And the Rand Played On
The Going Galt movement protests Obama with a collective shrug.
LAST OCTOBER, three weeks before the election of Barack Obama, Helen Smith decided she'd already had enough. A forensic psychologist, wife of so-called Blogfather Glenn "Instapundit" Reynolds, and herself a blogger for the conservative Pajamas Media network, Smith liked what she'd heard from Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher, who had questioned candidate Obama's plan to repeal the Bush tax cuts for people making more than $250,000—despite being in no danger of earning anything near that much himself.
Something about the semi-employed, blue-collar media darling reminded Smith of John Galt, the mysterious industrialist hero of Ayn Rand's 1957 novel, Atlas Shrugged. Fed up with the federal government's confiscatory economic policies, Galt urged his fellow "producers" to go on a "strike of the mind" to starve the "looters" who were redistributing wealth to the "moochers." Smith asked her readers to come up with ways to "go John Galt"—that is, "cut back on what they need, make less money, and take it easy so that the government is starved of funds."
Since then, "going Galt" has become, as the Cato Institute's Will Wilkinson quipped, "a certain kind of libertarian-conservative's version of progressives threatening to move to Canada." After all, if right-wingers are no longer in a position to shrink government to the point where, as Grover Norquist once proposed, they can "drown it in the bathtub," they can still take their rubber duckies and go home.
Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, and California Rep. John Campbell have endorsed the virtues of dropping out. C. Jeffery Small, the founder of go-galt.org, one of several hastily designed Galt-themed websites, has urged patriots to put the "fear of Galt" into members of Congress by burying their offices in copies of Atlas Shrugged. Small initially resisted sending the books through the post office, "it being a government agency," but decided it was okay to go postal when his wife pointed out (falsely) that the USPS loses money on every item it handles, making the book bombardment a "covert 'John Galt' action to help further bankrupt the government."
For paranoid free-marketers, the plot of Atlas Shrugged captures our current moment with spookily prophetic accuracy. Over the course of the 1,000-plus-page epic, the US economy collapses as the government imposes restrictive regulations with magnificently absurd titles such as the Anti-dog-eat-dog Rule. The rich, led by Galt, revolt and head to the hills (actually, a valley called Galt's Gulch). In the final scene, having defeated the looters and moochers and delivered a fiery 56-page monologue in defense of capitalism, Galt gets his reward in the form of luscious railroad magnate Dagny Taggart. As the lovers bask on a mountaintop, Galt draws the symbol of the almighty dollar over "the desolate earth."
In a moment when predatory bankers and arrogant CEOs have been revealed as the real looters and moochers, could there be a less likely folk hero than Galt? And could there be a less relevant economic guru than Rand, whose Objectivist philosophy equated unfettered capitalism with absolute morality? Yet Rand has never been more popular. During the first four months of this year, sales of Atlas beat 2008's record, when 200,000 copies flew off shelves.
A Russian émigré who came to America hoping to work in Hollywood, Rand rejected communism but adopted its utopian, dominating aesthetic. (Her reverence for capitalism was so great that at her 1982 funeral, a 6-foot dollar sign was placed next to her coffin.) The heroes of her novels were the people who designed buildings and railroads, managed finance and industry—though Rand herself produced little more than words. Her books have often been met with dismissal, if not outright scorn, by many who write and read for a living: When I emailed a handful of fiction writers and book review editors for a piece I wrote on Rand a few years ago, 100 percent of them worked the word "asshole" into their responses.
Rand's bombast has always held more appeal among would-be Masters of the Universe than bookish parasites. Perhaps the best-known member of Rand's inner circle—officially, and perversely, dubbed the Collective—was a young economist named Alan Greenspan. As the head of the Federal Reserve for two decades, he embraced his mentor's belief that markets work best when corporations are free to pursue their own selfish interests. We know how that story ended. Other avowed Rand fans include Hugh Hefner, Clarence Thomas, and Wikipedia cofounder Jimmy Wales. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are rumored to be involved in a film version of Atlas, though it's unclear what draws the Hollywood do-gooders to a writer who famously rejected the "morality of altruism."
Objectivism's tendency to attract unlikely fellow travelers is also evident in the grassroots elitism of the Go Galt movement. For starters, Rand, a pro-abortion atheist whose characters scorned monogamy and procreation (as did she), had little in common with most conservatives besides her hatred of Big Government. And she had little use for mainline libertarians, whom she disparaged as "hippies of the right." Not to mention that the Galters are trying to build a populist movement around a character who fundamentally opposed populism in all its forms.
This contradiction has forced the Galters to improvise. Some have combined survivalism with what resembles a small-is-beautiful, progressive ethos. One Malkin reader reports, "I'm no longer buying retail, driving out of a 10-mile radius, spending money on eating out, and am no longer putting my money in a savings account. I am using the money to pay off all of our debt." A commenter on the Going "John Galt" website suggested that going Galt might mean planting a garden. ("You obviously don't pay taxes on tomatoes you grow.") Could some Galters be going green without realizing it?
