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Fear-Mongering and Fiction: Cheney Addresses West Point Grads

Washington Dispatch: The veep last spoke at West Point four years ago. He is still peddling the phony link between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

May 26, 2007


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With the poise and purpose that has been drilled into them during the past four years, the cadets filed slowly into West Point's Michie Stadium in crisp lines, standing at attention as they reached their seats. Here stood the graduates of the nation's premier military academy, nearly a thousand of them, who would soon swear the oath of the United States Army and be commissioned as second lieutenants.

The class of 2007, the first to enter the academy after the invasion of Iraq, has chosen the motto "Always Remember, Never Surrender" and a crest that includes these words emblazoned above a scene that shows the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Before long, it's likely that many of these men and women will deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, complex and asymmetric battlefields that have forced the military to rethink its approach to warfare. The nature of the war on terror has caused the staid military academy itself to revisit its curriculum. In Iraq and Afghanistan these soon-to-be officers will lead platoons, where they will be called upon to carry out their missions not just as soldiers, but as diplomats and cops and sometimes a combination of the three.

Vice President Dick Cheney, on hand to deliver this year’s commencement address, acknowledged that this crop of West Point grads is unique. “It is rare in West Point history for a class to have joined during war time and graduate in the midst of that same war,” he said. Addressing the academy’s graduates, the vice president, who drew a crowd of protestors outside one of West Point's gates, relied on the same brand of doomsday rhetoric that has characterized his remarks since 9/11. "We know," he told the audience at one point, that Al Qaeda is “working feverishly to obtain even more destructive weapons and using every form of technology they can get their hands on. This makes the business of fighting this war as urgent and time sensitive as any task this nation has ever taken on.”

Not only is the threat real, he warned, it’s immediate. “The timeline is no longer a calendar, it’s a watch,” he said, quoting a line used recently by Mike McConnell, the director of National Intelligence. Cheney then claimed that the “enemy likely has cells inside our own country.”

As Cheney told the graduates of the enemies they may soon face — terrorists "who oppose and despise everything you know to be right, every notion of upright conduct and character" — there were moments when it seemed that he had simply recycled an old speech from 2002. Indeed, long after most members of the Bush administration have distanced themselves from some of the more insidious claims that propelled the U.S. into war with Iraq, the vice president continues to repeat them as fact. At one point today he cited the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda (which has been thoroughly debunked) as the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq. "America is fighting this enemy in Iraq because that is where they have gathered," he told the West Point graduates. "We are there because, after 9/11, we decided to deny terrorists any safe haven."

In a subtle irony, the vice president last addressed graduating West Point cadets the very year the class of 2007 entered the academy, in 2003. It was close to a month after the president declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq and Cheney crowed that “the battle of Iraq was a major victory in the war on terror.” At the time, two West Point graduates had been killed in Iraq. Since then an additional 49 tombstones have risen on West Point's campus, marking the graves of graduates who were killed in Iraq, fighting a war the vice president had previously assured them they’d already won.



 

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These are the kind of zombies the military requires in order to follow the lying, fearmongering, draft dodging, fascist mother****ers that are their bosses.
Posted by:chazarooMay 26, 2007 7:40:33 PMRespond ^
How blind you people are. Obviously you do not like the country you live in - as you keep trying to destroy it - obviously you are on the side of terror.
Posted by:MelMay 26, 2007 7:58:28 PMRespond ^
I am always amazed when a draft-dodger can side-step any time in uniform and then command the attention so of so many true patriots. Cheney should stay home like he always has.
Posted by:vet240May 26, 2007 8:04:28 PMRespond ^
Just report, don't opine.
Posted by:RichardMay 26, 2007 8:04:50 PMRespond ^
I'm proud of these graduates. I am saddened that some of them will be injured or killed in the name of revenge. Mel: I certainly hope you are being facetious - otherwise, you need to look up "McCarthyism."
Posted by:GingerMay 26, 2007 8:07:58 PMRespond ^
I went to this site from Google News thinking it was a news site. Wrong. It is just another left-wing anti-US opinion site. This makes no contribution of value.
Posted by:RussellMay 26, 2007 8:08:35 PMRespond ^
How can the V.P.tell a lie,and not be called a liar.
Posted by:joe twiddyMay 26, 2007 8:12:09 PMRespond ^
Paul McLeary's ignorance, shameless ranting and lies would fall on deaf ears were he making his views known at that graduation. The cadets represent the exact opposite of this "know-nothing"
Posted by:Jack L. GriffisMay 26, 2007 8:12:24 PMRespond ^
I just finished watching a show on CNN about seven American soldiers who were killed in Iraq when their helicopter was shot down. The profiles of the seven showed seven decent and young (the oldest was born in 1975) people. Cheney is a monster- his lies (which he continued to spout at West Point today) led to the deaths of these decent smiling kids. He belongs behind bars- it's too bad he wasn't on that helicopter.
Posted by:patrickMay 26, 2007 8:13:34 PMRespond ^
Hope you send your kids Mel. Cause ... you know ... the enemy is following us home here. You have obviously been listening to a tad too many of those talking points pushed at you from yer little Fox news. No...WAIT! Could it be ... "if you are not with us, you are against us." Repeat after me ... "talking points do not equal rational thought, talking points do not equal rational thought."
Posted by:MelbaMay 26, 2007 8:20:53 PMRespond ^
once again cheneys comments show that he has lost touch with reality.
Posted by:ecmac@mac.comMay 26, 2007 8:23:05 PMRespond ^
well, Mel, if you want to see a blind man, look in the mirror. Read the history lesson delivered by Jim McDermott last Wednesday May 23rd on the house floor.
Posted by:wm GreybeardMay 26, 2007 8:23:28 PMRespond ^
Russell called this a "Left-wing, anti-US opinion site." Let us all ponder this a moment. If we have a brain and ask a few questions (has anyone seen those WMD's?), we are labelled anti-US. Anti-US is allowing our great country to further deteriorate under this 'Roveing' band of idiots, bandits and crooks at the helm now, and not asking questions and standing UP in support of TRUTH.
Posted by:RenatoMay 26, 2007 8:30:06 PMRespond ^
My father served with honor in WWII, fighting a war to keep evil and dictators from enslaving an entire planet. I served in the Cold War era, helping win a war we never had to fight on TV. My son is now active duty, putting his life on the line, fighting for the same freedoms his grandfather and father were willing to lay down their lives to protect. On this Memorial Day weekend, we remember all those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for a country whose virtue, nobility and freedom are unique in the world. None of us should underestimate the horrors of war. Nor should we underestimate the horrors of a world where terror is allowed to run rampant.
Posted by:We Serve With PrideMay 26, 2007 8:37:11 PMRespond ^
When will this administration finally be put where they belong?...IN JAIL Why doesn't our Congress listen to us? WE WANT THEM UNDER ARREST FOR WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!
Posted by:SMay 26, 2007 8:40:23 PMRespond ^
Russell called this a "Left-wing, anti-US opinion site." Let us all ponder this a moment. If we have a brain and ask a few questions (has anyone seen those WMD's?), we are labelled anti-US. Anti-US is allowing our great country to further deteriorate under this 'Roveing' band of idiots, bandits and crooks at the helm now, and not asking questions and standing UP in support of TRUTH.
Posted by:RenatoMay 26, 2007 8:43:55 PMRespond ^
He is still telling lies - He told the grads that it was rare for a class to start West Point during a war and graduate during the same war. Seems to me that since the Vietnam war started in 1959 and ended in 1975 there were maybe 11 classes that did the same thing. Maybe the Veterans in Bush's inner circle can give him a heads up - oh wait a minute there aren't any. As a disable combat veteran from a family of veterans I am now telling my grandchildren - there are other ways to be of service. peace
Posted by:BigLarMay 26, 2007 9:31:25 PMRespond ^
OK One more thing...We were told we went to Iraq because Saddam had WMDs, then they said he was trying to make them, then they said we have no evidence that Saddam was ever involved in 9/11. They made it up. Plain and simple. "Fight them over there instead of here, blah blah, blah". Our military has been exploited, lied to and sent to their deaths so a relatively small number of rich people can get richer. Why can't the nay sayers and radical right wing conservatives just take a look at whats been happening? Terrorism is exponentially worse since Bush tried to make Iraq the 51st state. A true Republican knows just by observing that the Party has completely strayed from their platform. Remember fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility? It's non-existent now.
