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Reforming the Senate

Back in July, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) put a hold on Thomas Shannon, President Obama's nominee for ambassador to Brazil. Why? Not because he was unqualified or anything like that.  It was because Shannon once questioned the value of import tariffs on sugar-based ethanol (mostly from Brazil).  This is heresy in the corn state of Iowa.

In the end, the White House groveled and Grassley relented. But now there's yet another hold.  Sen. George LeMieux (R-Fla.), who has had six months to cogitate over Shannon's qualifications, says he's placed a hold on his nomination so LeMieux can “discuss my concerns” and “fully vet” him.  Uh huh.

LeMieux can do this because the Senate rules let him.  Just like the Senate rules allow 40 members to block any legislation they want. Earlier today, Matt Yglesias wrote about whether anything can be done about this aside from whining about it in blog posts:

The answer is that yes there is. Key elements of Senate procedure have been altered repeatedly throughout history and there have been failed efforts to do it that might have worked had folks been a bit more determined.

What’s missing right now is any sign from anyone politically important of any interest in turning up the heat. As Chris Bowers explains here it seems to be possible in practice for 50 Senators backed by the Vice President to force basically whatever procedural move they want. Traditionally, that’s not the way things have worked. Instead, having key people talk seriously about going this route has produced a political crisis and encouraged people to cut a deal. That’s how the filibuster got pared back from 67 votes to 60 votes. And it’s also how, as recently as 2005, Senate Democrats were persuaded to relent on several judicial filibusters.

But I’ve seen no sign of a serious public campaign of pressure from Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or other leading figures to delegitimize this minoritarian obstruction.

Ah, but here's the thing: not only does it take pressure from the Democratic leadership, it also takes 50 Democratic votes.  That's the hard part.  This is just a wild guess, but I'd say that if Team Obama tried to push hard on eliminating the filibuster, they'd get no more than 30 or 35 votes on their side.  Maybe 40.  Even among the majority party, there just isn't very much support for doing away with a procedure that everyone knows they might want to use themselves in the foreseeable future.  Most senators, I think, are far more interested in being assured they can block legislation they dislike than they are in being assured they can pass legislation they favor.

But what about holds?  I'd say there's good news and bad news here.  The bad news is that, if anything, the hold process is nearer and dearer to senators' hearts than the filibuster.  It gives them lots of individual power, lots of authority over home state appointments, and lots of bargaining clout.  It's a personal prerogative that very few of them are willing to give up.

But — I wonder if there isn't some kind of deal that might be made here?  The Shannon case is a good example of abuse gone wild, as is the fate of many of Obama's judicial appointments this year.  Senators aren't likely to give up their power to place holds entirely, but it's possible that a concerted effort might gin up support for a bit of reform.  Maybe stronger limits on the number of holds (so that Grassley and LeMieux couldn't both put a hold on the same guy, for example) or stronger limits on how long holds can last.  The appointment process has become a swamp over the past couple of decades, wasting both the Senate's time as well as preventing the executive branch from operating in a reasonable way, and there just might be enough senators who recognize that to want to do something about it.

In any case, the abuse with holds is more obvious (one guy vs. 40) and the slowdown more routine than it is with filibusters, so it seems like that would be the place to try to put together some kind of reform effort first.  I'm not holding my breath or anything, but I could see this becoming a big enough deal that eventually there's an opportunity to make some change.  Even some Republicans might buy in.

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Recess appointments?

What happened to recess appointments? If Obama goes a year without filling some positions, just fill the posts. The Republicans will kick and scream but this is one of those inside baseball things that no one gives a crap about.

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Kevin, as I commented on

Kevin, as I commented on Matt's blog: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/11/parliamentary-procedu... (and following), I really feel you (and Matt, and Ezra, and David Roberts @ grist.org) can do better here than saying "we don't have the votes" and moving on. Changing the Senate to be more majoritarian is the current obstacle to HCR, to tackling climate change, to doing what the country and the world need done. If it is worth your full-time work to analyze the problem, surely it is worth some of your time to start working on a solution. The woods we need to cross are dark and thorny but damnit we need to cross them and you are one of our leaders. Please start exploring possible solutions. I've been reading you for years and I can think of few contributions you've made that would be as valuable as even a small step towards SOLVING this problem, not just re-re-restating it.

