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Animal Spirits

In a review of George Akerlof and Robert Shiller's Animal Spirits, Richard Posner writes:

The idea that monetary policy — raising interest rates [...] to check inflation, and lowering interest rates to check economic downturns — holds the key to moderating the business cycle, and therefore to preventing depressions as well as inflations, has been falsified. The Federal Reserve has pushed interest rates way down, but the amount of lending has been tepid and economic activity has continued to fall.

There are two problems with this.  The smaller of them is Posner's apparent contention that until now economists have believed that monetary policy alone is sufficient to prevent depressions.  This is a crude exaggeration.  The whole point of Keynesian stimulus, after all, is that it's supposed to kick in when monetary policy has reached a lower bound and has no further traction.  That would hardly even be a topic of conversation if everyone believed that monetary policy alone could solve every economic ill.

But the bigger problem is that we've really only tried half of Posner's prescription: lowering interest rates and pumping liquidity into the market during a downturn.  And he's right that it hasn't been enough.  But there's also the flip side: moderating credit expansion during upturns, something that Alan Greenspan signally declined to do during the housing boom.  If he had, though, the housing bubble wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as big as it did.  It still would have burst eventually, but the downturn would have been more modest: probably a fairly ordinary recession to be fought with fairly ordinary monetary means.

I'm generally a fan of more robust countercyclical economic policy, but our recent experience (not to mention the unbroken experience of the past several centuries) prompts a big question for people like me: How do you ensure that it happens not just during downturns, when everyone is eager for it, but also during upturns?  Part of the problem is technical — when should you intervene to slow things down? what's the best way to do it? — but the much bigger problem is purely human.  After all, no one wants to spoil a party when everyone is having a good time, and there are always a dozen plausible reasons why this time it's different and the economy is truly on a new and sustainable flight path.  And so things inevitably get out of control, sometimes disastrously so.

I'm not sure what the answer is here, though certainly a denser web of both regulatory and cultural attitudes oriented toward moderation can help a lot.  But in any case, that's the question to be answered: how do we credibly bind future regulators to pursue robust countercyclical policies during economic expansions in the face of both legitimate technical problems and the animal spirits of human nature?  Suggestions welcome.

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Posner

has always struck me as a prime example of how neo-classical economics can make intelligent people stupid.

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Posner is an idiot. Tell him

Posner is an idiot. Tell him to google "Krugman liquidity trap" for an explanation of why monetary stimulus is sometimes sufficient, and why in more serious cases you need fiscal stimulus too. Krugman is hardly the only one to talk about this, but he explains it well.

no one wants to spoil a party when everyone is having a good time, and there are always a dozen plausible reasons why this time it's different and the economy is truly on a new and sustainable flight path

That's supposed to be largely the Fed's job. Answer: get a real Fed chairman instead of someone like Alan "Bubbles R Us" Greenspan.

Additionally, get some real regulation, just like we learned was necessary during the Great Depression. Ditch idiots like Rubin and Summers (oops, the latter is back to wreak more havoc). Understand that there really is no such thing as a free lunch.

Oh, and anyone who didn't realize years ago that there was a housing bubble and that its bursting would be ugly was being willfully blind. Dean Baker was talking about it in 2002 using (as he put it) 3rd grade arithmetic.

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Interest floor

Jeez, even a schmo like me knows that the standard response is that interest rate lowering would work if we could get negative interest rates, but since there's a floor at 0, it doesn't work once you hit the floor. So, not falsified -- though certainly not verified by the current data, either. (Though a schmo like me doesn't know why the gov't can't induce effective negative interest rates by deliberately raising inflation rates.)

RobertWaldmann

In the quoted passage Posner

In the quoted passage Posner did not seem to be criticizing Keynes but rather the recent consensus that monetary policy is enough. Against this view, there would be people who think that neither the FED nor any public sector entity can improve on the market *and* people who think that fiscal policy is sometimes needed in addition to monetary policy.

ThepPeople definitely vulnerable to Posner's criticism do not include Keynes who very explicitly argued that monetary policy was not enough nor Prescott who argued that the market outcome was optimal already.
However, I think that they do include Milton Friedman, Ben Bernanke, Robert Lucas, N Gregory Mankiw, Cristina Romer, and Larry Summers. I'd say there was a very strong consensus among macroeconomists that monetary policy and institutions like the FDIC would always be enough to prevent another Great Depression in the USA. A whole lot of people have changed their minds recently.

Since I took my second economics course in 1985, the top "Keynesians" disagreed with Keynes about the need for countercyclical fiscal policy. Also, of course, monetarists thought that monetary policy was enough. Free market hardliners thought that laissez faire was enough (Lucas appears on the list because he made a passing reference to the depression and how the problem of preventing depressions was solved decades ago. Prescott does not because he argued that nothing odd happened in 1929).

Detroit Dan

Well Spoken Robert Waldmann

I guess another somewhat obvious factor is that there is a shadow banking system which needs to be brought under the control of the Fed -- derivatives and all that.

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Re the question, "How do you

Re the question, "How do you ensure that it happens not just during downturns, when everyone is eager for it, but also during upturns? "

William McChesney Martin, Jr., Fed chair from 1951 until 1970, was, famously, quoted for saying that the Federal Reserve's job "is to take away the punch bowl just when the party gets going".

as well as, "Our purpose is to lean against the winds of deflation or inflation, whichever way they are blowing."

Seems like some central bankers in our history had (or at least aspired to having) a spine.

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I've been following this

I've been following this clown Posner since law school. "Crude exaggeration" is the foundation of his whole intellectual life.

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