Posted by:SMay 26, 2007 10:04:44 PMRespond ^
Well said, Renato, (5/26/2007, 8:30:06). It's horrifying to think how much worse off we'd all be if all AMERICANS went along with that way of thinking.... "talking points do not equal rational thought, talking points do not equal rational thought." ..borrowed from Melba (May 26, 2007 8:20:53) PM
Posted by:YMay 26, 2007 10:18:45 PMRespond ^
As a great granddaughter of a veteran and widow of a veteran I want my grandsons to avoid serving in a killing machine.Lets save the planet and human beings instead.
Posted by:LMWMay 26, 2007 11:09:16 PMRespond ^
Let's hope that this new class of cadets are not draft dodging cowards like Dick Cheney. Nor that they will greedily trade lives for profits from the reconstruction of a sovereign nation's destruction. More importantly still we hope that they use their minds to seek the full facts first and be insistent for the truth. Let's hope that instead of yielding blind obedience to arrogant neocon bullies and fabricators they will depart from these American terrorists whose arrogance blinds them to their own theocratic and meglomaniacal ambitions.
Posted by:American CitizenMay 26, 2007 11:18:47 PMRespond ^
Mr Cheney, who obtained 5 deferments from service in the military, has no business being in the same room as any soldier. The arrogance & self-deception of Cheney is of historical proportion.
Posted by:rob rossMay 27, 2007 1:27:22 AMRespond ^
President Bill Clinton was impeached for having sex in the Oval Office and lying about it --ACCUSED, CONVICTED, IMPEACHED....High Crimes but no loss of life....The Bush Administration has told the American people and the world "false," "misleading," "untruth," stories better known as Lies -- APPROXIMATELY 3500 U.S. troops killed, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of IRAQIS killed, TENS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers missing limbs, eyes, maimed and injured physically and mentally as walking wounded -- NO ONE IMPEACHED OR CONVICTED....WOW!!!!
Posted by:JustTruthMay 27, 2007 3:58:21 AMRespond ^
Smart? Fearless? Journalism? Don't make me laugh.
Posted by:JTMay 27, 2007 5:09:07 AMRespond ^
The twin hallmarks of the Bush administration have been the egregious dishonesty and the remarkable incompetence of its officials. Vice President Cheney's comments would only be remarkable if he had in any way touched upon the truth. Repeating distortions and lies to receptive audiences is what Cheney does best. However, it is revealing that Cheney would think our Army officers incapable of distinguishing truth from lies after four years of war in Iraq. The US military deserves nothing but the truth from this or any other administration. The fact that the Bush administration has repeatedly failed the U.S. military in this respect is something these fine young officers should never forget. If that becomes the case, then Cheney will have delivered a life-long lesson upon the occasion of their commencement.
Posted by:Tim KavanaghMay 27, 2007 5:10:48 AMRespond ^
Just Truth's comments comparing Bush's black lies to Clinton's white lie are right on the money and a sad commentary on how easily manipulated the masses are.
Posted by:True RepublicanMay 27, 2007 6:24:04 AMRespond ^
They've wasted $400B on Iraq thru 2006, when Exxon's profits quadrupled to $40B. Their strategic plan has nothing to do with terrorism or patriotism: its to burn $10 of public money to give $1 to their business-buddies, who launder 15% back to help them buy another election.
Posted by:follow the money.May 27, 2007 6:27:17 AMRespond ^
Iraq and Al Qaeda are mutually exclusive. I guess Chaney has been in an undisclosed location, so he probably didn't get the news yet. Couldn't West Point find someone better than a loose canon like Chaney? I guess not. By the way, congratulations grads. Bummer about the timing though.
Posted by:TinkMay 27, 2007 6:34:20 AMRespond ^
To the dipstick who mocked the idea that of "the enemy following us home", you dumb bastard, they started it here on 9/11 by killing 3,000 Americans. They don't need to follow us, they're here, and you're on their side.
Posted by:RaoulMay 27, 2007 7:24:01 AMRespond ^
I would just like to thank "we serve with pride" writer. We have men defending our freedom and that is reality and i think our President and Vice President our very in tune to that. I am proud to be an American. As americans we have a right to be proud, if not, then seach your heart and actions, and then make a change.
Posted by:RogerMay 27, 2007 7:24:41 AMRespond ^
Yo' Tink, Iraq was shooting at Americans every day for a decade. It's called the "No Fly Zone" and the Iraq military under Saddam fired on our patrols every day for a decade. The ceasefire agreement said we were allowed enforceement patrols, yet Saddam shot at Americans anyway. You talk about negotiated settlements as a solution with these people? We that negotiated settlement wasn't worth spit. You liberals are willing to let other people die for your beliefs. American military and diplomats died during the 90's and you didn't give a rat's ass. It was open season on them but you didn't demonstrate to stop their deaths. People of color, in this case yellow, died by the millions in Pol Pots killing fields for your beliefs. Boat people, again people of color, died on the seas trying to escape the hell your policies condemed them to. For every boat person who survived, one either drowned, straved, died of thirst or was murdered by pirates. Women were raped before being killed. And you guys said the North would be magnaomous in victory. They weren't. The killed hundreds of thousands. Look up "Vietnam" and "re-education Camps" in Google.
Posted by:RaoulMay 27, 2007 7:31:00 AMRespond ^
War Freed The Slave - War Saved The Jews - Antiwar Racists Go Home
Posted by:RaoulMay 27, 2007 7:31:59 AMRespond ^
Knowing some West point grads, This is not the crowd that will blindly accept Cheney's words as gospel. Just the fact that he constantly feels the need to state his argument....tells me they might not be buying into it. Me thinks Cheney dost protest too much.
Posted by:joe d.May 27, 2007 7:47:40 AMRespond ^
Just one question. If our country was invaded and occupied by another world power, how would we behave?
Posted by:Eric TaholaMay 27, 2007 7:47:57 AMRespond ^
As a former Marine, I am absolutely against this war built on nothing but lies and deceipt. It was started for one reason and one reason only - so Bush and Co. could get their greedy little hands on Iraqi oil profits. This was what Cheney discussed in his secret Energy conference. And when Whittington started to crack, Cheney took him out and shot him in the face as a warning to any others who might be tempted to admit their crimes. These people are criminals and belong in jail. Pure and simple.
Posted by:ClayMay 27, 2007 7:54:36 AMRespond ^
To Raoul: War saved the Jews? Freed the slaves? Somebody must have forgotten to tell them.
Posted by:joe d.May 27, 2007 7:54:57 AMRespond ^
You are the man Clay...nobody has the balls to tell it like it is...it must be that good Marine training..Semper Fi
Posted by:joe d.May 27, 2007 7:57:23 AMRespond ^
From the pothead, crackheaded hollywood elite to the stupid in America the left never stops their slander. Anyone with a brain the size of a pinhead knows what's in store for America. It is a never ending conflict with a "species" that hates us and our way of life. We are evil. Therefore we must die. In many ways I do hope we come home and run. It won't be long before 9-11 looks like a walk in the park. They are here and they are waiting for the liberals to get solidly in office where they don't have to worry about getting hit if they hit us.
Posted by:the left never stopsMay 27, 2007 8:22:05 AMRespond ^
When you are percieved as killers; (650,000 est. Iraqi civilian deaths) there will always be a response from people whom also feel God is on their side. The creation of more enemies is a self-fulfilling prophecy created by our leaders' own warped sense of how the world should look.
Posted by:reasonMay 27, 2007 8:31:44 AMRespond ^
Wake me up when this nightmare of an administration is over. Repeat the same lies over and over and over again does not make them true. I just hope these future leaders of our military & our country see through his bullsh*t.
Posted by:DuaneMay 27, 2007 9:23:26 AMRespond ^
"Yo' Tink, Iraq was shooting at Americans every day for a decade. It's called the "No Fly Zone" and the Iraq military under Saddam fired on our patrols every day for a decade..." Raoul, perhaps you should look at the fact that we have been starving Iraqi women and children and keeping saddam in power through the oil-for-food program. Or the fact that we provided the chemical weapons that saddam used to murder his own people. all of this is public information -- you know new york times, washington post articles... reports by the state department... that kind of stuff. perhaps the reason people in the middle east hate our country is because we have been systematically murdering them (and many others) for decades. spend some time. look it up. and stop posting nonsense
Posted by:S.B.May 27, 2007 9:24:56 AMRespond ^
Himmler addressing the troops. The poor bastards who honor their country and do their duty even when their country is in the hands of evil lunatics.
Posted by:Richard BentleyMay 27, 2007 9:30:02 AMRespond ^
Dick Cheney went to the wrong stadium. He's a very rich man. His net worth is roughly $100M. He should be at all Hannity freedom concerts to watch and to donate money to send the kids of US soldiers killed in Iraq to college.
