Reversing Course, California Gay Marriage Ban Ahead in the Polls

I live in Ca. and have been watching the new commercial with newsom. He looks like he is, "Laughing" at the normal people and telling us that weather we like it or not...!!!

He thinks the just because a few whack jobs in the state can ignore 2 times it being voted on to stop gays from stealing marriage ..!!!

Well, I guess he will learn a good lesson Nov 4th..:-)

All the fake marriages will be nullified, and the sanctity of marriage will be restored in our state..!!!

Bill

Marriage is both a collection of cultural customs, beliefs and values and a collection of laws. In discussing this subject those different sides are often mixed, however.

Also, children are a rather natural part of marriage too, despite many married couples not having children, so children should never be forgotten either when discussing marriage and laws related to it.

It is difficult to change the cultural customs, beliefs and values of others. Generally, people have right to their beliefs and values. A major part of people still see marriage as a union of one woman and one man, and that is not likely going to change any time soon. They have every right to hold to that belief, especially as that belief has been so strong throughout the whole world. They also don't offend anyone's human rights by doing so, especially if they don't try to force their views on others. Neither side of the fight shouldn't be trying to force their cultural values on others as long as their values respect the basic human rights of those others too.

But I suppose we are talking about the laws related to marriage and not so much about some cultural customs and beliefs? Well, defenfing the human rights of homosexual people and gay couples could be done also without mixing the traditional marriage customs to the matter - like it is already done in many countries. You can have laws defending the rights of gay couples without trying to force the valus of some gay culture down everyone's throats.

What's wrong with the idea of registered partnership for gay couples, by the way? It can guarantee all the same legal rights to gays as married men and women have. We may never get to the situation where everyone would see gay marriages and couples being equal to heterosexual marriage anyway. It is not just about gays being a small minority, but also about the simple fact that homosexual people cannot get children, only maybe adopt them.

You're free to disagree but personally I'm not sure if I would see it a good thing if gay couples start adopting children a lot? Often when discussing the rights of children, many specialists assure us that - in an ideal situation - small children should have both a father and a mother (and biologically they always have, of course). So both a male and a female role model in the family for children. But suddenly, when discussing the gay rights, the whole matter is often forgotten, and even those very same specialists can suddenly turn their position and start claiming that all gay couples should have every right to adopt all the children they may ever want to have too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that gays couldn't understand children at all, not to mention that they would be bad people. I'm sure many gay families could raise children just fine, or sometimes better than some heterosexual couples. But still, shouldn't we try to offer children the best possible and most balanced and natural families they could have? Most children would also want to know and live with their real biological parents if anyway possible. Many specialists agree that children should have both a mother and a father in an ideal family - that simple - even if they couldn't admit that in front of the huge pressure from those supporting the gay rights.

But I suppose that our western society sees the rights of sexual minorities (and sexual rights in general) so utterly important nowadays that they go even before children's rights too?