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The Office of the Speaker of the House emails to nominate this for chart of the day.  Sure.  Why not.  It's a good chart.  Bottom line: the public really likes the idea of having a choice between either a private or a public health insurance plan.

In case you missed it, Jon Stewart had a good riff on this last night.  His question: Why are Democrats so lame?  It's a good one!  They have a huge majority in the Senate, the public is strongly in favor of a public option, and yet....for some reason they can't round up the votes to pass it.  Hell, they can't even round up a normal majority to pass it out of the Finance Committee, let alone a supermajority to overcome an eventual filibuster.

If Democrats really do lose the House next year (about which more later), this will be why.  If they don't pass a healthcare bill at all, they'll be viewed as terminally lame.  If they pass a bill, but it doesn't contain popular features that people want — like the public option — they'll be viewed as terminally lame.  At a wonk level, a bill without a public option can be perfectly good.  But wonks aren't a large voting bloc, and among people who do vote, the public option is very popular.  So, um, why not pass it?

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Public Option

They won't pass it because they are shills for coporations. Baucus and Shumer take piles of money from insurance companies and groups. You think they want that to dry up.

Bribery money is what it is. Call it what you want, but it still is bribe money.

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Not so sure

I don't really agree. Americans want health reform, but not even a majority could really explain whether or not they want a public option--or even what it is. Heck, I'm fairly well-informed, and I didn't know much about a public option before the recent health care debate.

So yes, a lot of polls show that people support it, but other polls show that support slips if you phrase it differently--and regardless, it's not like people are clamoring for it.

So lawmakers feel like they have a lot of leeway to take into account--quote-unquote--other considerations.

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"So, um, why not pass

"So, um, why not pass it?"

apparently you've forgotten how congress works?

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Its Not Democrats. Its the Constitution

The problem isn't "lame Democrats." It is the constitution.

In the House, health care reform that includes the popular public option has already passed. And this makes sense! The House is the branch of our bicameral legislature designed to directly represent the people. As such, the vote in the House roughly reflects public opinion on reform.

The Senate, by contrast, was designed to represent the states and not the people, and as such is not even remotely representative of the will of the people. By design, it allows the very narrow interests of very small states to block the majority opinions of the people living in much larger states. That, and not some reference to "lame Democrats," explains the problem. Make the Senate more representative, or better yet get rid of it entirely, and the problem would almost entirely go away.

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financial success trumps public welfare in America

Democratic legislators are motivated to not support legislation that is very popular amongst their constituents. One might think they are putting their political careers in jeopardy, but they are securing their financial futures instead. A secure financial future is a greater guarantee of political success than doing good works in America. Disappointed large voting blocs can be overcome with large ad buys.

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Why not pass a public option?

The Democratic Party does not exist to form public policy. It exists to make the world safe for Republicans.

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Well c'mon. You're a Dem

Well c'mon. You're a Dem right? Ask someone whether you are lame or not.

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The Democrats are very far

The Democrats are very far from "lame." On the contrary, they know exactly what they are doing: which is to promote the interests of wealthy corporations. Today's Democratic Party is a right-wing organization. Period. They are doing exactly what they're paid to do. The "lame" ones are those who, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, continue to believe that this is some sort of progressive organization, or that they care in the least about the people. One really wonders what it will take for the apathetic minority who continue to aid and abet these criminals will wake up and face reality.

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Tweedle dee dee and tweedle dee dum

Repubicans and Democrats, just two corporate shills that in any true representative democracy would be one conservative party. And this "big tent" strategy is a sham. The reforms won and maintained in Europe and Canada were won by multi-party coalitions of the left and center. Further, under their parlimentary systems, the critical nature of the pending health care vote would determine whether this government survived or fell. They don't wait four years for retribution against a failed government.

And they told you that the US Constitution was superior.

“To turn your back on the corrupt Republican Party and the corrupt Democratic Party---the gold-dust lackeys of the ruling class----counts for something. It counts still more…to join a minority party that has an ideal, that stands for a principle, and fights for a cause.“ Eugene Victor Debs from his 1918 speech at Canton, Ohio for which he was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison in this “the land of the free”.

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But wonks aren't a large

But wonks aren't a large voting bloc, and among people who do vote, the public option is very popular. So, um, why not pass it?
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Because, um you are citing national opinion polls, and senators and representatives who poll this question in their individual states and districts don't get the same results. Matt Yglesias can't seem to figure this out either, so maybe you shouldn't feel so bad

Plus what MuckrakerAP said upthread. Ask five people what the public option is and you'll get six different opinions

Plus poll after poll shows that 85 - 90% of people are happy with their healthcare, they'd just like to pay less for it. Doesn't seem to be working out that way with proposed legislation

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public option

I have to agree that most people who don't spend a lot of time looking into such things (read: most people) aren't really clear on what a "public option" is.

