgustingly racist. "Vodka vodka communist communist." Most are apologetic for the US's hideous action around the world. The US can buy oil and gas from all the Persian Gulf states, Venezuela, Canada, Nigeria, the North Sea, AND Russia. The only reason US (and British) companies are sniffing around the Caspian basin is because it is more profitable than those other options. The only reason people here are defending US actions is because they don't like high market prices (which are not controlled by the above countries). Do you think that if US and British oil companies were more successful in getting that energy that they would generously lower prices for you all? Get real. US created banana republics like Georgia and Azerbaijan while arming them to the teeth to ensure that domestic and foreign politics (while completely dependent on the pipeline) will not affect the flow.

Panarin began to say this less than a decade after the break up of the Soviet Union, it seems obvious to me he has a wish for a more successful rival to suffer the same fate. Do the regions of this country have the grievances of centuries as the Baltic states, Ukraine and Georgia have against Russia? Not even close. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Panarin has a similar theory about the future of China. There is a strong smell of sour grapes and wild extrapolation about him. There will always be a percentage of the population who try to lend credence to nonsense like this, for whom peace is boring and calamity something to be anticipated with ghoulish glee, some of them post here.