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Hedge Funder Cliff Asness Returns To Teach You About Health Care
Libertarian hedge funder Cliff Asness, who we last saw thinking it was a good idea to pick a fight with union workers over their pensions, has returned to grace us with another screed. This time, he's mad about health care. His incredibly long essay can be boiled way, way down:
- We pay more for health care now than we did in the past because it's better.
- The reason other countries pay less for health care than we do is because health care companies charge Americans more to cover the fixed costs of developing, say, Viagra, but only charge Canadians et. al. based on the costs of each individual pill.
- Follows directly from (2): Our health care system provides all the innovation in the world. "Even the successes you gin up for [other countries' systems] would not be possible without the last best hope of humankind (the US) on the front lines again making the miracles for the world."
- By its very nature, the public option will cheat and force the private insurance companies out of business.
- We have to ration health care.
- Health care is not a right because only negative rights (i.e., freedom of speech) are valid rights.
- Liberals are rushing to expand health care because they "know they're wrong" and they want to expand their own power.
- Regulation, taxes, and trial lawyers are the real problems with health care.
None of these points are original, of course, and Asness admits as much: "Much, or even all, of what I’m saying has been said elsewhere." But it's worth responding to (some) of these points on their merits:
- Just because something is new and we're buying it doesn't mean we need it or it makes us healthier. We're actually overtreated (and rich people like Asness often suffer the most from that), and your health outcomes don't actually have much to do with how much you spend.
- A lot of those "development" costs include bribing doctors to prescribe pharmaceutical companies' brand-name drugs. Moreover, seventy percent of the drugs developed in the US represent no improvement over existing drugs. And actually, the main reason that drugs are so expensive is because the government grants patent monopolies to drug companies. Economist Dean Baker: "The country is projected to spend almost $250 billion for prescription drugs this year (more than $800 per person). In the absence of government patent monopolies, we would spend close to one-tenth of this amount. Those generic drugs that Wal-Mart can profitably sell for $4 a prescription are not chemically distinct from the brand name drugs that can cost several hundred dollars." Bottom line: "[P]atents are simply one option for financing research, not essential at all."
- Baker: "The story he's trying to tell makes no sense. Under trade law, if I do the innovations in Zimbabwe, I receive the exact same protection in the United States, Europe and Canada as if I did them in Washington, DC. Yeah, a disproportionate share of the research goes on here. Guess why? Because of socialism: the National Institutes of Health spends $30 billion a year subsidizing research."
- Baker: "If he wants to say private plans can't compete, I won't quarrel: public plans tend to be more efficient, for obvious reasons. They don't pay their CEOs tens of millions of dollars, they don't have to establish themselves through advertising. There are lots of reasons why they're cheaper... so they will tend to dominate. But if you look to other countries where they do have public systems and private systems side-by-side, [private plans] continue to exist. If he wants to argue that most people would opt for the public plan—yeah, I think that's probably true."
- Well, yes.
- Baker: "The fact is most people will say that when they see someone dying and we have the means to help them they think we should. Whether you want to call it a right or not, polls show that people behave that way. If it makes him feel better to say it's not a right, he can say that, but the fact is the overwhelming majority of people feel the need to help people who are in need of help."
- Asness thinks Chris Dodd, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama, and Barney Frank know "they will lose if freedom wins." Seriously? How about a little presumption of your opponents' good faith?
- Baker: "Insurance companies make money by avoiding insuring sick people. That's an easy thing to show because a relatively small minority of people account for the vast majority of health care expenses. If you deregulate the insurance market, that would mean the insurance market would find ways not to insure sick people, which isn't that hard to do." Baker agrees with Asness about the tax treatment of health care plans, but says it "doesn't have much to do with" the problems for health care in America today. He also points out that states like Texas that have limited malpractice awards haven't seen major decreases in health care costs.
The broader point is that we've heard a lot of these arguments before, and they're pretty easy to refute. But the libertarian argument about health care has one, broader, more fundamental problem. If we have, as they argue, the most "free" health care system in the world, and "freer" systems are better, why is our standard of care lower and our costs higher than other, "less free" systems? They want to move away from models that seem to work and towards new, untested free-market utopian systems. The burden of proof should be on them. Because what we have now ain't working.





























Refutation?
A guy writes a piece claiming that the politicians supporting the Administration's healthcare proposal know it will make healthcare worse, but lie about that in order to increase their power.
