Let HRC and her camp do all they want - it isn't working now and it will only hurt her numbers. It is so over. . .

Great piece!

Obama seems to think he can dismiss associations with nefarious characters simply by being unaware of their inflammatory rhetoric.
He may well surf that wave all the way, but more likely a shark will pluck him off his board before Denver.

How long are the Clinton's going to drag this out? What is she trying to accomplish? She can not and will not win. Why continue to destroy Obama?

Great piece, btw.

Seems the Clinton camp have dug a hole for themselves.

By talking about Ayers, this leads to the Clinton Pardons, from that, talk about terrorists, then the question of FALN will crop up!

Again, Ayers was not a terrorist by any definition of the word I know of. It's bad enough that this ridiculous "connection" is being discussed in this campaign at all (which, by the way, goes well beyond what the McCarthyites did in the 50s, which is saying something), without accepting the premise of people like Sean Hannity and WorldNetDaily. Terrorism is political activity aimed at civilians designed to harm or engender fear (hence, "terror"). That's not what Ayers claims he did forty years ago.

Bottom line here is: This campaign has gone on far too long. If it contin ues much longer, we might as well annoint John McCain in November before the convention. What the Supers fail to see is how Hillary will continue to play "McCain" and damage any Democratic candidate in the fall. I think they think they should wait to weigh in on this until July............that;s far too long to let her continue her attack and give ammunition to McCain. If you want to win in November, need to stop all this in-fighting now or losing Hillary supporters won't matter, because we'll lose anyway.

Please, Hillary, go away. Please, please, please. There is zero chance of you getting elected president, so why try to take down someone who can - and in your own PROFESSED party?

"Guilt by association" doesn't fly these days. If we all stayed away from anyone who did something wrong in their lives, or said something stupid, we'd all live in a bubble. Get real...if you want to claim yourself perfect, go ahead, but we know better.

P.S. My last comment was meant for Jim Lattrall. Sorry I didn't specify to whom my response was for.

Those of us who are grown ups ( which eliminates most Obama followers) are getting a little tired of your whining.we know this is what Obama does best when he gets hit with some truth he's not prepared to duck, but this. "what about Clinton's?" infantile whining is getting too much. do everyone a favor and take your thumb out of your mouth.

Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have petulantly claimed that the reason why she should stick around after it's clear that there's no way she'll overcome Barack Obama's lead among pledged delegates is that the superdelegates could decide to go with her instead of Obama. The superdelegates' rationale for doing so would presumably need to be based on questions of electability. Hillary Clinton, in the exchange quoted above, said there is no electability argument that can be used against Barack Obama.

The voters have demonstrated a clear preference for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton. She cannot overcome his lead. Hillary Clinton acknowledges that Barack Obama can beat John McCain. Thus, she's lost, and she has no argument that it's a threat to Democrats to have Barack Obama as our nominee. Therefore, there's no reason for Hillary Clinton to continue her campaign.

Its so obvious what Hills wants to do in this campaign. She'll make sure Obama does not win so she can say -told ya- and than make another run in 2012. She's sticking around not because she thinks she can win but because she does not want Obama to win in November.

Chug, chug, chug that Obamabot Kool-Aid, Dave!

Last night was shocking because we saw just how unprepared Obama was and how poorly he performed when the playing field was finally level.

Bill isn't running for President, Hillary is. And how is it that posters here can say "guilt by association doesn't fly anymore" re: Obama and in the next breath smear Hillary with "guilt by association." Grow up -- pardoning 2 people who served jail time & repented is different from being "friendly" with a guy whose rich daddy got him off and who shows no remorse. If the Obama camp thinks last night was harsh, they will all have strokes in the GE.

No, they didn't hold political evens for Clinton, but allowing someone to host a political event for you doesn't equate to sympathizing with their cause or their problems. A fundraiser is a fundraiser, and Ayers only gave Obama $200 of his own money. It doesn't sound to me like they were "of like mind."

However, commuting the sentences of two people who were serving the punishment meted out to them by the American judicial system...wow. Now, that says "sympathy." That says "personal interest."

Now tell me, which is worse?

No, they didn't hold political events for Clinton, but allowing someone to host a political event for you doesn't equate to sympathizing with their cause or their problems. A fundraiser is a fundraiser, and Ayers only gave Obama $200 of his own money. It doesn't sound to me like they were "of like mind."

However, commuting the sentences of two people who were serving the punishment meted out to them by the American judicial system...wow. Now, that says "sympathy." That says "personal interest."

Now tell me, which is worse?

First of All the two individuals that were pardoned were in jail doing their time, and neither of them made dispariging remarks after 9/11, Ayers never did any time and he made those horrible remarks after 911 there is a difference and secondly, Bill Clinton Pardoned those individuals not Hillary, so how are we going to do this, either she gets credit for everything the good and the bad or she gets credit for nothing, you decide, but you cannot have it both ways. now what?

Hillary's defense of her NAFTA position hinges on the fact that, while Bill was president, she tried to talk him out of it, and that she personally did not support it. Now tell me that her opinion about the commuting of these sentences has no bearing. Hillary can't have it both ways. Either her actions during Bill's presidency count, or they don't. She can't keep cherry-picking.

Exactly. They were in jail, doing their time. Why did Bill feel the need to commute their sentences? As far as I know, Ayers wasn't responsible for killing anyone. He also made his way through the American judicial system. He is a free man. And is 9/11 supposed to be the barometer for every single utterance made since then? Dont' be naive. Obama isn't responsible for something Ayers said. I guess Mayer Daly, for whom Ayers was an aide, and Sen. Alice Palmer, who was the one who introduced Ayers and Obama as she prepared to step down from her senate seat, have no problem with Ayers. I guess they're crazy radicals, too, eh?

Why are we even talking about Hillary anymore, except to tell her to go away. She is bad news and has no chance. That anyone is still harping on about what she says or does seems to me a gigantic waste of time - as she is irrelevant, as she should be.