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Slowly

The problem with the 50 vote plus VP route, if I recall, is it only can apply at the beginning of the 2-year term and requires the precedent that each Senate starts new, rather than inheriting the procedural rules of the past. That would open a big can of worms. The only way the 67 vote requirement was reduced to 60 was by having 67 votes, most of whose minds were focused on civil rights issues. But the reality today is there's no one issue comparable to civil rights in its ability to rally the forces around changing the rules. Anyone who has been in the Senate the last 8 years knows the advantages of having the filibuster weapon handy.

As for holds, it's a question of comity. Might be a way to time-limit them, but again it's doubtful, since it reduces the power of the individual senator, and senators don't like to give up power.

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Yes, but....

I agree with most of Kevin's points, but have to correct one factual error: Lemieux hasn't had six months to vet Shannon, because he only joined the Senate in September as Mel Martinez's replacement.

Still a douchey thing to do, though.

Greg in FL

Anything LeMieux does, think Crist

Former Crist Campaign Chair LeMieux is only there keeping the seat warm for Kick-the-can Charlie. Must be some campaign quid-pro-quo going on.

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And actually...

On second thought I wonder if the Senate should be changed right now. I'm thinking of the Tea Party crowd -- if unemployment keeps climbing and the wingnuts ride a populist wave to real power, I want that slow, frustrating Senate just as slow and frustrating as ever.

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Part of It

"Even among the majority party, there just isn't very much support for doing away with a procedure that everyone knows they might want to use themselves in the foreseeable future. Most senators, I think, are far more interested in being assured they can block legislation they dislike than they are in being assured they can pass legislation they favor."

But that's the minor part. The filibuster makes every Senator's vote potentially as valuable as vote number 60 -- on both sides of the aisle.

This is even more true for the various secret holds.

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The magic number for the

The magic number for the filibuster wasn't always at 67 either, it wasn't dropped to 67 until a couple of pacifists bollixed up the nation's business trying to keep us out of WWI.
If Obama gave Biden orders to talk some sense into these peacocks we might get something done. He should make this an issue in the 2012 campaign - the only way we can get real change is if Obama says his re-election will be a mandate to reform the process, and then he crushes Romney or Pawlenty or whoever the Repubs put up.

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They are actually the same thing

If I understand things correctly (I'm pretty sure I do) there is no such thing procedurally as a hold. What a hold basically is is a threat to filibuster.
Senate rules allow for unlimited debate, which can't be stopped without a cloture both, but even that takes at least a week to get an actual vote even if you have the votes (you can demand some debate time before and after the cloture both when voting in the actual bill and on the motion to proceed on the bill).
Most of the times, the Senate limits debate time through unanimous consent. In important and controversial bills, that doesn't happen and the majority takes the necessary debate time to break the filibuster.
In lesser bills, as the appointment of an ambassador, the Senate can't bother taking an entire week just debating that, so if a single senator opposes unanimous consent, the bill doesn't come to the floor. That is a hold, so you can't get rid of it without changing the rules governing filibusters.

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filibuster

Why does the filibuster have to be eliminated ? Why not modify it as follows: first time around, it takes 60 votes for cloture. Then, after a period of, say, three weeks, a second vote would require 57 votes for cloture. After an additional three weeks, the required vote count goes to 54. Finally, after a final three weeks, a simple majority passes the bill. This scheme gives the minority nine weeks to convince the majority to abandon or seriously modify the legislation.
I would further suggest that calls for a cloture vote could be called at any time during the nine weeks, subject to the vote requirements in force at the time of the vote.
To the minority party, I would suggest that if nine weeks is not enough time to persuade, the minority should endeavor to win more seats in the next election.

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Only the majority

Seems to me that it is always the majority that talks about reforming these kinds of Senate rules. But, as mentioned above, they don't pursue it because they know that some time in the future, the coin will flip again.

In other words, this is meaningless noise.

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dumb senate rules

What about the fact that the "filibuster" rules don't require actual filibustering anymore?

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repeat ad nauseum

Every time the Dems come into power, we go back and forth about killing the filibuster and then we say "oh no, but what if we need to use it?" Then our time comes back in the minority and we let the Reps do whatever they want without filibustering for fear of being called obstructionists.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

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