Helen Smith also seems thoroughly confused about what constitutes the phenomenon she first identified. She's written approvingly of a commenter who thought that stiffing waiters to "redistribute" tip money to the homeless was a sensible way to deprive the government of revenue. When she spotted more middle-aged men hanging out at her local spa, she took that as a sign that the producers were starving the beast by slacking off. It's hard to imagine Galt plotting revolution from a sauna. But then, Smith admits that she had to consult CliffsNotes to refresh her memory of Rand.
Of course, if taken to its logical extreme, going Galt means embracing a situation commonly known as unemployment. Presumably, very few of the 13.7 million Americans who are out of work are so out of allegiance to Rand. So far, none of the most vocal Galters have taken that committed step. The creator of goingjohngalt.org took a break from blogging about the benefits of withholding one's contributions to society to put up an ad seeking work as a programmer.
The reason that few—if any—of the Galters have actually followed through with their threat to let the system stagnate without their contributions is that most are not exalted producers who run "the motor of the world." They're not Galts nor moochers but ordinary Americans (and a few loudmouth pundits). Like Joe the Plumber, they suffer from the delusion that by identifying with people more powerful than oneself, one might magically become them.
Rand's particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed. This topsy-turvy philosophy has echoed through the blame-the-victim ranting of CNBC host Rick Santelli and the tax-day tea parties. In this world, it is not possible to admit that the rich and the Republicans may have been undone by their own greed and cluelessness. Instead, the Galters have rewritten the story of how we got here with a dash of idealistic fantasy and a side of empty rebellion.
Yet as the initial enthusiasm for going Galt has faded, the idea has proved a convenient way to explain just about any economic indicator that seems not to be going Obama's way. The ever-reliable Instapundit speculates that the frozen credit markets have in fact gone Galt; another blogger attributes falling federal tax revenues to Americans emulating Galt (not losing their jobs and investments). From the bottom of Galt's Gulch, collective misfortune has been spun into a triumph of the individual.
Great article! These two
Great article! These two lines were hilarious:
Not to mention that the Galters are trying to build a populist movement around a character who fundamentally opposed populism in all its forms.
Like Joe the Plumber, they suffer from the delusion that by identifying with people more powerful than oneself, one might magically become them.
People don't care about the
People don't care about the fictional charactor, they are just tired of working overtime to pay for the deadbeat losers our goverment wants to reward with our hard earned money, with no care for the future of this Great country!
I know which ones you mean...
The losers you refer to would be the ones that lost their savings in the crash and got laid-off by the ensuing recession, right? The damn moochers, thinking they deserve to not have their money stolen! /sarcasm
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Calling bankers "deadbeat losers" is harsh, but true. You are correct, let's stop paying off TREASONOUS Bankers. Let us put them on trial for Treason, for the damage they have done is that Great. "Law & Order" is not just for the poor you know.
RE: People don't care about the fictional charactor?
Yes, just who are these deadbeat losers? I'm quite curious myself because the only deadbeat losers I have seen over the last twenty plus years are Republicans who have raised our taxes and spent us nearly out of existence.
I mean how do you cut taxes on the rich, turn a surplus in to a deficit, grow the government and hire your fellow incompetents to run it, turn your back on regulation and screw over millions of Americans including retirees as they watch their retirement savings go down the drain, and leave the economy in shambles. Then have the nerve to say, I did my best? WTF!!!
I'll tell you what workers are tired of and that was a Republican run government who actively and openly worked to destroy them and their families by whoring themselves to special interests.
Helen Smith has written
Helen Smith has written approvingly of a commenter who thought that stiffing waiters to "redistribute" tip money to the homeless was a sensible way to deprive the government of revenue.
Her and Oprah both. You are depriving the waiter of their income which directly hurts that individual while you attempt to deprive the government of revenue. I wait tables in Texas. Your base pay is $2.13 and hour. Tipping is the main source of a waiters income. When you do not tip the restaurant still makes their money, the waiter is the one who suffers. If service is bad then you should not tip 15 to 20 %. If you want to get money taking off your bill complain about the food not stiff the server. It is not okay to not tip a waiter because the economy has slowed. Oprah stated it is okay to tip 10% because the economy has slowed. I do not know about you but I can not afford to take a 5% pay cut because one of the wealthiest women today thinks I should. Maybe Oprah should donate 5% of her yearly income to the homeless. Maybe she already does but I do not. She made 385 million in 2008. She might not notice the 1.9 million but I make around 25K while putting my self through school. I will miss the $1,250 or 5% Oprah feels I and other service industry personal should give up. Tip money should not be given to the homeless. They did not work for it, I did.
5% paycut?
That's not a 5% paycut, that's a 33-50% paycut. If people cease tipping 15-20% and begin tipping 10%, the waiter's tip income declines by 1 - (10/15) = 33% or 1 - (10/20) = 50%. It would be an absolutely crushing blow to people that live on tips as most are already just barely getting by.