The only level on which she matters is her sociopathic desire to take down the inevitable nominee by using millions of democratic dollars. For that she should be deplored, even by her supporters.

She is and has always been a bad candidate, and those of you in her corner have confused static intelligence (memorizing facts and figures) with dynamic intelligence (actually solving problems, leading people, etc...). You have also confused insane rageful determination to win at all costs with character and steeliness.

In about 5 weeks she will be officially done. If Obama loses for any reason in November, I'd say we can all look to her as a major contributor to that loss. Though I think - despite her efforts - that's unlikely to happen.

Super delegates Reggie Whitten of Oklahoma and Harry Thomas, Jr. of Maryland endorsed Barack Obama today.

Guess they drank the Kool-Aid, eh JoeCHI? As did Bruce Springsteen (the elitist).

To Kim:
"either she gets credit for everything the good and the bad or she gets credit for nothing, you decide, but you cannot have it both ways. now what?"

Well, most of her claimed experience is being "first lady" and she wants that to count, so yes, this counts. If this doesn't count, then her claimed experience doesn't count, you decide.

"I'M not going to have some reporters pawing through OUR papers.
WE are the PRESIDENT!!"

-Hillary Rodham Clinton-
-December, 1993-

THIS IS THE REASON SHE IS STAYING IN THIS RACE, SHE KNOWS SHE CANNOT WIN BUT SHE DOES NOT WANT OBAMA TO WIN SO SHE CAN RUN FOR PRES. IN 2012. SHE IS A TRIP...ANYTHING BEYOND THAT SHE WILL BE TOO OLD LIKE MCCAIN....

Wolfson is a total, bumbling idiot. He should check his facts before he starts frothing at the mouth.

First of all, Obama did not attend a "fundraiser" at Ayers' house. In 1995, the then-outgoing congresswoman of that Chicago district brought Obama to the Ayers house to introduce him as her successor. They were apparently making the rounds to some of the more prominent Democrats in the district.

Next, Ayers was never a "key" Obama supporter. He donated $200 to Obama's state senate campaign. That's it.

The Clinton campaign is worse than the Republicans. They are just trash. I can't wait until this primary season is over.

First it was "oh, Obama isn't experienced enough", then it was "Obama is a Muslim", then Obama isn't black enough", then "Obama is too black", then "Obama has associations with terrorists", then "Obama doesn't have good Judgment", now "he's an elitist" - (despite the fact that he came from a broken, poor upbringing and spent years helping lowing and middle income people as a community organizer.)

What's next? "Oh, Obama is too every-man".

Yet the truth remains, the too black, not black enough, Muslim, inexperienced, lacking judgment candidate is ahead in delegates, popular vote and more states won.

[" He donated $200 to Obama's state senate campaign. That's it.']

Didn't take any more than that to turn Ron Paul into a charter member of Stormfront..., according to some who desperately wished it were true, because they feared he would succeed.

That's the psychology of "opperation smear campaign" for you.

Megan -
I wholeheartedly agree!

Then there is also Hillary's college age defense of Black Panther Murders (they brutally killed one of their own, a suspected informant as reported on Amy Goodman's democracy now!) Those killers where were never prosecuted for their admitted crimes and were later appointed to high offices in the Clinton administration. For a Clinton hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I love Kim's assertion that "making disparaging remarks" is as bad as murdering police officers.

She gets credit for both the good and the bad: Passing Reagan's budgets, failing once to reform health care, then giving up and not bothering to try again for six long years in the White House, NAFTA, Welfare reform. Remind me which is the good part?

Hillary failed to pass health care reform, failed to stop NAFTA, failed to create jobs in upstate NY. Failure is not a resume.

I dont think the clitons want to bring up the pardon issue from bill's white house. Isnt it true that he gave the most presidential pardons even and werent Hillary and Bill got paid for them? Not to mention the pardons he gave.

Unfortunately for Obama facts are ugly things -

William Ayers was a founding member of the Weather Underground - The group was a violent anti war organization who’s charter was the overthrow of the United States government. They bombed the Pentagon, the US Capitol and a number of NY City police stations.

William Ayers own girlfriend and 2 other members of the group were killed by a bomb they were building to use against military recruiters at Fort Dix. The group also killed 2 police officers and a security guard during a botched bank robbery-the purpose of which was to gain funds to further their terrorist activities.

William Ayers has never renounced his actions and to this day defends them and laments that the group had not done more. Look it up.

Obama knew exactly who this man was and yet chose to nurture a personal and professional relationship with him. I’m sorry, but someone aspiring to the Presidency of the US does not do that.

As for Obama comparison of his relationship to Ayers and Bill Clinton’s pardoning of two of the groups members - it is absurd to equate the two - first of all Bill Clinton pardoned them, not Hillary - and second - the two women pardoned served nearly 2 decades in prison, renounced their past activities and swore an allegiance to the US to gain the pardon - a far cry from what Ayers has done.

You should research the people Hillary DID allow to host a fundraiser for her. I can't believe Wofson sent you down that path. She would have a hard time explaining away that cast of characters.

Hey, Hillary fans, we have saying in Britain for idiots like you: Get Knotted!

You must all be drinking too much flouridated water and have lost your ability to reason. On the other hand, judging by the language in your various posts, you all appear to be some older spinster-types who have become emBITTERed at the prospect of not getting your gun-toting, beer-swilling, shot-slugging sister into the WH with her philandering appendage.

Oh please! Can we talk about an ISSUE please? Gas prices? Iraq? Mortgages? Food prices? ANYTHING other than this constant stream of he said/she said?

Twenty years ago, I asked a staffer in Senator Jesse Helms' office to expidite a passport application for me. That doesn't make me a right-wing conservative. My father was a racist, and I lived under his roof for 18 years. That doesn't make me one. The way the media is handling this is madness. If I had to answer for the words and deeds of everyone I ever knew, anyone I ever worked with, anyone who ever showed me their support, the press would railroad me, too.