Posted by:LarryMay 27, 2007 9:33:22 AMRespond ^
Bush and Cheney sold the Iraq invasion based on weapons of mass destruction, principally and foremost, not al-quada; of course, there were none, so the honorable thing for them to do is resign instead of more lies.
Posted by:JohnMay 27, 2007 9:38:14 AMRespond ^
You moron.......Lincoln freed the slaves.
Posted by:Raoul go homeMay 27, 2007 9:42:30 AMRespond ^
as vet240 said ----it is a gross insult to the military that this creature should even be ALLOWED (much less requested) to speak to WP graduates/first insult was when he was made Secty. of Defense under previous bush------WHY do not MORE vet groups EVER comment on this ironci insult to those who risk their lives------
Posted by:c.alyn---May 27, 2007 9:49:09 AMRespond ^
Cheney IS our president, not Bush who cannot form an intelligent sentence. I say IMPEACH THEM ALL. and now watch google's 9/11 Justice video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-649993991751648213
Posted by:Impeach them all!May 27, 2007 9:52:19 AMRespond ^
Gotta love a man who never lets reality interfere with a good delusion
Posted by:MikeMay 27, 2007 9:54:37 AMRespond ^
I am the father of two young men who are Army officers. They also happen to be National Merit scholars. These two "zombies," as chazaroo describes them, will be the first to tell you they might not agree with chaz, but they are willing to lay down their lives to protect chaz's right to speak up and publish his/her bilious BS. The world is made up of wolves, sheep and sheepdogs. Sheep like Chazaroo hate to be reminded it's the sheep dogs--the U.S. armed forces members--who risk their lives daily to allow the sheep to sleep safely in their beds each night and regurgitate such vitriol in complete freedom. Only an idiot who knows nothing about the fine men and women who serve in our armed forces is unable to separate the soldier from the politicians and foreign policy makers who send our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines into harm's way. The more things change, the more they stay the same. This is Vietnam war era, knee jerk blame/hate the soldiers deja vu, all over again, as Yogi would say.
Posted by:StonebreakerMay 27, 2007 9:59:59 AMRespond ^
The real issue at hand is not that the terrorists have gathered in Iraq, which can be argued. But that Iraq, before the invasion was not a safe haven for Al Qaeda. The only reason they have gathered there is because the toppling of Hussein has created a safe haven. Al Qaeda is tolerated in Iraq. They want the US to stay. In fact, the US presence in Iraq is only prolonging these daily bombings. Yet the security forces that have been trained and established by the Coalition and Iraqi government have been infiltrated by fanatical Shiites. If there is a pullout of US forces, the country will very well go into civil war, if not already. The Democrats realize this. That is why they sent a bill to the president without timetables. The American public needs to be clamping down on politicians that use language which is fundamentally incorrect. Lets get to the issue at hand, properly informing the American public.
Posted by:HuxMay 27, 2007 10:07:22 AMRespond ^
all this notable philosophizing aside, haven't ANY of you noticed this nazi's interesting similarity in looks to JABBA THE HUT? (not to mention their personal style)---
Posted by:johnna-j.May 27, 2007 10:19:05 AMRespond ^
You use the word journalism rather loosely, if I wanted an opinion I'd ask my wife. Report the news and keep your left-wing opinions to yourself.
Posted by:ScottMay 27, 2007 10:23:28 AMRespond ^
dear scott--If you consider MJ "left", don't read it -----duh-----
Posted by:reggie-5May 27, 2007 10:29:27 AMRespond ^
Cheney is special, both the poster child of war profiteering and a draft dodging coward. I suspect most who have lodged supportive comments below share one or both traits, so for the true Americans reading, don't get too excited about their bluster.
Posted by:MarkMay 27, 2007 10:34:32 AMRespond ^
When I read rabid comments attacking us 'wimpy liberals' I wonder if drinking while posting should be more firmly discouraged than it is. I signed up to place myself between the Soviet Hordes and the US. We won. I went to Arabia for DESERT STORM. We won. But in countless engagements, Americans were killed that could have survived if the plan had been reality-based. Think Mogadishu; we didn't send armored personnel carriers because it would 'send the wrong message'. Then when we needed them ("Black Hawk Down") an American colonel had to put his .45 in the eye of a foreign colonel to get the use of some APC's. Going into war without proper intel, without a plan for all consequences, and without proper equipment and numbers of troops is JUST PLAIN CRIMINAL. We've known better for hunnerds an' hunnerds of years. Letting these Chickenhawks bully us into a badly planned, unnecessary war is a shame to us all. PAY MORE ATTENTION. TEACH YOUR FRIENDS AND ARGUE WITH YOUR ENEMIES. No more complacency! And hound the 'media watchdogs'! When we must fight, we must do it well and for good reason!
Posted by:John, another VetMay 27, 2007 10:52:21 AMRespond ^
whatever dud
Posted by:John A. StewartMay 27, 2007 11:04:46 AMRespond ^
We won the war against Saddam. We just weren't ready for the "war" to create a solid democracy in the heart of the caliphate.
Posted by:John HallowellMay 27, 2007 11:06:13 AMRespond ^
I just read some of the other comments, and want to say that I, along with my two sons in the military, proudly support President Bush and the USA.
Posted by:John HallowellMay 27, 2007 11:09:27 AMRespond ^
My father served with honor in WWII, fighting a war to keep evil and dictators from enslaving an entire planet. I served in the Cold War era, helping win a war we never had to fight on TV. My son is now active duty, putting his life on the line, fighting for the same freedoms his grandfather and father were willing to lay down their lives to protect. On this Memorial Day weekend, we remember all those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for a country whose virtue, nobility and freedom are unique in the world. None of us should underestimate the horrors of war. Nor should we underestimate the horrors of a world where terror is allowed to run rampant. 70% of the public understands that this war is a private enterprise for wall street and middle america and the real terrorists are not running but regrouping out of reach. By handcuffing us to the anchor of Iraq the Bu****es have effectively protected alqaeda's worldwide operations not only by tying up valuable forces but by alienating allies and potential allies and squandering the political capital of 9/11 on re-election campaigns. But seeking out terrorists in the places they are - eg pakistan and everywhere we aren't, that will remain our goal from the "Left" (hah - yeah i support equal opportunity and sex harassment laws and PC codes - naaahht!) - meanwhile the "Right" will continue pushing their children into a bait trap for terrorists, in the name of the freedum they're so willing to surrender. Freedumb costs about Tree-fitty......... GO SOUTHPARK "REPUBLICANS"!
Posted by:HateTheHateNotMyNeighborMay 27, 2007 11:13:27 AMRespond ^
Did any of you out there also hear cheney's comment to the West Point grads that they are now fighting for gdubyah. When did the Army of the USA become the private army of the president. The last time this happened on the soil of this land, the Hessians arrived at the behest of the last King George.
Posted by:CNeumMay 27, 2007 11:50:27 AMRespond ^
Before Bush was ever elected, I knew Bush and Cheney were going to start a war with Iraq. Anyone with half a brain knew the same - a vote for Bush was a vote for war. Did the songbirds who call themselves the White House Press Corps ever question the lies Bush told in the prelude to war? No. To this day, with very few exceptions, the mainstream media is nothing but a republican mouthpiece. Everyone who voted for Bush should be required to spend a few tours in Iraq stuffing bodybags and getting to know firsthand the consequences of their actions. They could take their families with them so their children could see what their parents have done. Just like good little Nazis goosestepping to the tune of their leader, those who voted for Bush have given our so-called enemies all the live-fire training they needed. Are our men and women in Iraq dying for oil? Yes. Are they dying in vain? Yes. You can wrap yourself in the flag all you want, but nothing will change the facts, regardless of the rhetoric of the criminals who currently occupy the White House. We don't need to wait for someone to invade our country. The enemy is already here and they're headquartered at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Posted by:ClayMay 27, 2007 1:11:48 PMRespond ^
Dick Cheney is a pathelogical liar. I hope the young West Point cadets can see them. But some will follow him like mice following the Pied Piper.
Posted by:J.R.E.May 27, 2007 1:12:58 PMRespond ^
It's time to stop pretending to be interested in purchasing the Bush administration dodge at this point. I imagine that these young people who are about to serve the country, and potentially die in a combat capacity very few in the Bush administration has ever, must be particularly put off by the Cheney sales pitch. It's a shame that on the day of their graduation these poor kids have to exercise great military bearing through the roll-off of lies and fearmongering from Halliburton's primary government shill. As if it were not bad enough that they are forbidden to boo and hiss appropriately at this rotten snake, no one who is more than willing to heckle that murderous old rat is permitted to attend the graduation. These officers have been trained and will go on to serve America very honorably in the Hell created by these craven cowards who reign over their heads. Many of them will wind up in some crap hole in the dessert being underfunded, underequipped, under supported, and deliberately underminded by contractors as a show of how much Dumya Bush supports the troops and loves America. No one wants to admit that we are wasting our children's lives and further breaking the American military with this futile and aggressive occupation of Iraq. So we lie to ourselves and maintain by going along with the Bush propaganda we are supporting our troops. We feed ourselves a steady diet of bullcrap about 9/11 or that they'll come over here if don't kill them all over there. We are a MOST PATHETIC NATION of naive SHEEP.