Speaking of tips...
My question is why is someone making a living on tips? I hear waitresses and waiters complain about their base pay and how we "should" pay tips to them. Why? If you don't like the base pay, get another job...better yet, get an education and find a job that pays more than minimum wage.
When it became "socially responsible" for diners to pay tips, and restaurant owners got out of paying minimum wage? I did not see the cost savings the restaurant owners got being passed on to the diners. Now I pay more for my meal. I pay the restaurant and the waiter. When did she/he become my employee?
She/he became your employee
She/he became your employee the minute you sat down at your restaurant table. If you can't afford to pay the person who serves your food, then you can't afford to go out to eat. Further, it's simply unwise to make a habit out of screwing your servers. Take it from someone who used to work in the industry: if you get THAT reputation, there's no telling what could end up in your dinner.
tipping & ingnorance
Receiving a tip is not a right so what the whether the customer decides to leave a tip with the waiter/waitress or give that same amount to a homeless person is entirely up to them.
So many responses and mentioning’s in the article about all our current woes being the fault and failure of capitalism is false. We are and have been so far removed from a free market that it is only out of ignorance that someone could blame the current financial crises in this country on free markets or capitalism. For free market to work we need the markets to be allowed to determine prices. This cannot happen as long as there is a federal reserve price fixing interest rates nor can it happen with an oppressive tax code that encourages mal-investment into things such as housing or spending now rather than saving.
Also, how dare any of you mock someone for wanting to keep the fruits of their own labor. To deny them that would be to enslave them, which is what we currently do. Do you really feel comfortable taking money from someone else in that way?
Re:And the Rand Played on
This is what you call smart, fearless journalism? No wonder your entire profession is circling the drain.
Too bad you couldn't follow up tour moderately bright title with anything of substance.
"When I emailed a handful of fiction writers and book review editors for a piece I wrote on Rand a few years ago, 100 percent of them worked the word "asshole" into their responses."
What complete and utter bullshit. Yep, journalism at it's finest here at Mother Jones.
It sounds like you might be
It sounds like you might be one of the people the article is talking about and it hurt you feelings. I also can't help but think of the word "asshole" when I think of Rand and her writing.
It's funny, whenever I think
It's funny, whenever I think of Ayn Rand, the first thought I have is "mediocre," followed by "mentally ill." To each his own!
If Rand was "mediocre" and
If Rand was "mediocre" and "mentally ill," what does that make you? YOU have most likely not penned multiple classic novels nor will you have a posthumous following.
Ayn Rand saw it all, including all your hypocrisy and lies.
To the self-satified writer who said:
>> It's funny, whenever I think of Ayn Rand, the first thought I have is "mediocre," followed by "mentally ill." To each his own!
I couldn't have put it better myself. Of course, you were using adjectives to describe your own thoughts, not Ms. Rand right? I bet you showed your post to your leftists friends and got a hardy pat on the back though didn't you? They probably didn't notice the accidentally accurate wording.
Watching the leftists on this site discuss Ms. Rand is just a joke. The world we'd have if she was followed would be one of abundance, including for those downtrodden you claim to champion (but have to be kept down or the Left will have no customers). The world we'd have if (and maybe when) you're fully listened too is a totalitarian leftist big brother state of economic depression and death. But you are the "good" people because you claim your intentions are good. Well, they're not, you just want people (your vapid friends) to say you're "good", and reality matters not just intentions anyway. You are death merchants, and Rand believed in life.
But enjoy your snarky holier than though leftist circle jerk.
And the Rand played on
I believe your criticism is too harsh. I read the book about 5 years ago and my conclusion was "this is a pile of crap." The author really turns reality upside down, by painting the rich and powerful as victims. Rand is an apologist of the ultimate greed and selfishness. I doubt any society can function properly, when everybody takes care of his/hers own interests only. Just look at countries where rich people don't pay taxes: Mexico, Egypt, Honduras, Russia, India, Brazil. Tell me if you would like to live there, in constant fear of robberies, home invasions and kidnappings. Countries where you can't find an educated work force to develop the economy and run the 21st. century plants.
You have no idea how bad a Galt world would be.
This article is full of the
This article is full of the usual inaccuraccies and smears.
For one, Greenspan betrayed Objectivism and laissez-faire long, long ago. A capitalist he was not, but enemies of capitalism insist as portraying him as one just to discredit both Rand and free-market economics.
"The heroes of her novels were the people who designed buildings and railroads, managed finance and industry—though Rand herself produced little more than words." 'Little more than words'? Is that all a novel is? Is that all a philosophy is? You can't concieve that just as much intellectual work goes into creating a novel as goes into creating a factory?
"Rand's particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed." The wealthy and talented are not oppressed by government and envied or hated by much of the public? You know they are - and that is morally 'topsy-turvy' to say the least.