Anyone who gets to the level of running for President is going to have met and worked with a lot of people with whom they share little in the way of personal views. Just because you work with somebody or accept support from somebody, that doesn't mean that you support everything that THEY have ever done, or that you support all of the views that they hold. You can't hold any candidate to that kind of standard. Think about it - do YOU agree with everything everyone you know has ever said?

Can we talk about ISSUES now? PLEEEEASE?

If one lives in a big city and are publicly active, its inevitable that one crosses path with various elements both good and bad. Sometimes one becomes associated, quite innocently, with people who have a questionable past. This I believe is the case with Obama and Ayers. Whatever Ayers did, he was never prosecute for it, let alone serve time in the poky. So those infantile s*it-for-brains desperatly tring to make a connection between Obama and Ayers, are the ones with a nefarious purpose in mind (Sean Hannity is the specious miscreant that have benn muddying the water over this ridiculous smear). Take the current pope, Benedict, he was an Hilter Youth. Now, would you all like to ask the entire Catholic Churh membership to abandon that organization?

Look at FactCheck.org for info on the Weather connection. Their conclusion is that it's nothing but casual contact between two people who knew people in Chicago. Will independent evaluation suffice, or shall we continue to insist that there's an issue here? "Lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!"

its sad to see hillary sink so low, but no matter wat she will never get my vote.
obama 08

mdr

obama doesn't whine-hillary whines, in fact, she cries if the mean ole bullies are picking on her. not only does she whine, play the feminist card, panders to people with whom she has nothing in common[see shots of crown royal w/ beer chaser]... she lies and she lies a lot[see bosnia, irish peace accords, and on and on and on.

not to mention have you seen where she said, " screw those people bill."

those people would be the ordinary, common working man of the south.

have a nice day.

In last 7 years I did not miss many Sunday's program with George Stephanopoulos. After watching last night's debate, I dont think I will ever watch ABC again.

I thought Hillary was staying in the race because Barrack was unelectable. But, wait, didn't she just say that Barrack could beat McCain?

Does that mean he IS electable?

Then why again is Hillary still in the race?

Well, I honestly don't see why one is tied in with the other. Is anyone actually asking what HRC thought of those pardons besides Clinton Haters?

Obama doesn't want to be guilty of any of his associations, but he wants Clinton to be guilty of all associations.
This guy (1) held a fundraiser for OBAMA, (2) has no remorse for his activities and in fact has said he didn't do enough, and (3) said pretty outrageous stuff after 9/11.

Did any Weathrepeople hold a fundraiser for Clinton?
Did the ones that Bill Clinton pardon express remorse? Did they make outrageous comments after 9/11?

Otherwise, why is the media questioning Clinton, when they should be questioning Ayers? Does he Stand by his comments? If so, that's a gigantic ISSUE.

Clinton connection...and it is not relevant when she attended church or shoot a gun but worried about Ayers;;;;Well

President Clinton pardoned to members of the Weatherman Underground ... and then she was all for going to commercial break.

What? Hillary? No comeback for that?

After Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for not severing all Ayers ties, Mr. Obama said, "By Senator Clinton’s own vetting standards, I don’t think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground."

That referred to commutations by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, shortly before leaving office, for Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg. Ms. Evans had been convicted of weapons and explosives charges connected with eight bombings in the mid-’80s and sentenced to 40 years in prison. Ms. Rosenberg had been charged in connection with a 1981 armed robbery in which two police officers and a security guard were killed, and was serving 58 years after being convicted of weapons charges in a 1984 case.

’60s Radicals Become Issue in Campaign of 2008

Can there be any stronger support for something than using your power to pardon?

In fact, the Clintons' support of members of this group should be viewed as much more significant than a member's (neighbor's) support of him.

I really hate that we are having this debate. I blame my senator. She couldn't contain her giddiness when this topic came up.

She did learn the wrong lesson from the years of pointless and cruel attacks on her. I guess it's true that the abused becomes the abuser.

The Clintons and their legacy suffer. McCain and the Republicans rejoice. This is the bottom of the barrell politics and the world thought we had finally started to come to our senses.

Clinton camp is trying to turn this Ayers thing into their "October Surprise" just days before the PA Primary.

Obama's team needs to get ahead of them on this message and stop being reactive with responses. Obama needs to control this in the media before it gets out of control like the Wright thing.

Congratulations! Maybe through the efforts of people like you we can really change politics in the future. Why doesn't anyone ask Wolfson why Hillary cannot win on the basis of her own merits rather than the dirt she can collect on someone else?

Great Mother Jones story here that's worth a re-read.

circa 1998 - Clinton

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/1998/01/pritchard.html

If you thought last night was a "level" playing field, you need to lay off the crack pipe. Hillary's mission in life is to destroy Barack. If she does it now, she will earn the nomination. If she throws enough mud, but still loses, then she will at least have damaged him badly enough to hurt his chances in the general. That way, if he loses she can say "I told you so." She cares nothing about her party, only herself. I heard Bill saying today how he was tickled when Barack struggled with the attacks last night. If the situation was reversed, we would never have heard Michelle Obama say such a thing. The Clintons are evil, pure and simple.

"First of All the two individuals that were pardoned were in jail doing their time, and neither of them made dispariging remarks after 9/11, Ayers never did any time and he made those horrible remarks after 911 there is a difference"

That is misinformed. Its what hillary wants you to believe but its not true. The quotes from ayers that were "published" after 911 were from what he said long before 911. But that what you get when you have candidates twist the truth. And while we're on the topic of commuted sentences and terrorists lets not forget about the 16 puerto rican nationalists (FALN) that set off 120 bombs in the US and had their sentences commuted by clinton at the end of his term. These were also convicted terrorists. But we don't want to talk about that, instead we want to talk about how obama a professor in chicago has crossed paths with ayers a free man that is also a professor in the same community on a multi-member board that did alot of good for chicago and was not radical at all. In fact they only overlapped 3 of obamas 9 years on the commmitee. Give me a break. If you held everyone responsible for past actions or words of everyone they know then no person would ever be qualified to be present.