You reply, "How about a little presumption of your opponents' good faith?" and pat yourself on the back for refuting him, with the modest qualification that "we've heard a lot of these arguments before, and they're pretty easy to refute."
Do you consider it logically impossible that a politician would lie, or act to increase her power rather than for the public good? If not, then you need some evidence or argument in this particular case to count as a refutation.
Your 969 words (since you're counting) offer counterpoint to some of the points in the original essay. Taken together, they amount to a case that the current healthcare system is bad, that less government won't fix it and that more government might. Neither you nor Asness has cited much in the way of evidence, nor even refined your terms enough to come up with direct contradictions. But that's okay, they're competing op-eds, not policy papers. However you never get to Asness' claim that the Administration plan is terrible and the people pushing it are cynical liars. Whether there could be a good government plan, or a good free-market plan, is not the issue.
For the record, I favor removing the government tax and regulatory pressure for employer-based health plans, for providing inexpensive care for everyone (say on the level of UK national health or the Veteran's Administration) and letting everyone who wants to spend more contract freely with people who want to make profits delivering it. I agree we spend far too much, but think the Administration plan will spend even more and deliver less. I'm particularly upset by provisions preventing people from making private insurance or care arrangements, even after they've paid taxes to fund the public system, and preventing businesses from attempting to make profits. I agree with Asness to the extent that some portions of the plan smack of punishing the middle class (rich enough to afford more than UK/VA-level care, but too poor to pay for it without insurance cost-sharing and too poor to fly overseas for treatment) and criminalizing profit, without any conceivable public policy purpose beyond radical egalitarianism.
Therefore, I'm far more concerned about the motivations of the people pushing this plan than the financial and medical details. If they're honest people with good intentions, maybe some of the offensive provisions are oversights that can be corrected after implementation. If they're heartless petty dictators, I want to stop it right now. What we have isn't bad enough to give in to that.
So to my mind, you haven't begun to refute Asness. He may well be wrong, but I'd like to see some analyses before I suspend my disbelief and trust the government.
"Provisions preventing people"
There aren't any provisions preventing people from buying their own care or insurance.
How would one determine the inner moral character of the politicians pushing the plan? Why would they, as a group, be any more or less venal than, for example, the politicians that oppose the plan, or a random sample of insurance company executives? Isn't it the actual plan that matters, anyway, not the intentions of the people pushing it?
Ah, yes, the all-purpose
Ah, yes, the all-purpose "freedom" lie. Freedom is wonderful, as long as it's MY definition of freedom. The freedom to steal as much as I can from the "free" (read unrestrained) peddling of things stolen from the people (overseas) who made them and sold quickly for a huge profit. Without FREEDOM, I might have to get a JOB and contribute something.....
Asness is right. Deal with it.
One, he didn't attack unions for their pensions, he attacked the president for giving companies to unions ahead of creditors who paid for the right to be ahead of unions in line. So, you're wrong, and probably intentionally so, on line 1 of your catty introduction. That's your high point for honesty.
1. Fine, we're overtreated, anyone at Mother Jones want to trade today's health care for any time in the past? No? Hmm... It is better today and better costs more. Want to argue with that? And who are you to say what people are allowed to spend their own money on? Oh, wait, I forgot, you're totalitarians, my bad.
2. Yep, capitalism has inefficiencies too, but not unique to health care. Your argument in 2 is that EVERYTHING should be run by the government. Oh, again my bad, you're ok with that as again, you're socialist totalitarians.
3. Asness screwed this up just a bit. The essay phrased this poorly but the USA subsidizes the world because the REVENUE is spent here on new drugs, not based on them being produced here. The point though is spot on. Sorry that was 1/3 the author's fault, 2/3 yours.
4. Your argument boils down to the government can compete on efficiency. That's a joke, and gets people killed. They compete by cheating, and not measuring costs properly (including no capital charge for the resources they consume, and no hit to GDP for the drag they create). Arguing government can compete fairly is a joke. Any negative profit they run just comes out of taxes of us and our kids and their kids and so on. It's like FREE if you're Mother Jones.
5. All are agreed here (ok, this was your high point), Asness was saying both sides try to make cheap points yelling the other is rationing and both sides should stop as everyone has to admit to rationing. You really went out of your way to point out how even handed he was didn't you? (not)
6. Asness makes it clear he's a huge fan of private charity and even as a libertarian is open to the state insuring the health of the neediest (if you're curious he's on the board of the Internatioal Rescue Committee and others - it's on his website). But saying that means Government should run / finance the whole system is a GIGANTIC and illogical jump. You are taking him out of context and cheating.