Without using rhetoric to
Without using rhetoric to cast philosophy as action, it is just words. Surely, a certain amount of energy is expended over time in the process of thought and the necessary energetic overhead involved in keeping a human being alive long enough for them to write a 1000-page novel, so it isn't easy, but in the final analysis it's just words and work; leaving out such philosophers like Sartre or Genet who actually lived what they wrote.
Your life itself is a philosophical endeavor, so that what is thought is what is done. When people think thoughts of action and then do something else, it's an absurd joke. What this article aptly points out is that some Americans are beginning to associate with a philosophy that will never have anything to do with them.
All this nonsense about morals is stupid, too. Morals, morals, morals. Whatever. It's an arbitrary construction, no matter how you dress it up. Rand talks about the oppression of the few by the many as if it's somehow hindering human progress. It's Nietzsche's idea anyway. The point is that these philosophers just don't know the real result of their thinking, but they have all the confidence in the world. They aren't scientists and they never tested their words, and that's why it's scary. The truth is that 99% of our gene pool is regarded as rubbish, "moochers," by Rand, and anyone who agrees with what she says. But people aren't just "wealthy," or "talented," or otherwise just genius. People are complicated constructions that change from generation to generation. Genius comes at uneven intervals. Many of the greatest thinkers of human history have been born into poverty. For someone to regard monetary wealth is the sole measure of a human being's genetic viability is to miss the whole fucking landscape for a dollar bill in the bottom right-hand corner. It is, in so many words, forsaking the future by disregarding the moochers as culturally inept, and by violating them existentially by saying that they will always be inept. Look at George W. Bush. By all judgments he should have at least been not an idiot.
I'm not saying that communism is any better. But unfettered capitalism results not just in the accumulation of capital for the time being, but for a long period of time. It's a game of king of the hill, and whoever gets to the hill first gets to keep the others from getting there by using this artificial blunt human implement called "capital." It's disgusting, and there has to be a middle-ground, where human beings are treated with dignity, and truly have equal opportunity to pursue their inclinations to their ends, because we just don't know what each person holds within every nucleus of their every cell.
And for the record, of course I'm angry and hate the wealthy, but only those who fucked everybody silly. It isn't morally "topsy-turvy" (are we now Mary Poppins?) to hate someone who tells you one thing and then fucks you over when you aren't looking. Don't make it seem like Americans are angry at the wealthy. We're angry as arrogant assholes who used us to finance their lavish lifestyles. Some of us were complicit by taking bad loans, but in the end, we've ended up footing the bill, meaning, net, we got fucked. If you played it fair and square, and came out wealthy, so be it. But don't try to flip this around.
Rand IS an asshole, which, to her, is probably a complement.
Theory is always so rosey, application is dirty.
People who sing the priases of communism alway forget that the only way communism is ever good/ever works is when there's too much of everything (which is never). They love to expound on how the "system of sharing and equality" benefits all, even though every communist attempt has wound up simply being an elite power system that controls the masses.
They also are almost exclusivley made up of people who either:
A. Have never excelled at anything enough to be bothered by those who "just get by" thinking they're entitled to "what you have" though they never earned it.
or
B. Are wealthy due to capitalism and know it will never be something they'll have to pony up and be a part of. (It's great to rant about communism when you don't have to give up YOUR dinner for the homeless people on the streets.
Rand does the exact same thing it's a FICTION BOOK she expects that the deserving WILL ALWAYS rise through the ranks based on their abilities and intelligence. In her life that was much closer to reality. In the real world today there are just too many of "the average" sometimes the people destined for greatness are crushed by the masses and held back. The less deserving "less moral" are in the majority by a hundredfold, and they're just smart enough to band toghether to maintiain their status quo and crush anyone who threatens that before they can get to a position of power. In our society it's rare that the truly great see the efforts of their work rewarded accordingly, moreoften it's middlemen and organizations of the undeserving that force themselves into the process that get the lions share of the reward for doing the least amount of work in the creation.
People whine about classism when classism is EXACTLY what we need,...provided you're weeding out the right class. Not the "have nots" so much as the "do nots".
Take them all, rich or poor, put them on an Island and keep them there (Australia isn't doing much,..) shuttle them off there and let them try to build a society on poeple who "just get by" in life. 3 generations and they'd be extinct.
actually what you are
actually what you are describing, almost perfectly, is the state of Israel in its first 2 decades.
Founded by socialists, and built on socialist principles (including a universal commitment to military service: something Rand would have abhorred).
Even 4 decades later, despite many 'capitalist' reforms and a rise of an aggressive and self-centred business culture, Israel still retains that sense of being 1 nation, together.
But Rand would have hated Israel with a passion.
Israel was not founded by
Israel was not founded by socialists. It was founded by gangsters and terrorists (Irgun and Stern Gang) who were as socialist as the early pioneers driving native Americans off their land and slaughtering them while posturing as the victims. Israel is a bastion of racism, whore-house to the middle east (where high government officials are accused of rape), and weapons depot. Ayn Rand would love Israel - full of 'producers' who are the Randian elite, but who label themselves as the chose people; settlers burning the olive groves of Palestinians, dropping white phosphorous on Gazans, and expropriating the wealth of the downtrodden on the premise that Eretz Israel/Galt's Gulch is somehow justifiably noble.