Considering the Clinton's exposure on this issue, this Ayers thing is just prima facie evidence that Hillary is on a kamikazee mission.

There can be no other proof that she is deliberately trying to make sure Obama loses in the fall. Because surely it is obvious that there is no way she can win.

Bill might not be running for President, but Hillary is surely running on his record as part of her "35 years of experience". She cannot expect to get credit for the positives and get a pass on the negatives of the Clinton Administration if she is claiming it as her experience.

And now that we are on the Clinton pardons, maybe it would be high time for Hillary to explain why her brother collected $300k securing pardons for people? Has that been vetted? They still have not explained the Marc Rich pardon. And of course there is the FALN, who were even more unrepetant than Ayers.

Obama cannot hit her on the FALN because Puerto Rico has not voted yet. But there is sufficient evidence to suggest that those sentences were commuted because Hillary need Puerto Rican/NYC support for her Senate run. Not only was the Weather Underground pardon/commutations done against the advice of law enforcement (a dead cop from a bank heist? how's that for law and order), but the FALN commutations caused a major outcry among law enforcement as well.

Talk about vetting? Obama, nor the media, has played up the fact that she is earning money from foreign governments from the middle east, governments that boycott Israel contrary to US law. How would that look? How can we trust our national security to Hillary at a time like this when she and her husband are directly financially beholden to middle east government, particularly Dubai, home of and chief financial backer of Al Jazeera.

In case it was not obvious, I was not insinuating that I believed in those attacks, but just showing exactly how much new and unvetted mud can be thrown at the Clintons.

Also, another point to make is that they will not release their 2007 returns because Bill is reportedly cashing out his equity interest in Yucaipa and from what I have read it is well over $20m and that is money directly from the Prince of Dubai. People are going to wonder exactly how that money is "earned" if he had to release that information. They are not going to release until probably at least or even after the general if they win because McCain refuses to release his.

Are the Clinton's pathetic enough to be looking ahead to the 2012 campaign? If Obama loses to McCain in the Fall, we have Bill and Hillary Clinton to blame.

Jan,
when those two building fell..the international community's message was, "welcome to the world america" and by the way why are americans tie so much importance to "apologies" in the first place...what weight do they hold in the long run...does it make you "feel safe" ... if the guy "apologized" would you pardon him...and have expectations of him to then think like you politically.

Why not asked Obama if he supported the pardon of Rosenberg and Evans. Or would that be to tough for Obama?

I just find this whole discourse inane (in an amusing way).

The Founding Fathers of The United States of America WERE ALL POLITICALLY ACTIVE TERRORISTS (at least the English and most historians consider them as such)

How do you think we won our FREEDOM?

Now people are arguing about the validity two presidential hopefuls that BOTH have extremely weak ties to a modern batch of "political terrorists". [I'll be voting for Obama but am staying neutral with all the infighting]

I just have to chuckle at the irony of it all.

Wow, great article! It is good to know that there are still some sane journalists left in the world.

I agree. More people should be looking into Obama's connection to the Weather Underground when he was 8 years old.

Thanks for following up on this! I listened to the conference call on youtube. How can you even stand to listen to these people? THANK YOU for calling their campaign for not answering the "actual question", I have yet to hear a straight answer from any of them! Most especially HC.

David Corn, first rule of journalism, get your facts right. You didn't do that and you've got people commenting assuming they can trust you. Bill Clinton did not pardon the two women. You're supposed to be a journalist, correct your big error.
Links to the official Justice Department lists in this post
http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2008/04/jake-tapper-correct-your-error.html

David Corn, do some work before you start claiming pardons took place. You're being paid by Mother Jones, not by the Obama campaign. Shameful.

Its pretty obvious to me that Hillary will never give up, but not for any of the reasons that she or or her campaign is willing to admit. Hillary and Bill are currently on trial in the Los Angeles, California Supreme court. Its the largest election fraud trial in US history and Presidential pardon powers would certainly come in handy.
Check the facts:
http://www.paulvclinton.com/Cal_SC_Petition_for_Review.pdf

He also pardoned or commuted two or more Puertor Rican nationalists who were jailed for involvements with acts of violence.

While he's at it, Wolfson should explain Hillary Rodham Clinton's relationship with The New World Foundation that in the 80's funded the P.L.O, at the time a terrorist organization! She also accepted $50,000.00 while in the White House and hosted an event for this group!

That's pathetic!

Is Wolfson trying to tell us that an elected Senator from the state of Illinois is a 'terrorist' or have 'terroristic' tendencies?
I see this as a 'disrespect' to the US Senate itself and to the people of the State of Illinois.
Is Wolfson also telling us that a 'flag pin' is important to have loyalty and patriotism..I do know that a wedding ring will not protect married couples from playing around..So, if a husband or wife have rings on their fingers, does this mean or indicate loyalty..!!
Does a 'flag pin'on a candidate's shirt or suit indicates that the candidate is more to trust..or more capable of helping this country than the other ...?!!
Please ,Mr. Wolfson, your attempts to smear Obama by using a 40 years story,when Obama was a young kid is not a seller.

Great article, I just wish you could have found more juice to Bash the hypocritical Clintons'.

The point must be made once again: HRC cannot continue to accept credit for all the triumphs and positive outcomes of the Clinton administration, while simultaneously disavowing herself of anything controversial, sloppy, or unethical that her husband did while in office.
This is just one more annoying example of how HRC's camp (admittedly, masterful job) plays this game. They highlight some ridiculously minuscule controversy, assist the 24-hour drama media networks in blowing it out of proportion, and then try to talk their way out of similar comparisons. The minute a fact about the Clinton administration is inconvenient, her camp is ready to point out whose presidency it was. If that's the case then stop acting as if you're "ready on day one" and "trained" to be President. Hanging around the Oval Office doesn't count-- if it did, Lewinsky would be qualified too!!
I've had more than enough of this. HRC has gone from someone I could tolerate as an alternative to my first choice (Obama) to someone I can't stomach. Please drop out already!