Posted by:PennyMay 27, 2007 1:56:10 PMRespond ^
I am an Army officer who has served twice in Iraq. I will not pass comment on the Vice President's remarks. However, I do wish to address the comment posted by Scott, to wit: "Report the news and keep your left wing opinions to yourself." When I enlisted eleven years ago, I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. That oath was renewed when I was commissioned as an officer three years ago. Among other things, the Constitution ensures the right of all citizens to express their opinions even--perhaps especially--opinions that dissent from the views of political leadership. To hear Scott say "Keep your opinions to yourself" makes me wonder if he really understands the tremendous importance of dissent and debate. If he does not, perhaps he is not a true American. Scott, I hope you are ashamed of yourself. Anyone who would seek to stifle the opinion of a fellow citizen cuts himself off from debate. This is not the action of a free and informed citizen. In fact, it is more like cowardice. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave. It is incumbent upon the free and the brave to look into their hearts, question the words of their leaders, and act as their heart judges. If they judge that their leaders are right, than they must follow. But if they judge that their leaders are wrong, then they must speak up. That is the heart and soul of democracy.
Posted by:ChristianMay 27, 2007 2:49:41 PMRespond ^
I SERIOUSLY doubt that Christian is an Army Officer as he claims. An officer in this military has more brains than shown by the Christian's post. Keping the left wing bias out of reporting is obviously the issue. Active duty people I know, not one would be against freedom of speech. The reason they faked the notion that it was an Army officer is that the radical left knows that the public does not respect their BS, but does greatly respect the mililtary.
Posted by:RaoulMay 27, 2007 3:11:29 PMRespond ^
To those pro-Bush zealots who demand that there be no criticism of the government: one of the few Presidents who actually DESERVED the office, Theodore Roosevelt, defined refusal to question the government as treasonous. Think about that for a moment.
Posted by:CalMay 27, 2007 3:13:53 PMRespond ^
Raoul, you obviously misread the post by Christian, ot failed to understand its meaning. As a former Marine, I swore an oath to "support and defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies, foreign and domestic". My oath didn't say a thing about supporting the president or any of his partners in crime. That's where the right-wing zealots in this country have got it all wrong. If they spent half as much time defending the constitution as they did spouting their ideological munbo-jumbo and hiding behind slogans such as "support the troops", then maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. The conservatives who started this war know that ignorance runs rampant in their constituents and they play it for all it's worth and easy get them to bite the hook with their three word soundbites. But you should never think for an instant that all of those in the military are aotomatically in support of Bush and Cheney's criminal conspiracy. Cheney gave his speech to those fresh out of the mindbending curriculum of West Point, in hopes of pursuading them that they're not about to give thier lives on a fool's errand. Let's hope that more than a few failed to take the bait.
Posted by:ClayMay 27, 2007 4:52:14 PMRespond ^
everyone is against terror, so stop the limbaugh crap. the disagreement is on HOW to fight the battle. and i'm sure the cadets are NOT zombies, the clap politly and say what an idiot in private
Posted by:steve rismanMay 27, 2007 5:13:12 PMRespond ^
Raoul, What country are you from? Go back to Vrill. I'm sorry you don't know, but the wet dream of the neoconmen is coming to an end. Truth is trouncing lies. Your rhetorical kicking, screaming and yelling will never make your misconceptions any more true because they never had any root in fact outside of neoconmens fantasy. The USA had no right to fly over Iraq and create artificial no fly zones all along raining harm on their people. Nor does the USA have any right, obligation, duty or responsibility to be in Iraq or any other country now. As an American, I offer my full apology to the people of Iraq for the greed, stupidity and evil of the US Government destroying thei country and the assault you are suffering in by our occupation. The Iraqis must protect and nationalize their oil wealth and infrastructire and boot the greedy Global oil giants who wish to again rape their people of their liquid treasure. What you don't know Raoul is the 50 year history of American and British meddling in middle east affairs to steal oil, occupy their lands, park warships in their harbors, depose their previously democratic governments and install puppet regimes. America made the way and freely traded weapons with Saddam. Our installation of the Shah of Iran lead to a backlash in which the Iatollah Hommeni came to power.We trained Osamma in Afghanistan. As Americans we must not allow the conservative chicken hawk fools to trample smaller nations,depose their governments or steal their oil.
Posted by:American CitizenMay 27, 2007 9:55:16 PMRespond ^
Support our troops who mutiny!
Posted by:Freaky Dick's ChimpMay 27, 2007 11:58:36 PMRespond ^
I am indeed an Army officer. It is interesting to me that every time a military veteran raises a point that disagrees with the rhetoric of certain self-proclaimed right wingers, those right wingers return fire by questioning that veteran's military credentials. It's the swiftboat tactic all over again. Notice I did not pass judgement on the Vice President. As an officer subject to the UCMJ, I am not legally permitted to do so. Instead, I called out the cowardice of those attempting to stifle debate. I notice Raoul is attempting to follow the same line as Scott. Here's a tip, cowards--it's not working anymore. The free and the brave know their rights, and they will not be silenced. As a veteran, I don't expect thanks for my service. It is my duty and my privilege to serve. But it does amaze me that some people can claim to support "the troops" and then turn around and attack a Soldier who does not fit into their narrow views.
Posted by:ChristianMay 28, 2007 1:17:18 AMRespond ^
As a member of a very large family of those who have been "proud to serve"...in WWII, in Korea, in Vietnam, in the first "Gulf War", AND has recently buried a graduate of West point, (top in her class, beautiful girl, wonderful heart and spirit, and loyalty abounding, and now in a freshly dug grave, at age 25)I think some of you folks should go back to the comic books. You're not ready to receive or comprehend information. You are unable to comprehend that this destruction of Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorists attacks of 9-11, and that while terrorism has in fact increased SEVENFOLD since the invasion and occupation of Iraq, our leaders obviously like all of this terrorist stuff, as long as there remain multiple bunkers for Cheney to hide in, whenever he thinks an attack is "imminent". (Remember how Saddam was planning the mushroom cloud, but he somehow missed the report....bin Laden determined to strike the U.S.?) No weapons for Saddam, (which pretty much any moron could have figured out, if they did a quick GOOGLE search on Iraq's history of prior wars, (with the US and Iran) and the history of sanctions. They could have figured out, (without much real intelligence) that Saddam didn't HAVE any weapons, and that by 2003, his army was totally broken, and he was as good as bankrupt. NO WEAPONS. NO ARMY. That's why when we arrived back then, there were NO ENEMIES to greet us. They threw up the white flag, ran off, and Saddam went into hiding. We didn't even have anybody to FIGHT when we got there. NO TERRORISTS. (feel free to view major media from back in that time.) When these graduates (from ANY military institution)take their oath, it is to the CONSTITUTION of America, including all the laws, treaties, and conventions that are represented therein. That oath is NOT to Dick Cheney, or to Halliburton, or to any of the Mob. It is an oath to the Constitution. And, there is nothing in the Constitution that requires them to violate these laws, or break their oath, just because a criminal element has highjacked our government. (of the country we love). Russell, stay off of the internet. If you get no value from knowledge, then you shouldn't be allowed to read. You can go plant a flag or something at one of the fresh West Point graves. Several have been added since we buried our own lovely girl 6 months ago. Mel, you're a moron, and you don't "sound like you're from around here". Are you an immigrant? We do very much love our country, and we are a nation of laws. The occupation of Iraq is illegal. So, when the terrorists attacked us on 9-11, we should have tried to figure out WHY they attacked us, instead of attacking another nation that had nothing to do with it. And, if Cheney really wanted to "deny terrorists a safe haven", maybe he should have gone after them where they actually were, instead of sending them an invitation to "meet us in Iraq", and giving them 5 plus years to actually form a terrorist organization. Or, why didn't he go to Indonesia, where terrorists have been going at it for years? Why not North Africa? They have Islamist extremists as well. Ah....I think I know. NO OIL. What about Saudi Arabia, where most of those 9-11 hijackers hailed from? (not to mention bin Laden himself). Why did Cheney prevent the Saudi government from reimbursing the victims of 9-11? They offered to, because they knew they were complicit...they had nurtured bin Laden, and knew perfectly well that he was a loose cannon....a psychopath bent on revenging the arrogance of the West? I have the answer for that as well. Cheney and the Bush family are intimately connected to the Saudis, and have been for decades, in the form of The Carlyle Group, and the Arabian Oil Company, which was built by Cheney and company. I think THAT might have something to do with it. So, for anyone genuinely concerned about this "terrorist" problem, maybe we should start looking for them, instead of using our own people to kill innocents in the process of stealing Iraq's oil.