A designed rail road does
A designed rail road does not build itself. Someone has to do the work. The ideas of an architect mean nothing without a builder. So tell me agin who are the manufacurers?
swing and a miss
Objectivism doesn't say that Collaboration is bad, it doesn't say that "helping your fellow man" is bad, it doesn't say that only rich people are deserving.
It says that FORCED collaboration, FORCED alturism etc.. are bad. If things are working they way they should the only people who will get rich are those deserving so by capitalism and by their own quality of work.
Such a simple concept and one that almost every single detractor misses entirely.
If you're building a railroad and you're the best designer you're going to want to work with the best builders, sure they're not going to be people who could also design railroads but you would want people who take their job seriously and do it with pride. You would want that mentality to be present in everything from the conceptual drawings down to the guy who checks for misalignment 10 years after the railroad is up and running. THAT is objectivism in action.
These people (from hammer swinger to the circuit designer) by their very nature would continue to better themselves and thus make their own situations better. Not all of those people would end up as industry magnates but they would have the quality of excellence that others would seek out as an alternative to the "half assers" and the "just enough to get by" crowd. So at the end of the day you have people who are skilled and in demand and those who just want to get by who eventually can't find work with anyone other than the companies who also just want to get by. You get a class of excellence and a class of "the rest". After a while "the rest" dwindle and either take up a low rung on the ladder or dissapear entirely.
The problem of course is that things are already so screwed up in the other direction it would take forever to make large noticable changes. Not to mention the ratio of "Genius" to "Moron trying to make money fast" is about 1:100000.
The whole Atlas Shrugged concept only works if it's the best of the best dropping out of society, the groups being discussed here in no way represent that kind of snapshot. These are just opportunitsts twisting a message to suit their own agendas and get some press.
The GOP as it stands now could absolutely not survive under the tennants of objectivism.
The Libertarians need to put Andrew Ryan on the ticket :)
"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well." -Andrew Ryan - Bioshock - 2K Games
This is awfully shallow. Do
This is awfully shallow. Do you think the market is perfectly just? Do you not understand what a powerful weapon money is, to refer to an earlier poster?? We could fully provide for the poor or single-payer health care or whatever by taking just a little more (proportionally speaking) from the rich. And they wouldn't even feel it. BTW, you're not rich. BTW2, Paris Hilton is rich. Is she a "producer"? Do you really think that the producers are the rich people--the ones on top?
How OLD are you?
I think my little brother owns this game. Isn't it the one where everybody goes crazy from poison gas and killer robots and you have to kill them all with a chainsaw?
YOU are a genius!
Yeah you got me, I quoted a passage from a video game (that was written as a tongue in cheek look at objectivism) my last little blurb completely invalidates everything else I said and means I'm 12 years old. Scotland yard must be missing your valuable input while you're posting on the internet.
And for the record that game had better plot and character depth than 90% of the books or TV I'd imagine you enjoy.
Misunderstanding seems to be par for the course.
No I never said anything even remotely like that...
Everyone on here is trying to plug a FICTION BOOK into the real world, love it or hate it it's not going to work. As far as Rand goes,....she had some great ideas, and when people hear them they make kneejerk assumption and run off into the hills screaming "She's a witch she turned me into a newt!!"
The market is by no means perfect, but if you were starting from scratch,..with all the same rules in place and applied ojectivist philosophy then things would work out a lot better in the long run that they have. I realize we can't do that,...we're screwed with this turd of a government and US philosophy and the US mentality in the markets like it or not. I for one don't and I think that a "more objectivist way of thinking" would have prevented a lot of these woes.
Nice impossible assumption but you're right I'm not rich,..I'm mid-Middle class at best, but again the misconception is that rich=good poor=bad in objectivism which it doesn't. Paris Hilton IS a producer based on todays consumer, as far as far as making things for people who like "watching useless trainwrecks". She's the tops.
I'm not a consumer in that market so,...no skin off my nose.
Objectivism is a GREAT philosophy but like most philosophy it doens't work for everyone and can't be plugged into the world en masse to fix all the problems it could if it was.
The misconceptions of the people posting here are as great as those this article was about. The whole Atlas Shrugged Model would work IF the best of the best did it. None of the people talking about doing it are the best of the best though they've just convinced themselves they are. Maybe Rand suffered from the same thing she wasn't the best author, but something great did come from all her efforts. (And I actually rather liked the fountainhead)
What I was saying that the article was penning this "Going Galt" movement as being indicitave of objectivism (which it isn't because most of the people in it are people who make their livings off the skills/creations/abilities/talents of others with none of their own) This whole thing makes it out to be "People with money are good in the eyes of Rand and Objectivism and people without are bad." When nothing could be further from the truth. If EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT it WOULD work out that way. But we've already screwed this pooch, can't be done now,..best we can hope for is damage control, try to get power back in the hands of the people, prune the government and all it's bloat down and do what you do best.