This whole thing is really sad. It looks like we on the Left are gonna be digging our own way into a new McCarthy Era -- "Have you ever been, or ever been associated with an extreme radical from the 60s?" To which the answer is undoubtedly YES for a lot of the aging liberal baby-boomers who came out of that era!! This whole thing is really a direction that Democrats should NOT be going. Shame on ABC for bringing it up and for Hillary to pile it on.

When it comes to "guilt by association", then the Clintons don't have a leg to stand on.

Peter Paul
Norman Hsu
Sheik of Dubai
Vince Foster
William Hubbell
Vinod Gupta
Marc Rich....

Names that make the Clintons
guilty, beyond any doubt.

When Ayers and Dohrn were running amuck advocating violent revolution, Obama was literally eight years old.

Compare and contrast those facts with Hillary's own association with 60's radicals. In the summer of 1969, when Hillary was just entering Yale Law School, she went to work for the foremost radical law firm in, yes, Berkeley. Carl Bernstein recounts the episode in his Hillary biography of last year titled "A Woman in Charge."

This is what Bernstein told interviewer Jon Wiener last summer:

"That summer she went to work at the most important radical law firm in America at that point: Treuhaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland. They defended the Panthers. Two of their partners were members of the Communist Party--including Bob Treuhaft, who was married to Jessica Mitford. I talked to Bob Treuhaft not long before he died, and he said he was certain that Hillary came there because she subscribed to some of the kind of law they practiced and the kind of clients they defended. In her so-called autobiography, "Living History," she put in a couple of sentences about living in Berkeley with Bill that summer and working at that law firm, but she makes it sound like their work focused on postal rate increases. There's not a word about radicals."

Very little has been written about this episode. One piece, in a conservative paper, goes into great detail speculating on what cases the young Hillary Clinton might have been working.

I have no desire to flesh out any of this information as my position is simple. Every one deserves the best legal defense possible, and I have no problem with Hillary having worked for a law firm run by Communists and engaged in defending Huey Newton and other radicals accused of killing cops and other violent acts.

But the hypocrisy by Clinton on this matter and the acrobatic cherry-picking by Stephanopoulos are simply staggering.

But she used Bill's presidency as her experience - CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD WITHOUT ALSO ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILTY FOR THE BAD.

Not to mention the $800,000 Bill took from Columbia - which goes into Hillary's pocket too. CAN YOU SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!

Obama's responses were certainly not whining and your description of millions of supporters as immature thumb suckers is too ridiculous to even count. In fact, the accusation makes you look like the whining thumb sucker. But you didn't think about that possibility did you now?

I'd like to get some details about this "fundraiser" at Ayers home. My understanding is that it was a fundraiser, but it was for Alice Palmer, not Obama, and he attended at her request.

COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception.....
In the Final Report of the Senate Select Committee The Church Committee documented a history of the FBI being used for purposes of political repression...."Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that...the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association....
According to attorney Brian Glick in his book War at Home ..The FBI and police used myriad other "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble...

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I keep thinking she's secretly hired her friend Karl Rove to work in her campaign........

04/18/08 - Friday

After reading all these post there appears to be a real hole in so many of these spaces left out. Many are sounding like a Dunkin Donut commercial or maybe the zip you get from eating the toxic food they sell. Maybe many are having short term memory loss? It could happen.

Let's 1st start with the question? Where have all of you been the last 8 years? While most of you are pointing out the word 'Change' is what has you off your iPods, Blackberries, Photo Cell Phones & Instant Messenging form of communication, you have thought of jumping on a man who is neither black nor white but Obama is a Mixed Breed. His father was Black from Africa and came to America in 1959. He did not have the Kennedy's pay for him to come over in the 1st 81 students to get educated in America. In fact Obama's father went to the Kennedy Compound in July of 1960 to ask the Kennedys if they would contribute to bring more students over from Africa to get a College Education. The Kennedys at the time were not that hip on giving funds at 1st as they had a thing called President going on in their family. After a bit they thought about it and dropped $100,000 to help out with funds for more students. So the speech Obama has given twice about the Kennedys bringing his father over from Africa is a lie. Not once but twice he has stated this. So the Kennedy connection for Obama is not much to hold water for a history lession is how thankful Obama needs to be to the Kennedys. They did not make it possible for Obama's father to marry a woman from Kansas who was living in Hawaii at the time. Obama's father also divorced his wife in 1962 and married another woman. So much for bonding with his father.

Obamas father got his free education and went back to Africa and for some eyars accomplished some good. Then he started getting a big head and turned off many and lost his connections and took to drinkiing lots. Obama's father was an Alcoholic who died at 46 years young a drunk and broke and his Mother was a Mix Breed from European roots? I find living on Hawaii many years ago you could live very well enjoying the comforts the tropics provides in many ways. So the poor bit I keep hearing Obama stating sounds like he is tap dancing on his fathers grave to the max now.

Lets get something straight here. The only White people in America are the real Americans who were here long before anyone settled the U.S.A.. They are called the American Indians. Of course I realize for many, you have forgotten about them or never learned about them in school unless you had an Indian symbol as your school Mascot. I would sincerely hope all those have been replaced as it is a insult to the American Indians. Sad.

Hillary is not White! She to is a Mix Breed of her European roots. If you want to get a real grasp on history most people from the get go were Black. For the Religious Far Right who think the Earth and People were started 10,000 or 6,000 years ago you really have to stop brainwashing, then you are Religious Cults and that is what you do for a living to pay the business you run.