7. Maybe you're right, maybe Asness is right, but it sure looks like it's about POWER to me. Look into Rahm Emanuel's eyes and try to argue. Or Barney Frank's. They just want to LEGISLATE and RUN THINGS.
8. "Baker" skips over Asness's major point, which was about business being tied to health insurance is nuts. Let people do this themselves with what they see as their own money and wow, you'll have to write "socialism sucks" 100x over on the blackboard in a few years. And you can't eliminate or limit tort scum bags in only one state to see a real difference, least of all Texas which was one of the less disgusting states on that front to begin with. And, in any case, do you deny tort limitation would be a good thing? It's not gonna happen in the next 3 years as like the unions the tort lawyers are the president's boys and big donors.
So, you attack with catty headlines (he didn't attack unions, and why are his views any less valuable because he's an evil "hedge fund manager" as you love to slip in), because you got nothing but tired socialist nonsense.
He's right, you're wrong. Wow my head hurts now.
Uh, Tex? Look at the breat implant legal mugging of science. . .
if you think your state is less disgusting than others on medical lawsuits (and let's not even talk about science and Texas courts).
All four guys, Tex (maybe a gal), Nick, Baker and Asness are throwing around facts, and dismissing counterfacts ("some of the [drug company revenue] goes to bribing doctors" instead of funding reserarch, "only one state" isn't enough to make a difference). Despite widely differing polticial stances, most of the issue can be resolved by empirical investigation, which requires careful analysis of millions of facts, not random quoting of unsupported facts.
I think pretty much everyone who looks at this seriously agrees that the UK and Canada, and US government programs like Medicaid and Veteran's care, deliver too low a level of care to be acceptable for everyone. I think it's enough to satisfy the minimum state obligation to the poorest people, but I can't abide the idea of preventing everyone from getting anything better.
I also think we can rule out inference from tiny Northern European countries without the scale and situation to be comparable to the US.
The useful issue to resolve is whether France and Germany get better healthcare for their money than the US, adjusting for demographic differences and share of medical innovation funded. Nick and Baker cite this as if it is indisputable fact, Asness (and Tex seems to agree) appear to know that France and Germany are barely a half notch above old Soviet Union care.
This doesn't seem something that should be a matter of pure opinion. If France and Germany really have it so much better then anyone but a radical libertarian ought to be disposed to imitate some of their practices, maybe even invite a few of their administrators over here to help. If France and Germany are really free-riding parasites who spend almost as much as the US to get care that only looks good because they don't cover their old or sick immigrants and have a homogeneous population with low expectations outside of an inbred elite then only a card-carrying socialist would want to move in that direction.
So why toss random factoids around or engage in ideological chatter that only matters to the 1% extremes? That's what I'm afraid is happening in Washington. You four may hope that will provide the cover for your favored parties to win, but face it, all the favored parties will win; and none of us are favored. The more heat and less light there is on this issue, the more likely we are to end up with the worst of socialism and unfettered capitalism.
"Getting anything better"
No one is preventing you from getting anything better. It's like public schools: you pay your taxes for the public system, and people who don't like it can pay more to send their kids to private school. But the public system provides a minimum level of education available to everyone, instead of leaving millions of people without, like the free market health care system.
Your assertion that "France and Germany are barely a half notch above old Soviet Union care" flies in the face of the facts, unless you're claiming that Soviet Union care was better than ours, which I don't think you are. French health care is very good, and they don't wait for it, either. Health care expert Jonathan Cohn: "In a 2008 survey of adults with chronic disease conducted by the Commonwealth Fund - a foundation which financed my own research abroad - 60 percent of Dutch patients and 42 percent of French patients could get same-day appointments. The figure in the US was just 26 percent." Read this: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/07/05/healthy_examples_plenty_of_countries_get_healthcare_right/ You can also check out the book "Sick", by Jonathan Cohn. And note that the French, who have that "socialist" system you deride, pay much less for it than we do, wait less for care than we do, have better health outcomes than we do, and are happier with their system than we are. Also, VA care is pretty good. You can read "The Best Care Anywhere," by Phil Longman, who offers proof.
Anyway, the point is that if you're looking for empirical investigation including careful analysis of millions of facts, it's out there. Read it!