But people only gloss over Rand (and more importantly post-Rand Objectivism) and just make these kneejerk statements and then come up with dumbass movements/articles/etc.. like this one that just take an otherwise worthwhile message and ruin it. (reminds me of campus preachers telling all the students that Christianity bans you from heaven if you're black, have long hair, wear short shorts, masturbate, have pre-marital sex etc...etc..)
But as to the taxes on the rich....
If the people who make all the money had truly "earned" that money then I wouldn't want them to pay 1 more cent in taxes than anyone else just because "they had more" and people who had less needed their money. But as most of those people got there by screwing over the entire middle class I'm fine with it. Plus they've had their time of getting more than deserved tax breaks and incentives,..putting the screws to them now would just be justice.
On a personal pissed off note,..
The crooks, moochers and throngs lacking any sense of morality are easy to find.
The biggest crooks in the world that keep all of us from being able to live considerably better lives are in the top levels of government.
The trillions of dollars of handshake money (shifted around under a budget called the pentagon) goes so that the pockets of already rich families could be so full that even in hard economic times they could ride the storms out without spilling their martini's. Then each consectutive level of government down to your local mayor goes through the exact same process all the way down the line (albiet to lesser extents) so the cumulative robbing of eveyone in the US. Thus making sure that your parents, you, and your children will work harder, longer, and endure more hardship than you ever even needed to think about.
Howard Roark - terrorist
Yes, Howard, the main character in The Fountainhead, was so full of himself (forced collaboration?) that he thought himself justified in dynamiting apartment buildings he designed because the man for whom he worked altered the design. What a hero. Today he would go to jail, but in the lalt 40s he was portrayed in a movie by Gary Cooper. My, how times have changed. Was Howard forced to design those buildings? No. It's all about solopsistic elitism. Rand was a loser, and objectivism is for the objectionable.
Who is the manufacturer?
Who is the manufacturer? Well, a combination of people. Those who created the ideas and designs being implemented, those who capitalized the project, and the workers carrying them out.
Without the design...the workers have no work to do building it and the folks with capital have no design to fund.
Ayn's assertions concerning the primacy of mind and ideas over all else, are spot on.
Yes, but we're not really
Yes, but we're not really talking about the people in Howard Roark's position. As gifted as he's presented as being, he's still a mere employee.
What this all turns on is Rand's conflation of "the talented" with "the wealthy and powerful". NO WAY are they necessarily the same.
I appreciate your comments
I appreciate your comments and ability to simply present reasoned critique, unlike some of the ranting presented her.
Anyhow, I agree they are not necessarily the same, and I don't think Rand did, or would, argue that. Her presentation of folks who were wealthy as creators is not necessarily wrong either. Some are, some aren't.
I think the path is to preserve individuals rights to action in pursuit of their own goals, while defending the negative rights of all. This allows the rich and creative to be so, the not so rich and creative to be so, and allows for, and supports, the interdiction of rich, or poor, who violate others.
It's important to recognize that no one book is the totality of someone's ideas, and that in her novels, she is presenting characters that will illustrate many, but not all, aspects of it. Since much of modern innovation often requires large amount of capital and highly technical talent, sometimes combined, sometimes not, and that these enterprises most often draw the attention of a State bent on limiting them for purposes of their own, having these characters be central makes sense.
Rand Ignored Reality
In her attempt to identify the wealthy as agents of change, instead of exploiters of the status quo, Rand glosses over the reality: That all of the dreams in the world will not get that book published without someone to operate the printing press. She says as much in The Fountainhead (substitute Roark for Galt and "architect" for "railroad magnate" and you've got the same book ... better done in The Fountainhead):
"The great innovators of history have struggled, as Roark struggles - but they have not taken any workmen's jobs. They have preferred a more genteel, middle class.."
The primary conceit of Rand's books (all of them are virtually the same) is the same as that of the producers of "A Day Without Mexicans": "You'll miss us when we're gone." But, in fact, we probably would NOT miss the vast majority of wealthy people if they all chose to move to Galt's Gulch (still cracks me up), because they would need to hire people to mow their lawns and care for their children and on and on, so most of the wealth would still feed the system ... AND, as a bonus, we wouldn't have to put up with the rich's moaning about how much of a burden the system is.
So, go ahead! Galt's Gulch is thataway ... don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
"In her attempt to identify
"In her attempt to identify the wealthy as agents of change, instead of exploiters of the status quo, Rand glosses over the reality: That all of the dreams in the world will not get that book published without someone to operate the printing press. "
I'm not sure what it is with folks who think they are presenting valid critiques of Rand, but where I learned logic, to perform a valid critique you had to accurately represent the idea being critiqued..in other words, knocking down strawmen doesn't count.
The article is larded with them, and this post makes another..Rand is not identifying the wealthy as 'agents of change', she is identifying innovators, engineers, artists, and any person, regardless of status, who uses their mind to create something new..as agents of change.