We have a Nazi Pope in America right now. It would be great if we had a Pope who spoke for all the people on earth but as in any religion they are cults. You want to talk about Faith then you are talking about what someone lives by not by what someone is dictated and brainwashed to think. You live it you discover in the journey of life. No one has to pass the plate or drink the grape juice or watered down wine to impress anyone.

In 1975 I joined the NAACP and have fought for the Civil Rights of all people. For decades I marched and protested and looked into the faces of the KKK and never took anyone of these Hatred peoples crap. How many of you in the past 8 years have Marched and Protested for Equal Rights on all levels? Put that in your pipe and take a big hit. Ahhhhhhhh! Now relax. If you have not lived it then your talk is nothing else but talk. I worked my way through college working 40 hours each week and taking 21 hours each semester. I went to college for 5 years to get degree's in Social Work, Criminal Justice and Public Relations. There is nothing I have not seen or heard over and over again. I put 24 years in my professional life and no one ever gave me a free ride. You see a door open you go through it because you never know if that door will be opened again. You learn the art of networking! This was before any Computer was like a TV in anyone's home.

Lets get back to the past 8 years. I have not heard in the past 8 years anyone excited about what Emperor Bush and his Dick have been doing to our country called America. All of a sudden you are concerned or want the Pop Star of your choice to be President?

"Emperor George W. Bush and his Dick as in shoot your best friend in the face Cheney have and continue to cause the 'Daily' Suffering and Deaths of American Poor, Disabled, G.L.B.T. Community, Senior Citizens, Children, Veterans and the Unemployed by Economic Deprivation. It leaves no finger prints at the crime scene."

How do you bring the Trojan Horse into American by an Appointed Emperor and his Dick?

The answer is simple. You have the Dick have meetings with the C.E.O.'s of the Oil Companies right off the bat and plan to raise the price of oil to cripple the countries economy and by so doing you cause everything to maintain the basics is even out of sight for the general population.

9/11 did not happen from Terrorist that did not like America. It was brought down by the one who was appointed Emperor and his Dick. If any of you have done your homework you would know the history of the Bush family. Daddy Bush's Daddy was the Banker for Hitler. He continued this until America called for war on Germany.

The Bush Family has had close relations with Saudi Arabia Royals for decades and decades. Open up your eyes and ears and learn. The Unjust War on Iraq was a well planned act to follow after 9/11 for the Greed for Oil for the 1% Rich and also to maintain supply and demand to be maintained by the C.E.O.'s of American Oil Companies and Emperor Bush's Dick to profit from. The 'Heritage Foundation' works 24/7 to maintain the Fascist Far Right Agenda going full force to create a society in America of the 1% Rich and the 99% Poor.

We have 4 Million Foreclosures happening in America right now and many more are coming down the pike. During the Republicunt domination in Congress they cut funding in December of 2005 to 141 Entitlement Programs for the Poor and Lower Middle Class. In May of 2006 they again cut more Entitlements to the Poor and Lower Middle Class. When they were in control of Congress they did not make Government smaller they made it bigger. The 1% Rich Far Right Fascist have to have office space for their brainwashed critters to continue their master plan to maintain control over the population.

I have seen all the debates shown on TV. I have heard how the Corporate 5 Media owned have spun and spin what ever they want to. I have also seen it is the one who has the most money the Corporate 5 will be backing for President. Do they do this as a public service to the American People? No! They do it because they want the most advertising $Bucks$ they can get on a sure bet as long as they all maintain the same agenda. You turn to any news program on Networks and their Sister Stations they have on Cable and Satilite TV Stations and you will hear the same spin 24/7.

Those of you who only look at your 2 inch screen on your Cell Phones to watch news or read from your Blackberries, you will see the same news stories that are coming from the same Corporate 5. They each have their own huge Web Sites with all the toys to brainwash anyone who buys into their propaganda. As it appears many have already on a huge scale.

Now lets also realize there is not one person in the U.S. Senate that is not a millionaire. Some have more millions than others but they are still all millionaires. So that is why it is called the 'Million Dollar Club' on Capitol Hill! They do what ever they want to do. They can do fast track bills to help the common person or they can drag it out for years.

We can after 8 years see to have as a real President for a change to pick the one who will represent the most of all the citizens in America and not be focused on an Unjust War in the Mid East. We have had over 5,000 American Troops Murdered, over 30,000 Permanently Paralyzed and Disabled American Troops return home. We have over 80,000 American Troops who are suffering from Post Tramatic Stress Disorder P.T.S.D.. If you do not know how it effects your life and what it does, you should because you need to know what is happening to our fellow American Citizens who have had to join the Military either under false Patriotic feelings due to the Unjust Actions of 9/11 Staged Event or because they joined because it was the only job they could get due to most American Corporations taking their Companies to Mexico or to China. Leaving Millions and Millions of Americans out of work from being FIRED not LAID OFF! If you are LAID OFF and the Company has moved to Mexico or China the gates of the parking lots are chained and the office buildings are empty. There is no job to go back to. They like to use the word LAID OFF as it gives a nicer sound than, "YOUR FIRED'! Ouch it sounds so harsh. But hey, you just got LAID OFF! Well, that is not harsh, it just means your going to not have the money to pay for any bills or your house or apartment or car payments or utilities or that important Cell Phone and iPids and Blackberries and the Internet so many just have to live with. They might even have to use a phone they have to push buttons and hold an reciever that has a wire connected to the base of the phone. We call them Land Line Phones. I am sure for those that have been LAID OFF they are giving Job Training on using a Land Line Phone.

We have U.S. Senator Obama running for President. We have U.S. Hillary Clinton running for President.

I look at the person who has the most experience to be my President. I realize my votes were not counted in the last 2 elections. I still support a Democracy to be ruled as a true Republic. Interesting concept for so many today to think about.

I look for a person who is going to be President who has great leadership skills.

I surely do not want to have a President who can not make a complete sentence and screws up every other word they say. Nor do I want one who does not know their left hand from their right. Nor do I want one who can not answer a simple question asked of them to answer. Oh sorry I have been talking about Emperor Bush.