What I see is a giveaway to insurance companies in the form of a mandate that supposedly takes away from insurance companies by giving people an option of using government insurance. Uh huh.

I think the only real solution is single-payer. We already have VA medical, we have medicare, we have the plans that our congresscritters enjoy. Surely a simple hybrid of currently functional systems isn't that complicated.

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Just the same, would the

Just the same, would the people really be so lame as to give power back to the Republicans just to punish the Dems for being lame? If so, then the lame people are getting the lame representatives they deserve.

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a bill without a public option can be perfectly good.

Yes, and no. If we had a legislative environment that would allow very strict regulation on the insurance industry, then yes, we wouldn't need a public option.

But that's not what we have is it?

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Whosits whatsis whereinthe...

If 80-95% of the public are happy with their insurance, then it's probably they haven't gotten sick and tried to use it for anything very expensive.

Somehow I suspect those without insurance are a lot more dissatisfied than those with insurance are satisfied. Something like 15% of Americans have no insurance.

15% of 300M ==> 45M don't have insurance
300M-45M ==> 255M have insurance
80% of 255M ==> 204M think they are satisfied with their insurance

300M-204M ==> 96M people have no insurance or are unsatisfied

That's a lot of people to ignore, though I suppose Congress is capable of it at times.

Better would be to try to make the 204M happier and provide an option to the other 96M to possibly make them happier.

If only some so-called conservatives weren't more interested in making a few hundred special interests ecstatic (by killing as much of the reform as they can).

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Re the happy 204 million,

Re the happy 204 million, 202 million of them are distinctly dissatisfied with the fact that if they lose their current job they are toast financially. Think they have forgotten that? That's why that survey is ridiculous, and it should be shouted out as such.

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The idea of a "states'

The idea of a "states' rights" approach to the public option seems worth pondering seriously. Let Texas and its ilk opt out of allowing that option for coverage to be seen by their residents by way of a referendum. Of course, the entire northern tier excluding a few Western states with about a 100 people without question will allow it on the respective exchanges. And does anyone think a Louisiana or Georgia governor will be the one associated with a pop-up message on the exchange web site which says, "Sorry, the public option [which can be bought at less cost in most other states] is not available to residents of Louisiana (etc.)"? Let the GOP fight its (losing) battles in a score of state capitals.

It will be national.

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If the people want a public

If the people want a public option, it is probably because it sounds like free money. It's how you phrase a poll question sometimes. Ask the majority of Americans who are happy with their employer provided plans if they would support a big tax increase to pay for subsidizing the care of uninsured and illegal aliens, and, voila, 85% disapproval of a public option.

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Duh

Why? Because they ARE terminally lame!

Seriously -- is there any doubt that they are?

They would throw any of us under a bus for an extra $1000 campaign contribution. (The Republicans would do it just for fun.)

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Must. Look.

Must. Look. Forwards.

MustNot. Look. Backwards.

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some far part of the weirdo gene pool

When Republicans start crying Democrats will do anything to make them shut up.

It's like when you can't figure out why your baby just seems like he's from some far part of the weirdo gene pool and ten years later you discover there was a mix-up at the hospital.

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Democrats are the minority

Democrats are the minority friendly corporate party.

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Why "Blue Dogs" are from small, rural states

There seems to be a belief that rural states with low populations are more conservative. So the so called "Blue Dog" senators are representing their constituents by trying to sabotage health reform and especially the public option. But not so fast! The unspoken reason is that small state senators are cheaper and the health insurance lobby shops wisely. A senator from California would need to buy enough TV time to offset misrepresenting 36 million people. That's 50 times the cost of comparable damage control in North Dakota.

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My former professor Ed Tufte

My former professor Ed Tufte used to complain about charts like this, and with good reason. Note that the bars are three-dimensional. Why? Because they look bigger that way. Sure, Pelosi's office wants them to look big. But the plain-vanilla 2-D version might look equally impressive, and be more accurate.

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It's the influence of Big

It's the influence of Big Money--pharma, health insurance corps, etc.--coupled with a politiician's overriding hunger for re-election.

Until we have real election campaign reform--gov't run and subsidized--wealthy individuals through their Corps and PACs will have undue influence; unions represent millions of people so they might be treated differently. Also gerrymandering is rampant, meaning incumbents have a great advantage over challengers.

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The comments from Alex

The comments from Alex Whalen and Urban Legend are the only one that makes sense to me. Please read them and respond.

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