Posted by:cyrenaMay 28, 2007 1:22:02 AMRespond ^
It is long past time our Military "does their duty" and abide their oath to "defend the CONSTITUTION from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC." Not defend loyal Bushies, or "protect 'Mercans," or "spread democracy." Since both a Federal Judge and The Supreme Court has found this administration in VIOLATION of the CONSTITUTION, only the Military now has the legal power to forcefully remove and arrest those already found guilty of being a domestic enemy of our Constitution. After America's first military coup, power could then be immediately turned over to the next in line, President Pelosi.
Posted by:frank1569May 28, 2007 1:40:54 AMRespond ^
Christian's facts (27th May) are correct. To them we should add the following: 1. Declassified minutes of a Kissinger world review of April 1975 reveal that for the US, Saddam was an OK guy, just so long as he was playing America's game with Syria and Iran. 2. Almost all the neocons in the present administration cut their teeth with Iran-Contra and in Central America covert operations of the mid 80s. (Tower Commission). They supplied arms to Iran, and chemical precursors and NASA target coordinates to Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war. ("White House Email" - National Security Archive of USA, published 1995). Nations and peoples suffering from such Machiavellian evils do not forget. Americans should ask themselves why, with hundreds of military bases around the world, it just isn't working any more. How much is it costing in dead human beings (mostly brown skinned foreigners), your reputation and your money? And what are you getting in return?
Posted by:A Rumsfeld "walkaround"May 28, 2007 2:25:53 AMRespond ^
Dickie C is the real harebrain behind the bloated Bush. Unfortunately, his lowly intellectual analysis is surpassed only by his malicious "greasy" NeoCON zeal to control the World. When can his cabal be sent to the World Court to face war crimes charges?
Posted by:DannyMay 28, 2007 3:47:29 AMRespond ^
Just wondering in what branch of the service Raoul served? Sounds like he like Cheney didn't serve at all. My name was my call sign in Southeast Asia. What was yours Raoul? Oh yeah. You probably wouldn't know about anything about that, would you? People like you make me sick.
Posted by:White Wolf - 6May 28, 2007 4:31:10 AMRespond ^
Bush,Cheney amd their LIkudnik neo con mentors like Wolfowitz, Perle, Bronfmann et al. must be very pleased with themselves. Mission Accomplished as far as the Iraq debacle is concerned. Create death and chaos and civil war between Muslims so that Israel can sleep more peacefully. now they move on to Iran, as the unwitting young cannon fodder gentiles (goy) graduate from West Point. What a terrible indictment of what has happened in this country that these young men are so utterly asleep .
Posted by:John J.May 28, 2007 4:38:41 AMRespond ^
What a disgrace! To have that anti-American, draft dodging, chickenhawk fascist at West Point. Benedict Arnold was more of a loyal American.
Posted by:Kevin RobbinsMay 28, 2007 4:45:07 AMRespond ^
Is Bush Orchestrating This Occupation To Achieve U.S. Corporate Control of 687.8 Billion Barrels of Middle East Oil Worth Over 44 Trillion U.S. Dollars? General David Petraeus Said, The top U.S. commander in Iraq, depicted the situation there as “exceedingly complex and very tough” Thursday and said the U.S. effort “ might become more difficult before it gets easier”. To General David Petraeus & Congress: It’s Not Complex! It’s Very, Very Simple! (Simple Fact #1 ) The Bush/Cheney Administration Invades Iraq Based On Lies To Ensure US Corporate Control of Middle East Oil Reserves & Military Industrial Profit, Installs a Democracy With Bullets & Bombs, Creates an (Oil Rich) US Backed Shia Controlled Government in Iraq, Which Will Force 6 Million (Oil Empty) Sunnis in Iraq To Choose Between Eating Sand or Setting Bombs! Oil accounts for more 70% of Iraq’s GDP and 95% of government revenue. (Simple Fact #2 ) Al-Qaeda and The People in the Middle East Do Not Hate Americans; Do Not Hate Our Freedoms, But They Do Hate, Very Much, Unfair U.S. Government Policies, Including Having Our Troops Marching On Their Sacred Land – Be It U.S. Troops or Soviet Troops! To: General David Petraeus & Congress: It’s Not Tough! It’s Mission Impossible! (Simple Fact #3 ) There is NO Iraqi Government - There are only US Backed Shia Death Squads Fighting Sunni Iraqi Death Squads! There Can Be and Will Be No End To The Civil War(s) in Iraq Until All U.S. Troops Are Removed From Iraq Because the U.S. Military Presence Delegitimizes Any Outcome! To Come To an Understanding of How Wealth and Power in Iraq Will be Shared, The Political Forces There, Must Measure Their Relative Capacity and Will! U.S. Diplomacy YES! U.S. Military Intervention NO! Support Senate Resolution S 759 IS Senator James Webb PROHIBITS THE USE OF FUNDS FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN IRAN WITHOUT EXPRESS CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL Support House Joint Resolution 14 Congressman Walter Jones REQUIRING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAN Support H.R. 413 Congressman Sam Farr LEGISLATION WHICH REPEALS THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION OF (2002) AND REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO START WITHDRAWING THE TROOPS!
Posted by:Paul Lozowsky TDAPMay 28, 2007 5:51:39 AMRespond ^
"No War is good, even if unavoidable, no peace is bad even when fragile or tenuous. War is nothing more than the garden patch where we collectively grow brutality and crimes against humanity. ANYONE , yes ANYONE including the President of the United States who initiates a premediated and pre-emptive war should be tried for crimes against humanity.
Posted by:A Critical-veteranMay 28, 2007 6:04:56 AMRespond ^
Posted by:Raoul onMay 27, 2007 3:11:29 PM I'm having trouble with your posts Raoul. And what's with the name? Raoul? Sounds like a terrorist name to me. A real American would change his name to Bubba or Lester to make sure he isn't mistaken for a terrorist. A real American would also call Cheney on trying to link the invasion of Iraq with 9/11 yet again: "America is fighting this enemy in Iraq because that is where they have gathered, We are there because, after 9/11, we decided to deny terrorists any safe haven." A real American hears those claims and be incredulous that this same bogus excuse for starting a war as the first resort is still in circulation. If you are not a vicious terrorist Raoul bent on cyber sabotage then show some respect to your fellow Americans. Remember "United We Stand."
Posted by:WesMay 28, 2007 6:11:45 AMRespond ^
"who oppose and despise everything you know to be right, every notion of upright conduct and character" That could apply to the Bush Administration as well as Al Qaeda.
Posted by:BobMay 28, 2007 6:24:54 AMRespond ^
Questions for the presidential candidates: "If the United States was invaded by foreigners who bombed, killed and crippled many thousands of civilians in a war of based on lies, then occupied with soldiers who break down doors in the night and haul blindfolded people off to unaccountable torture prisons would you collaborate with the foreigners or join the resistance and fight the occupiers to the death?" "After four years of supposedly helping Iraqis why is it when American vehicles and soldiers burn from roadside bombs, crowds of Iraqi people gather around the charred rubble, cheer and call out "Death to America” and "God is Greatest?" The war was plotted with deception and violates the Nuremberg Principles. “Does pursuing “victory” mean working for the triumph of lies, false witness and the evil of Wars of Aggression?” The majority of Americans and Iraqis want the occupation to end. The Pentagon is building permanent military bases and planning to occupy Iraq for decades. “What is the use of giving all that money to the military if they use it making enemies for the American people then demand more money to fight the enemies they make for America?”
Posted by:John MackesyMay 28, 2007 6:40:39 AMRespond ^
Cheney is a true believer in the great war against civilization he sees being waged by evildoers that hate us and all that we cherish - - there is no arguing with him, compromising with him, persuading him - our foreign policy is under his and Bush's control until they are impeached or end their terms.
Posted by:george atwoodMay 28, 2007 7:53:03 AMRespond ^
In what war has an opposition not worked 'feverishly' to develop new weapons? Do we expect our opposition to lie down and die? And are we not also working feverishly to obliterate non-proliferation treaties?