So I look not at every crack in a person's history as much as I do at what have they accomplished in their life in Public Service. Have any of you with such strong standings for one or the other when it comes to Clinton or Obama been in Public Service? Have any of you been a Public Servent? Have you put your life on the line 24/7 for anyone you have never met before in your life? Who do you call at 3 a.m. in the morning when you have someone breaking into your home or attempting to cause you harm? Do you call the neighbor down the street or do you call a qualifed, expererienced, trained Law Enforcement Officer or Agent to come to your safety.

So when it comes to who I am wanting to answer my call of needs in my life it is going to be the person who does not have to be trained on the job for 4 years. I also think the process of running for Public Servent or Service is a great honor. You do not just do it for the money. You don't need money if your running for President. The White Hosue has 265 Staff to run the place so you don't need an asnwering machine to catch your messages. You have the best the Royals could ever provide that live in Europe and other Countries. Still who is every President is the Diplomat of America for all the World to respect when they go to other countries and when we have other countries leaders come to America. They are the Commander and Chief who make the final choice not the Generals who tell a President what to do.

I am sure one day U.S. Senator Obama will make even more contributions to America than he has in his short time in the U.S. Senate. At this time in America I and most of America wants a Leader who on day one will know what has to be done to bring our troops home in real time. They will know what it takes to turn the ecomomy around for the citizens of America. They will not turn their back and only support the 1% Rich. So I have to support U.S. Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America.

We have for 230 plus years in America had this 'Good Old Boy Network' going as Presidents. It is no plus to America we have left out women as Presidents. It has been discrimination 100%. Let it be stated also for anyone of Mix Breed that appears darker than others to be discrimination 100%. Still to be only darker than others does not make one qualified. You have to have the experience and leadership to have the job as President.

U.S. Seator McCain is just a cookie cutter of Emperor Bush and his Dick to continue on if he was to get his hands on the White House doors. U.S. Senator served our country in another Unjust War but he did have the chance ot come home early but he chose to stay with his men. From this experience U.S. Senator McCain has been in the Congress for 20 years. He voted against Dr. King Day in AZ. and now he thinks it was not such a good idea. Duh. U.S. Senator McCain also has major health issues and I do not know any business that hires 73 year old citizens to work unless they are greeters at Wal-Mart. So he should be thankful he has had a job in the U.S. Senate and lived off the biggest Welfare Program America has to offer.

I realize the many young citizens who hear the word 'Change' and they do not even go to discover what that word will mean. We have as a society been hoodwinked over 8 years ago big time and have seen the National Debt go to over 9 Trillion Dollars. We had a surplus from President Bill Clinton's administration when he left office. That was spent in a few months as hand outs to Corporte America by Emperor Bush and his Dick in real time. We are spending $500,000 dollars every 30 seconds for a very Unjust War in the Mid East. I have put my life on the line so many times for so many people in my 24 professional years I guess that is why I am now bed bound 99% of my life and with the use of an electric wheel chair that took me 2 years to get and now after 8 years is not working makes me wonder, why I have to wait so long from a part from Mexico or China to get it working again. Or maybe it is the food I am limited to buy each month because I live on a very fixed income that most in America would spend in a few days that I have to make go for a whole month? No one can walk or spin their wheels in another persons life unless they have lived that life and seen and experienced some of the same journey's.

I have never asked anyone to pity me for what happened to me from In The Line of Duty. I value life 100%. I also realize you do not cut the Poor in our Society to benefit the 1% Rich Far Right Fascist.

So that is why I am giving my full support to U.S. Senator Hilary Clinton. She has the experience, leadership skills and networking to bring some of what we use to call America back to where it was. It will never be the America we knew after Emperor Bush and his Dick bankrupted our Country. It will though make it possible to have a woman who is qualifed to be President of America for the 1st time. When U.S. Senator Obama has behind him the years of experience and leadership skills it takes to sit in the chair in the Oval Office he will then be able to be President. Right now, U.S. Senator Obama has not gained that in his life. If U.S. Senator Obama was a Dr. King I would vote for him in a New York Minute. But U.S. Senator Obama is not Dr. King nor do we have anyone yet who is a Dr. King to be President. We do have U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton who is really qualified and I am not about to allow this moment in time to be lost to anyone else to be President.

Anyone can yell, shout, and protest but when it comes down to who is the best person for the job I want to hire U.S. Hillary Clinton for he job as President of America. Take Care all and keep focused on what is going to be best for America not what is best for your small group of want to be's. Life is so short even if we live to be 100 years old. I am sure U.S. Senator Obama will be an amazing help to the Democratic Party in many ways he will learn even more for the job when he applys again. For now he is learning in the U.S. Senate with more years of experience to still learn when he applys again to run for President.

Why hasn't Mother Jones corrected David Corn since Eddie posted? I used the link he provides and not only is The Common ills correct, ABC News' Jake Tapper issued a correction today. There was no pardon from Bill Clinton for those women. David Corn's argument falls apart because his facts are wrong. That's embarrassing and the only thing more embarrassing is that Eddie pointed that out here at eight o'clock this morning according to the time stamp. Mother Jones needs to have some standards and before David Corn writes another word, he needs to do his own research and not just run with what some campaign tells him. This is a very low moment for Mother Jones mainly because they went all day without correcting their error after Eddie pointed it out.

If there was no pardon of two weatherman women, how in H did they get on the list and why didn't Hillary deny the allegations?

That missus clinton has been vetted is perhaps the biggest 'fairy tale' of this race.

'BAGGAGE + BOMBS: vetting hillary'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SovbQR0j

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Why anyone would lend credence to Howard Wolfson is beyond me. He's so vile he makes Rove look like Mother Teresa.