There is zero, zero instances in her book of any commitment to solely the rich. They have the resources to capitalize large expensive innovations, necessary for the plot to show State interference with these acts, but she specifically treats even the non rich but honorable and honest with respect, even down to common workers on the rail line....so long as they are not moochers.
Rand was all about "class"
Where you see "respect" for the common railroad workers, I see the definition of a classful society. Rand did not have empathy for anyone who had not made a lot of money plying their trade. Perhaps this was less pronounced in Atlas Shrugged, which is the most polished take on her perspective. The Fountainhead, I believe, is a more accurate reading of her views, and much more raw and less "politically correct" (if you can believe anyone saying that about Rand) than Atlas, but they both contain the exact same sentiments.
Forgot to add... not all the
Forgot to add...
not all the printing presses in the world will have anything to print without the author. no ditch digger will have a shovel without the mind that designed it. the issue is not that it takes cooperation to get things done...it is that without a source idea, workers have no plans to work on, and that 'cooperation' by force of arms, is not actual cooperation, no matter what color lipstick you put on it.
Forgot to add... not all the
Forgot to add...
not all the printing presses in the world will have anything to print without the author. no ditch digger will have a shovel without the mind that designed it. the issue is not that it takes cooperation to get things done...it is that without a source idea, workers have no plans to work on, and that 'cooperation' by force of arms, is not actual cooperation, no matter what color lipstick you put on it.
"'Little more than words'?
"'Little more than words'? Is that all a novel is? Is that all a philosophy is? You can't concieve that just as much intellectual work goes into creating a novel as goes into creating a factory?"
So in your estimation, Stephen King should be the wealthiest man on Earth?
"The wealthy and talented are not oppressed by government and envied or hated by much of the public? You know they are - and that is morally 'topsy-turvy' to say the least."
Yes, I cry myself to sleep at night thinking of the hell Paris Hilton lives every day.
Great reply!
Here, Here! You said exactly what I was thinking.
The Importance of Words
"The heroes of her novels were the people who designed buildings and railroads, managed finance and industry—though Rand herself produced little more than words."
I am confused as to why someone who devalues the importance of words would attempt to become a journalist.
The “wealthy” which in
The “wealthy” which in Obamaspeak means anyone who has achieved a modicum of success are, or soon will be, oppressed. The top 10 % of earners pay 70% of the taxes in the country and is the main well from which to draw water for even more “hope and change”. No doubt the mob of moochers will soon have its way and Obama’s promise of “no new taxes on 95% of Americans” will be shown to be what it has always been, utter bullshit. There are only two ways to pay for Obama’s wish list and it is either to kick the expense or “investments” as the socialists call it, down the road to our decedents, or by massive tax increases on all income levels, probably both.
We did not have, nor have ever had, “unfettered capitalism”, not under Bush the Faux Conservative and certainly not under the garden variety Marxists running the show now. Those of us in the private sector who are over the magic $250 k hurdle, who have made companies and not incidentally, directly or indirectly provide all the jobs in this country, will do what we have always done; adapt, innovate and overcome until the mob rule falls of its own rotten weight.
but you don't do "all" the work
Kudos to you for making companies and providing jobs. Now spare a thought for all the people who do the rest of the work, filling those jobs and making those companies, and the economy, run. And who by spending their wwages keep the economy going.
Not everyone is suited to factory work, nor to crunching numbers, nor to entrepreneurship, nor to farming, nor to designing or cleaning and cooking and serving. But all kinds of jobs are necessary if we're to have a diversified economy beyond homestead self-sufficiency for all. And all the jobs are, in their own way, important. We don't need everyone to start a company; we also need people with other skill sets and personalities to take on other parts of the economy. And besides having greater economic rewards (and things like tax breaks and being able to afford accountants and maybe, if you're wealthy enough, being able to affect legislation...) is a more than generous reward.
But you also use public resources, and the time and labor and opportunity costs of others, the roads and bridges and utilities and rest of the infrastructure on a larger scale than do individual workers who don't create jobs but "merely" do them. You ought to feel honored to be in a position to give back and help the rest of society. If only we weren't spending our tax dollars on endless war and corporate charity and persecuting small farmers and artisan producers, who I'd take any day over the captains of industry.
So spare a thought for those who don't have your talent or opportunities. You made it to the top 1-2%, congratulations. Sincerely. I respect that kind of talent and drive. You work hard, but so do most people just struggling to survive. You perhaps fully earned your reward, but society can't function unless the rest of the country feels like they have a fair chance and something to look forward to. Like say, the occasional wage increase or a limit on hours or better working conditions or a weekend -- concepts that we have the labor movement to thank for.
We're all in this together. No one really does it all on their own like a Randian "hero." I was enamored of her in my 20s but I grew up. We need creators and entrepreneurs, yes, perhaps even financiers, yes, but also workers and farmers and all the others in between. You didn't do it alone.