Posted by:mr.bMay 28, 2007 8:10:12 AMRespond ^
cheney broken record comments,will keep coming as our co-president is talking for the white house saving g.w. from telling more lies than he is already telling. the shame is thier are many thousands of our fellow citizens who still belive these lies. we are damded with a C - president when we need an A+ one.
Posted by:pete staffMay 28, 2007 9:14:48 AMRespond ^
If these new officers were ordered to attack American civilians, then you can be sure the overwhelming majority would comply... w/ gusto. Even if you despise the President, as I do, you have to pray that he will actually cast aside the Straussian-Trotskyist neo-con cabal, given their abject policy failures, and NOT "preemptively" attack Iran while he remains in office/
Posted by:ex-West pointer, '79May 28, 2007 9:34:25 AMRespond ^
What a sad state of affairs. Why do we allow a draft-dodger and a war criminal to address our nation's elite? I would love nothing more than to see Cheney face an international tribunal for his crimes.
Posted by:RobertMay 28, 2007 9:37:09 AMRespond ^
This Iraki affair is a training ground for terrorists. This affair is a motivation for committing atrocious acts of terror in the USA. Considering this point of view, Dick Cheney is efficiently building a wave of terror that will sweep the world. I wonder why.
Posted by:DidierMay 28, 2007 9:37:14 AMRespond ^
Mr. Cheney may love his children, but he doesn't love yours or anyone else's. It is sad that he cannot view world through clearer lenses.
Posted by:peteMay 28, 2007 9:37:51 AMRespond ^
If the vice president is still not clear why they are fighting in Iraq, then how can we see the end to Iraq war. Al Qaedah is not there, that is why US are killing wrong people all the time and hence created more freedom fighters to revenge and defend their homeland.
Posted by:ramliMay 28, 2007 11:33:54 AMRespond ^
Impeachment...impeachment...impeachment... The remedy contemplated by the founders and enshrined in the Constitution. We MUST use it! Ms Pelosi couldn't be bad as an alternative to this sad excuse for a human being.
Posted by:ecmPukeMay 28, 2007 12:00:32 PMRespond ^
The Neo-cons never cease to amaze. Hypocrisy and Greed abound. After all they are in the business of making war, and business couldn't be better! I think they have proven that they are above the law and Constitution and can do as they please.
Posted by:DisgustipatedMay 28, 2007 12:12:45 PMRespond ^
what do you expect from an American regime that has violated the Nuremberg laws that were broken by Germany and Japan
Posted by:craigMay 28, 2007 12:52:44 PMRespond ^
a group of 757 and 767 pilots got togeether 9-11 pilots for truth, as they are called and stated that it was impossible for anyone including themselves to have flown a 767 the way that hani hanjour was supposed to have flown into the pentagon hani hanjours flight instructor stated that he not only could not fly a cessna but he also found it hard to believe that he could even drive an automobile the big lie is 9-11
Posted by:darrylMay 28, 2007 12:55:48 PMRespond ^
Whats new about this? Cheney is just being the imperialist he is. The Reagan administration secretly sold arms to Iran, which was at war with Iraq, hoping to gain Iran's cooperation in freeing American hostages. The first of several mines in Nicaraguan harbors, planted by U.S. agents, was detonated. The Persian Gulf War was led by the United States. A civilian video of the arrest and beating led to criminal charges against the A U.S. Department of Defense report revealed that at least 117 naval officers could face disciplinary action growing out of sexual assaults on some 90 people at a 1991 Las Vegas convention of the Tailhook aviators group.More than 300 A huge car bomb exploded in Oklahoma City killing more than two hundred people, including approximately 24 children. The government began to disclose information about radiation experiments it conducted from the 1940s through the 70s on people who has no knowledge of them. The U.S. launched missile attacks on Iraqi military sites. The invasion of Iraq by Bush the father cost that country more than 120 billion in oil revenues, left a million Iraqi children malnourished and 700,000 dead. The objective was to force privatization of Iraq's oil reserves to benefit American oil giants. The U.S. destroyed a pharmaceutical manufacturing facility in Khartoum falsely accused of making chemical weapons. A retaliatory strike for U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States forces played a key role in NATO bombing missions against the Serb government in The U.S. Senate rejected ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which would bar nuclear weapons testing in any form. US.-bombed other countries like Iraq and Yugoslavia; tried to starve countries as in sanctioning Cuba and Iraq; aiding and abetting massacres in Timor and Turkey, and with increasing danger, Colombia; propelled IMF and World Bank income inequality and ecological devastation; advanced domestic police and prison violence that turned communities into occupied battle zones; Bush held 660 prisoners in Guantanamo, Cuba for over two years without trial or formal charge. His prisoners, several of whom were between the ages of 13 and 16, were never formally charged. They were kept in steel cages, subjected to ongoing torture, and denied access to legal counsel in opposition to Supreme Court rulings (Rasul v. Bush). His Secretary of Defense was the first in US history to have acknowledged ordering an intentional violation of the Geneva Conventions, in which Abu Ghraib prisoners are held "off the books" and hidden from the Red Cross. The United States unilaterally delivered an ultimatum demanding that Saddam Hussein leave Iraq within 48 hours. Hans Blix compared the selling of the Iraq war to the selling of a refrigerator. The Bush administration falsely claimed that Iraq had ties to al Qaida, that it was building nuclear weapons. The invasion of Iraq was a violation of international law because it was not passed by the UN, giving rein to massive protests worldwide. US forces illegally used white phosphorous in Fallujah, burning women and children to death. Iraq rapidly hurtled to disintegration under the weight of Abu Ghraib torture and abuse, the Haditha muder of 24 women and children, the Ishaqi muder of civilians, the Hamadiyah incident, the kidnaping and murder of a civilian, the Malmudihay incident, the gang rape and murder of a 14 year old girl and her parents and sister, and Mukaradeeb, the bombing and killing of 42 civilians. This is the military honor Cheney was talking about
Posted by:ANTONIOMay 28, 2007 12:56:57 PMRespond ^
Bush and Cheney were complicite in the 9/11 incidents which began as an attack, not on America, but on the World Trade Center - an attack aginst the forces who seek a "global economy", which is nothing more than a means of granting corporations access to cheap labor wherever and whenever they can find and exploit it around the world. It became an attack on America when Cheney and his black operations connections launched a cruise missile against the Pentagon. Haven't you wondered why no one has ever seen the DOT camera footage which records that particular intersection 24/7? And how about von Rumsfeld's pathetic excuse that the plane simply disintegrated when it hit that Pentagon wall with all its windows. All the passengers, titanium engines and the entire plane simply disintegrated, just like an episode from Star Trek - and no one in the press corps called him on the lie. They simply reported it as fact. We don't need to wait for an invasion. It's already here and the occupation is in full swing. Meanwhile, our Congress closes their eyes, covers their asses and lets the lies continue unabated. Bush, Cheney and CO. are war criminals and should be tried for crimes against humanity, torture, and waging agressive war. Anything less is unacceptable.
Posted by:ClayMay 28, 2007 1:55:22 PMRespond ^
we must be charitable and forgiving to Vice President Cheney; the US's failure in iraq has sent him into deep depression and mental incapacity; that's why he repeats the same trash over and over again, as if it is true.
Posted by:zilzal azziziMay 28, 2007 2:45:16 PMRespond ^
Did Cheney mention how he and his buddied never "served" and fought for "our freedoms"?
Posted by:Corey MondelloMay 28, 2007 4:19:05 PMRespond ^
"The foundation of the ethical code at West Point is found in the Academy's motto, "Duty, Honor, Country." Cadets also develop ethically by adhering to the Cadet Honor Code, which states "A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do."" http://www.usma.edu/about.asp There is one exception to this - BushCo. You have to tolerate them no matter what.
Posted by:EvilPoetMay 28, 2007 6:33:51 PMRespond ^
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Wolfowitz, Perle, Barnes, Gonzales, Ashcroft,and other violence loving neocons must be hauled in to court and tried for war crimes against humanity and violating the US Constituion. They must pay the ultimate price for their Hitler like sins against civilization and Peace. They have knowlingly and willingly lied the USA into an discretionary war, destroyed a sovereign country (Iraq) of no danger or consequesnce or threat to the USA, sent 655,000+ innocent Iraqis to their death along with 3500 American soldiers and are still bankrupting the US Treasury. Now they would like to destroy Iran. Justice screams out for all those whose innocent blood has been spilled and whose lives have been wrecked and whose treasure has been stolen. Should these bandits evade and escape punishment, then civilization itself will become a mere toy at the hands of tyrants. The Stalins, Bushes, Hitlers, Pol Pots, and other evil men will become the norm. Human rights will be trounced, peace, safety and freedom will become distant illusions, and global capitalists will rule the world at the expense of humanity.