Obama is a hatemonger. He hangs out with David Duke types like Pastor Wright and gets endorsements from that Jew hater Louis Farrakhan. There is no room for this hate in a democratic society. Obama is a not so stealth candidate of hate and division. Senator Clinton, along with Bill are unifers.

The questions asked by the moderators in the last debate pissed me off more than any of the answers either of the candidates gave. How did they think any of that garbage is relavent to the menagerie of huge problems our country faces?

Stephanopoulos even began the 16th question to the canidates with, "Let's turn to the economy. This is the number one issue for most Americans." Thanks, George. Thanks for being a tool of tabloid style journalism.

I will gladly vote for either Democratic candidate, but the style of politics the Clinton camp is pushing and the ensuing media feeding frenzy is precicely why she is not my first choice.

Although I am tired of the guilt by association, mud-slinging tactics of the Clinton campaign and the media's tabloid journalism of late, there is an issue here that people are missing, an issue that her campaign is missing. Hillary Clinton did have a role in this debacle. She made contradictory public statements about the clemencies in order to get votes in her Senate run. Her waffling and final stance signified her marginalization of the American citizens that had been killed or harmed by the WU actions. This just shows she will do anything to get a vote (she was counting on a large block of Hispanic votes, 1.3 million) and thereby betray the the little people (the injured citizens and their families in this case). Here is a link to a WSJ article: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120277819085260827.html

I think this issue has a larger implication than the tenuous ones being asserted by her campaign against Obama.

You can't be serious about the clintons. Balkanization is precisely their game. And that they are psychopathic abusers, anti-Semites and racists makes it easy.

Semantha Power did not call her (him, too--in her book) a monster for no reason.

YouTube: 'The Pastor vs. the Genocide: Only one Democrat is unfit'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sVQzu6HgEE

Sitting silently in a pew,
as a preacher spews hate.

Sitting on your hands in the Oval Office,
as 1,000,000 Rwandans are butchered.

Only one of these acts is 'monstrous'....

Only one of the Democratic candidates is profoundly unfit.

Also on YouTube:

hillary 'a monster' (Samantha Power, clinton and Genocide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bVrquf0E44

SECTS, LIES AND VIDEOTAPE: hillary clinton's ethnic slurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxlpI3LuvtU

hillary clinton: LYNCHIN'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FVlKY8Ispg

hillary: 'SPADE WORK' (clinton racist code words)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

Very fine comment. Thanks.

Clinton has turned this campaign into a surreal circus of absurdity as her situation becomes increasingly desperate.

Apparently the Clinton construct is that association with former political radicals working against racism, institutional inequality, Friedmanesque economics, and an industrial-military war complex is far worse than her present associations with criminals the likes of Marc Rich and Peter Paul and others, some yet to be discovered.

Sorry. I wasn't familiar with how this thread worked. The above comment (I hope it's still above) was directed to Mr. X.

Also, thanks, David Corn. You've been at this a long time. I've been reading you for years. Your exposition of the fraud and the lies of our so-called "leaders" is invaluable.

Thanks again for taking all the flack that I am sure you must and all the hard work you have put into being a journalist in the pure sense of the word.

To Sarah-

I am sorry to have to tell you this, but I think that you are far from being an incisive thinker.

Jeremiah Wright may be angry for being discriminated against; David Duke is angry for no longer being able to do so. There's a difference of magnitude and connotation that you seemingly are unable to comprehend.

The Weathermen were no more terrorists than the head-bashing cops were for brutalizing American citizens for trying to express their right to free speech, to address the government for grievances, the right to free assembly--all protected under our First Amendment rights under our Constitution. The war on drugs and the war on terror should really be called the war on our Constitution. Yes, true terrorism really exists, and I am by NO MEANS supporting it--but it has been blown way out of proportion, and we are often the cause of it. We are the ones who created Al Qeada and trained them and bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afganistan. But we betrayed them, because after they defeated the Russians we left them with a war-torn country, and just left, without even saying thanks, let alone helping them out. We have continually insulted them by occupying their country. How would Americans act if a foriegn power set up military bases in America? Also, the terrorism threat has been blown way out of proportion in order to justify perpetual war, which lines the pockets of hundreds of corporations. More people die from car accidents in America alone than die from all International terrorism put together. The odds of dying in a terrorist attack in America are 40,000 to 1. Yet the odds of dying of a heart-attack are 350 to 1. But instead of creating "universal" healthcare for all Americans, we continue to spend more on defense (really should be called offense now)than all other countries combined.
During the Nuremburg trials, we hanged many German Nazis for the EXACT same thing we have done to Iraq and are preparing to do to Iran (which will start WW3 and push gas prices to about 20 dollars a gallon): pre-emptively and agressively attacking a country that has not attacked or provoked us. The government's own Intelligence reports, as well as the U.N.'s say Iran does NOT have nuclear weapons or a nuclear weapons program. The cost of gas is so high because of our war/occupation of Iraq; a military tank gets about 5 miles to a gallon, and fighter jets guzzle petrol. But many Republicans, instead of stopping this costly war, in blood and money (money that we don't have)instead want to solve it by drilling off our coasts and burning more C02 emitting carbon-based fuel...because the oil companies, with their billions, have bought-off most of Congress.
What's worse is the FED, which is NOT a government institution but a private, for-profit, central bank that is the sole reason for what we call "inflation." Search out "America:From Freedom to Fascism" and when you find the webpage, near the middle is a link that says "watch for free on google video"...but it wouldn't hurt to read about the late, great, Academy-award winning director Aaron Russo (Trading Places)....

Roland dear, you know nothing. David Duke and Pastor Wright came from the same womb. Only Pastor Manning(youtube) tells the truth. Educate yourself flat ass Cracker.

So, both Clinton and Obama have terrorist ties?

I think they both detest America and that's why it was okay for Bill Clinton to pardon terrorists and that's why Obama has ties with the likes of Rev. Wright and Ayers.

I don't see how you can make fun of someone who has the same connections you have it is hypocritical like this whole pre election