"But you don't do all the
"But you don't do all the work" has posted the first balanced and, I think, most reasonable response I've read in this discussion. At least it is one I can agree with. I too was a Rand fan when I first read her as a naive undergraduate, and I also subsequently became more compassionate and hopefully more realistic as I matured. Rand's Galt, Roark, Taggart and company are caricatures well employed by her to raise sound questions and make some valid criticisms of socialism as a utopian society although her proposed alternative is also flawed and unsustainable being both too Darwinian and inhuman. It is also dishonest to suggest that we have yet seen a true representation of either socialism or Rand's objectivism.
We could all do more
Great comment. We could all do more to help get us out of this mess. The 5 Dollar Revolution. com outlines a way for everyday people to fund their own health care. It raises 140 billion dollars without raising taxes or adding to the deficit.
I think it's great that Republicans are fired up to do something- but wait- buying books and trying to starve the govenrment- dang, they're trying to ruin the country-again. Well, we can sure hope one day they'll feel some responsibilty for correcting the mess they've made.
Dare I say....
And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones to start
To mould a new reality
Closer to the heart
The blacksmith and the artist
Reflect it in their art
Forge their creativity
Closer to the heart
Philosophers and ploughmen
Each must know his part
To sow a new mentality
Closer to the heart
You can be the captain
I will draw the chart
Sailing into destiny
Closer to the heart
When was the last time YOU innovated something?
I was a working class electrical engineer for 25 years and I can guarantee you that the innovations did not come from the top down. The people in the under $250k range who actually did the work and the critical thinking about the results were the innovators. Many of the best ideas for improvements came from workers on the floor with high school educations who saved the company $millions with a simple idea and got a pat on top of the head for their trouble.
What came from your group was an endless stream of demands to screw people. Eliminate jobs, take shortcuts on safety, cheapen products, destroy the environment, and then take the money and the manufacturing and run offshore. Ready, shoot, aim, that's what I saw in meeting after meeting where loudmouth Type A buttholes made promises they didn't understand and then people like me had to work 80 hour weeks to try to make them happen.
You claim to create jobs, I say you're full of crap. You don't create jobs, you find ways to ship them to China, Mexico, Singapore. You game the system, you try to steal the one thing a man or woman has to bargain with, namely their LABOR. You have no respect for the human race. You would prefer if the rest of us didn't even exist.
You want money for nothing... Dire Straits had it right. You whiners at the top (or near it) keep claiming that you pay an unfair share of taxes. What you will never say is "follow the money". If you follow the money, 50% of US wealth is now controlled by the top 1% of obscenely rich people. That didn't used to be the case 30 years ago before Reagan began welfare for the rich. If you're fortunate you won't see a return to pre-1970 tax rates. I personally think it would be great if we did.
Keep on adaptin'. Maybe this time you'll have to do it without a giant handout from your political cronies in Washington.
-Wexler
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Touche, Mr. Wexler...
My father is an electrical engineer too and everything you said is true. I can't stand hearing this people whine about their taxes. I can't stand the disrespect towards hard working people. Right on.
Ummm...
So you are saying that if we DID have "unfettered capitalism", then all of the gross incompetencies, rapacity and straight up greed that we witnessed during the run-up to the current crisis, or as part of the everyday behavior of the markets, then all of those behaviors would somehow magically morph into a benevolent environment in which everyone would have the opportunity to thrive on the merits of their own hard work and creativity?
Or are you saying that you'll just hang out in the castle until all of the peasants have starved and have finally stopped making that nasty "dying" racket, outside your gates?
Your ignorance is only matched by your abuse of the language ... for the sake of those who might accidentally read your posts in the future, PLEASE try to understand what "socialism" is, and what "capitalism" is, and how accepting the fact that the world is made up of people from an infinite number of perspectives will make your brief time here more enjoyable. You can leave your money behind when you go ... or didn't you realize that that is required of all of us?
Sorry, but your math is
Sorry, but your math is wrong. The middle class pay most of the taxes. The top 10% pays 15% in taxes and the rest of us (90%)are paying about 28 to 36% .
"Going Galt" is faddish.
I don't expect a writer for Mother Jones magazine to have any affection at all for Ayn Rand, so, I guess I don't have any particular annoyance at the tone of this article, despite my admiration for Rand.
I am annoyed, however, at silly people who do silly things in Rand's name, and that includes the silly people setting up "Going Galt" websites and the like.
Most Objectivists (the name of people who agree with the fundamentals of her philosophy) are not involved in these activities. It sounds like something Libertarians would do, and it's one symptom of why Rand disparaged them.
If people are serious about fighting President Obama's policies, and spreading better ideas, the best hing people can do is write and speak. Ayn Rand was pro-thinking-and she maintained that the key to changing the world is to promote rational ideas. and that's what real fans of Ayn Rand should do.
Education more than activism is key. (Although some activism is fine if it involves publicizing better ideas.)





