Posted by:Justice must be servedMay 28, 2007 7:01:52 PMRespond ^
This for Raul. Raul, if you are below the age of 40 you should been in Iraq fighting in the war you believe is neccessary for our survival. If you are above the age of 40 and have children or grandchildren approaching their teen years, then you need to talk with them daily and impress on them the absolute neccessity of them joining the military as soon as they are old enough to serve.
Posted by:carroll priceMay 28, 2007 7:34:26 PMRespond ^
For some the only valuable contribution is that of blindly supporting the criminals in Washington. How ridiculous to say that it is wrong just because it is left-wing. This only shows the level of ignorance and ideological militance these people have. No wonder they agree with the reckless, arrogant, lawless and short-sighted American assumption that seemingly remains intact even after four years of catastrophe in Iraq: that the United States has the right to invade and occupy any country at all, whether or not they have ever been harmed or even threatened with harm by that country.
Posted by:JimMay 28, 2007 7:56:21 PMRespond ^
In regard to the many comments below rightfully hostile to Vice-President Cheney: "If you tell the truth, you have infinite power supporting you; but if not, you have infinite power against you." --Charles Gordon
Posted by:Bernie SchaefferMay 28, 2007 8:21:54 PMRespond ^
What we need is a new spin-off show from "24" in which the Vice President himself fends off hourly terrorist attacks, exposes conspirators in our own government, and rough handles the bad guys. I think only then will all you people understand the seriousness of the threat!
Posted by:SullyMay 28, 2007 8:55:06 PMRespond ^
nothing but liars and criminals in this white house. anyone who truly care about our troups and has half a brain will do all they can to get our troups home and to send this administration to jail.. this group is pure EVIL. they could give a sh_t about our country or our young kids dying in a cival war started by the greed and stupidity of the bush administration. now george has the means to declair himself dictator and we the people have no recourse. the republican party as a whole must pay for they or the ones that gave bush his power.
Posted by:gawcatsMay 28, 2007 11:10:12 PMRespond ^
Thank God there are a few good men around to fight the foes of freedom.
Posted by:CitizenShameMay 29, 2007 4:22:10 AMRespond ^
Based on the headline alone, MJ is "Stupid Fear-Mongering Journalism" Cheney is one of our great VPs...Thank you Dick!
Posted by:Rico PeladoMay 29, 2007 6:01:29 AMRespond ^
Men, you're lucky men. Soon you'll all be fighting for your planet. Many of you will be dying for your planet. A few of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet. They will be the luckiest of all. Who's the enemy? We know nothing about their language, their history or what they look like. But we can assume this: They stand for everything we don't stand for. Also, they told me you guys look like dorks.
Posted by:Zapp BranniganMay 29, 2007 7:13:46 AMRespond ^
They have been trained to not question authority, and if they did think independently they would not be graduation from a military school, but a liberal arts institution.
Posted by:DarshanaMay 29, 2007 9:08:29 AMRespond ^
"I had other priorities in the '60s than military service. I don't regret the decisions I made. I complied fully with all the requirements of the statutes, registered with the draft when I turned 18. Had I been drafted, I would have been happy to serve. I think those who did in fact serve deserve to be honored for their service.... Was it a noble cause? Yes, indeed, I think it was." Congressman Dick Cheney in 1989, describing his five deferments during the Vietnam War "If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein, you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Ba'athists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that govern-ment, and what happens to it once we leave?" Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney April 1991
Posted by:RobBVMay 29, 2007 9:18:43 AMRespond ^
"We believe [Saddam Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Vice President Dick Cheney March 16, 2003 "I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld May 14, 2003
Posted by:RobBVMay 29, 2007 9:27:27 AMRespond ^
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." President George W. Bush Sept. 13, 2001 *********************************************** "I don't know where [Osama bin Laden] is and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." President George W. Bush March 13, 2003 **************************************************** "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations." President George W. Bush Oct. 13, 2004
Posted by:RobBVMay 29, 2007 9:28:53 AMRespond ^
...What a tangled web one weaves! Perhaps it would be too much like right for our Vice President to say "we've got to make a bundle off ever American via no bid contracts,contrived...ect"
Posted by:Kevin LindsleyMay 29, 2007 9:28:54 AMRespond ^
Cheney is the anti-christ and all who support him will rot in hell. Impeach the bastard while we still can.
Posted by:See Dick RunMay 29, 2007 9:52:22 AMRespond ^
I've known only one West Point grad in my life, he was not a zombie. These graduates will quietly follow their orders because they are good solders, not because they believe cheney. Don't underestimate them. What they think and do remains to be seen. I trust them far more than I trust a draft dodger and an AWOL tennis hack. It will be a wonderful day when we can voice opposition to the disastrous antics of little bush/big cheney without some nut calling us a traitor. Impeach cheney first, then little bush.
Posted by:jweaMay 29, 2007 9:53:56 AMRespond ^
It is time to rethink who governs and runs this nation. Cheney is a direct desendent of Queen E.2nd.,as are the Bush crime family,and almost most of our Presidents. The 33 degree free-masons,the Bilderburghers,Illumminat,Skull&Death(Bones)The Committee of 300 etc. The Zionists,UK,World Royalists run this Country. JFK was assinated as was his brother Robert for 3 main reasons. 1)he was going to disband the CIA,2) do away with the Federal Reserve Bank and print no interest bills, 3) no nuclear weapons for Israel and even a fourth..end the Vietnam war. The CIA does not pledge allegiance to the USA,but to the UK. Tavistock Inst. formed in 1947 in the UK, has trained MIT,Stanford,Rand Corp, and every gov't institution in how to brainwash citizens in this country and around the world to do the bidding of the Rothscild's etc.etc. Wake up America and read books by those who were warning us for years. Dr.weeks on Tavistock,Dr,John Coleman,on the UK,Benjeman Freedman on Zionism. This could lead to your seeing the light we at one time had.
Posted by:Martin KaneMay 29, 2007 10:03:00 AMRespond ^
I served for 11 years in the Marines. But now that I've been against this war from the beginning and started speaking out even before Bush was even elected, the right wing says that I'm a traitor. Iraq wasn't a threat to our freedom. The real threat is in Washington and in the people who would stifle the voice of opposition. Perhaps after impeachment they'll begin to see the light...
Posted by:ClayMay 29, 2007 10:04:17 AMRespond ^
my country right or wrong. to keep it right, or when it is wrong to turn it right. and we need a 180 turn now.
Posted by:tom haganMay 29, 2007 10:37:34 AMRespond ^
Impeachment would be more ironic but a military coup would be a better suited end to an executive branch that doesn't practice the democrazy they export. I went to highschool with some kids going to west point after a PG yaer and they said Sr officers aren't following stupid orders from exec dept. because they don't want to loose soldiers to a lost cause. This is how we lost Veitnam. Just wanted to point out though that Cheney is not making a connection between Hussain's Iraq and Al Q or 911. He is using the "take the fight to the enemy" rhetoric instead so "we don't have to fight them here." this too is specious reasoning but a different argument. Another counterpoint would be that there wasn't an Al Q presence in Iraq before we invaded but there is now. Occupation of Iraq is a recruitment tool for jihadists.
Posted by:Aaron SmithMay 29, 2007 10:55:38 AMRespond ^
It's a complete mystery how that man doesn't choke to death on his own dark soul.
Posted by:Jim KaneMay 29, 2007 11:42:59 AMRespond ^
Please be civil to our military. We know that the current regime in the White House is corrupt, but the soldiers have to do what's right by them. Eventually we'll have a better set of leaders, and the soldiers will go back to doing the good that they set out to do.
Posted by:JustinMay 29, 2007 12:23:54 PMRespond ^
It is sad that we live in a country that has turned into a bunch of skinheads over the past 6 years. Ignorant, violent, and racist in all areas of politics.
Posted by:iDfyMay 29, 2007 1:54:55 PMRespond ^
I realy have a hard time understanding comments like Mel's. I am an american but I do not like where we are going under this missguided leadership. I can't believe the lies aur nation's leaders are telling and I don't hardly believe the number of gullible people that are still going allong with this, our nations worst president.
Posted by:Ron F.May 29, 2007 8:10:18 PMRespond ^
Its only fair... Dick Cheney must not be allowed to live and die a draft dodger while he sends brave young men and women to needlessly destroy Iraq and then pocket the BIG change in his Haliburton kickbacks and stock options. No. The right thing to do with/by/and for Dick as well as the other neocons is to drop them off in Iraq. They got us into this disaster. Why should our military be destroyed because of their wet dreams of power and terror towards others. Drop off the neocons and let them fight their own fight. The burden is on them and the bill for this war ABSOLUTELY must be on them. We were lied to, our soldiers were sent to die while illegals invaded our country all the while, our own government raped the treasury to pass out huge favors to global business and is planning to leave the tab on the public. No. Enough is enough. This war must stop immediately and Justice must be swift and severe on America's neocon traitors.
Posted by:Fari PlayMay 29, 2007 8:18:26 PMRespond ^
Simply Cheney is an idiot
Posted by:NapalmSteinerMay 30, 2007 12:10:03 AMRespond ^
I'm on active duty, served in Iraq, and was at West Point this past weekend for the graduation (maybe my credentials help justify my opinion). Cheney was once again spreading the fear of terrorism. Sadly, the current operations in Iraq are not making much of a defference in stabilizing the region, nor is it reducing the threat of terrorism. We are ingaged in an assymetric battlefield with no clearly identified enemy or engagement area. Until we can figure out how to engage an enemy with no uniform in a battlefield with no boundary we need to let the Iraqi's try to take control of their own situation. Not to mention that we (the US govt) is spending roughly $380 million per day to sustain operations, and we have people still homeless from hurricane Katrina.
Posted by:TonyMay 30, 2007 7:52:23 AMRespond ^
Wow! You cannot understand Dick Cheney's comments and ideas until.. YES!! He's Darth Vader without his costume! "Come to the dark side America" (or else).
Posted by:no nonsenseMay 30, 2007 10:53:17 AMRespond ^
Dick Cheney is a draft-dodging punk & chicken hawk...not only that, he is a puppet for the Rockefeller Crime Syndicate & the global Zionist crime families...they have allowed him & Halliburton to take a big cut on this Iraqi war, which is why he plays the pit bull role...but understand: Cheney is just a weel-paid stooge for these mafiosi & when he has his inevitable major heart seizure, most of the money he has stolen will be stripped from his bank accounts...what Americans must understand if they are to have any insight into the current situation is this: the world is run by Organized Crime Syndicates which include the big banking families, National Governments & multi-national corporations...Organized Crime & Governments have merged...all wars are fought for the purpose of increasing wealth/control for this Octopus...any unfortunate American families who believe that their sons & daughters are fighting for our country are in deep denial & their denial only feeds this beast that has caused every war in the 20th & 21st century...as of now, there is no America, only a Mafia criminal pyramid scheme.
Posted by:FRANK DIALOGUEJune 1, 2007 11:58:36 AMRespond ^
is the reason given for the war a lie? yes. was there a real reason to go? yes. sadam practiced genocide. He had attempted to exterminate the kurds and the marsh arabs. he was a tyrant. were we and are we lied to? yes. why wasnt liberation of the iraqi people enough? i am guessing that it is hard to justifiy a permanent occupation dead center in the mideast without a serious amount of bs.
Posted by:laneJune 1, 2007 9:13:49 PMRespond ^
MEL sign up to go to iraq!!!!!!
Posted by:patJune 3, 2007 6:47:32 AMRespond ^
It's obvious that Dick Cheney, the ultimate chickenhawk, is the one opposes and despises everything that is right, and every notion of upright conduct and character.
Posted by:Don CooperJune 4, 2007 9:05:26 AMRespond ^
I find it amazing that there are still people in America that equate the war on terror with the war for Oil (Iraq).A Sad case of denial and Deception
Posted by:John S.WingertsahnJune 12, 2007 2:02:44 PMRespond ^
They lie, cheat, and steal... If you want to go in the Military then you got serious problems.
Posted by:Buddha PuddingJune 14, 2007 4:29:02 PMRespond ^
Why should we support the troops when they don't support themselves. They gave up their individuality for nothing. Everyone says they are fighting for our freedom, but that is simply propoganda.
Posted by:Buddha PuddingJune 14, 2007 4:30:44 PMRespond ^
It is truly a shame that these fine, young, new officers in the Army are sent off into their new careers by a relic of another era, and a somewhat crazy one, at that.
Posted by:Gerry AllenJune 25, 2007 12:46:30 PMRespond ^
The most cherishable ting about the existence of the US is it's unique quality of having been founded on the principle that the free and willing exchange of the ideas and opinions of the people has merit and enough value to be the guiding force that directs the leaders of the nation. No other nation has ever grown so powerful, so quickly, with such a radical central concept. Because we have a particular 'leader' does not mean that it is in any way patriotic to blindly support their opinions. What is patriotic is for the leader to support the wishes of the common men and women who have asked them to serve in office. We are not served by lies. We are served by the military who are placed in harms way for the interests of their community at home. We are not served by people lying to the military. We are served by personal involvement in the issues of the day and a vigorous resistence to apathy.
Posted by:rational thoughtJune 25, 2007 12:51:24 PMRespond ^
Why would West Point invite a liar and traitor to the United State of America to speak at ANYTHING! How could they stand the stench of lies this traitor continues to espouse. He "outed" a covert CIA agent and the military brass just "keep on going"! Why! Doesn't anyone in Senior grade at West Point have any guts?! Do forty-nine tombstones show anything about the "man" that is Vice President! They do for me! NO RESPECT FOR THE "MAN"!!
Posted by:john bradley copelandJune 25, 2007 1:01:09 PMRespond ^
He should be impeached for his lying, warmongering, profiteering, and unconstitutional law-breaking, along with Bush.
Posted by:sloopielJune 25, 2007 1:05:31 PMRespond ^
I shouldn't be shocked that military-minded True Believers continue to swallow the insanity peddled by Cheney, that quintessential draft-dodger-cum Mafia boss. Some so blind, they will not see. We are in the midst of a Constitutional crisis unparalleled in our short history as a nation. The puppet-master of our "president" has arrogated to himself powers never enumerated, or even adumbrated, in the Constitution to which he SWORE allegiance. Where is the pussy opposition that should be voting articles of impeachment? They merely wag their fingers. Why can't our elected representatives deal with this Mafia boss -- no, WORSE than the Mafia -- THEY were actual criminals. Cheney is committing crimes under color of law. We seem to be helpless against this tidal wave of lies, lies, and more lies. Despair...
Posted by:AspasiaJune 25, 2007 1:13:57 PMRespond ^
For people so out of touch with reality, we classify as mentally ill and place them under the care of the medical profession. Cheney is just another example of the poor medical care the United States is providing members of the Bush administration.
Posted by:GeneJune 25, 2007 1:20:10 PMRespond ^
I don't know how two men such as Bush and Cheney who had not the guts to fight in a war can gather up the gall to give a rousing, "give 'em hell" speech to true, young patriots who are being sent off to fight an unnecessary war that these two cowards started.
Posted by:Bill Baker, Lt Col, USAF,June 25, 2007 1:28:47 PMRespond ^
Cheney is an embarrassment to all Americans. He does not represent us with his self serving speeches. We will be far, far better off when he is no longer on the national leadership scene. Oh if only that could be tomorrow. We have only ourselves to blame for voting for Bush twice.
Posted by:James MathenyJune 25, 2007 1:43:16 PMRespond ^
Great reporting; idiotic body politic. At West Point, no matter the guest speaker or other propaganda--at least they teach mainline Western values and history: subjects some of these commentators ought to revisit, especially regarding why the Nazis indisputably were evil, why the Pilgrims fled to America, why a Constitution and Bill of Rights must be defended to the letter against criminals who would defile everything America stands for and put us on the level of the European Middle Ages.
Posted by:mefJune 25, 2007 1:46:32 PMRespond ^
I wish that Cheney be sent to Baghdad and have to walk around with no guards. He may as well take his puppet george with him. Tell them to look for weapons of mass destruction. Then we will have the people who deserve to be in the shooting gallery present and accounted for.
Posted by:dennisJune 25, 2007 1:50:46 PMRespond ^
Did not we learn our lesson from Iran? We propped up the Shah as a puppet leader then paraded American oil companies into Iran. They kicked the Shah out and our love for each other has blossomed into nothing short of a mushroom cloud. Of course GW wouldn't understand this. Unfortunately he doesn't listen to anyone that uses more than one syllable or sentence to explain anything.
Posted by:VickiJune 25, 2007 2:00:54 PMRespond ^
Hogwash, when is this country going to demand oversight where this administration is concerned. They need to be held accountable for going into this war on a pack of lies. And by the way the Republicans that refused to hold them accountable over the last 6 years should be held accountable at the polls next year. Oh yah, they are a singing a different tune those that are comming up for relection in 08. I stopped voting for repugs when they impeach clinton. And will not vote for them in my lifetime. For all of you that listen to conservative talk radio , it will rot