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Early on a bright, chilly January morning, Donald Specter walks into a soaring, wood-paneled federal courtroom in San Francisco. Standing before a judge in the nearly empty chamber, Specter begins to relentlessly pick apart a series of guards and administrators from nearby San Quentin State Prison. Slender, with thinning hair, plain glasses, and a gray beard in need of a trim, the 56-year-old strikes an unassuming presence. He speaks in such low-key tones that I strain to hear him at times, and his constant fumbling of papers gives him an absentminded air. Yet few people have more insight into the workings—or rather, the failings—of California's vast, violent corrections system.

As prison officials take the stand, Specter bores into them about the dismal state of death row at the maximum-security lockup, which is currently at 157 percent capacity. First, there is the question of cleaning supplies: Staffers explain in tedious detail the procedures for purchasing soap, brushes, and buckets, yet can't say whether inmates actually receive them. A plant manager insists that the bird droppings littering the cell block aren't a problem, even though the state has described them as "excessive." An hour is spent on laundry; an official admits he does not know why many death-row inmates wash their clothing and sheets in the toilets. This is followed by a lengthy discussion of whether the law library is adequately stocked.

This mind-numbing dissection of the prison's inner workings (which went on to include a discussion of the "stalactites of slime" growing in the showers) displays the uniquely dysfunctional way that California manages its desperately overcrowded, shockingly expensive prisons. Which is to say that it doesn't—Specter does. He's not a warden or a state employee, but a public interest lawyer who heads the Prison Law Office, an inmate-rights organization whose tiny size gives no hint of its outsized influence. Over the past 32 years, it has won a long string of class action lawsuits against the state. Judges have repeatedly found that California has violated the constitutional guarantee against cruel and unusual punishment and ordered sweeping improvements. In each case, the Prison Law Office has won the right to oversee the fixes, which can take ages; the case heard in January is about 29 years old. Specter and his 11 colleagues currently oversee court orders covering medical, dental, and mental health care for inmates; disabled prisoners; the parole system; and juvenile prisons, among others. The firm's $3 million budget is largely supplied by the state, which has to pay the plaintiffs' fees every time it loses a case, which is just about every time.

"We don't like to say it, but they practically run things," explains Jeanne Woodford, who went from being a guard at San Quentin to becoming its warden and then the head of the state corrections department under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger until she quit in frustration two years ago. "The bureaucracy, the way it is structured, cannot keep up with what they have to do at all. Under the normal process, it takes a year to change a rule, a simple rule. The court says, 'Do this,' and you just do it. Believe me, we'd get none of the resources we really need if it weren't for the litigation and the Prison Law Office."

Even James Tilton, secretary of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, admitted in an interview before his sudden resignation in April that Specter's work serves a purpose. "I'm trying to break that old system down," he said, "but there are some areas where the litigation can be helpful."

Specter doesn't embrace the burden of reforming the prison system one lawsuit at a time, but he sees little alternative. "I've tried persuasion," he says. "We tried coercion. We've tried the press. I haven't found anything else except litigation and the courts. As frustrating as litigation is, it's the only thing that I've seen that's effective—and it's not very effective."

Prison Break

california's archipelago of 33 prisons houses more than 170,000 inmates, nearly twice the number it was designed to safely hold. Almost all of its facilities are bursting at the seams: More than 16,000 prisoners sleep on what are known as "ugly beds"—extra bunks stuffed into cells, gyms, dayrooms, and hallways. Schwarzenegger has referred to the system as a "powder keg"; in October 2006, he declared a state of emergency, citing the effects of overcrowding—electrical blackouts, sewage spills, dozens of riots, and more than 1,600 attacks on prison guards in the previous year. Last year, a nonpartisan state oversight agency declared the prison system to be "in a tailspin that threatens public safety and raises the risk of fiscal disaster."

There is little disagreement that the status quo is unsustainable, yet the system just keeps on ballooning. Even as Schwarzenegger has promised reform, the corrections budget has exploded during his term, from $4.7 billion in fiscal 2004 to nearly $10 billion in fiscal 2007, or about $49,000 for each adult inmate. In contrast, the 220,000-student University of California system gets less than $4 billion annually. The prisons' operating costs do not include the $7.7 billion that Schwarzenegger and the Legislature have agreed to spend on adding thousands of new beds to ease overcrowding. Nor does it include the additional $7 billion the state will spend to improve health care for prisoners—as mandated by yet another federal case won by the Prison Law Office.

Meanwhile, services for prisoners have all but collapsed, from literacy classes (nearly one-fifth of California's inmates leave prison totally illiterate despite a law mandating that they read at a ninth-grade level before release) to medical care. In 2005, after a federal judge found that an inmate a week was dying due to incompetence or inadequate care, he placed the prison health care system under a court-appointed administrator. "This statistic, awful as it is, barely provides a window into the waste of human life occurring behind California's prison walls," wrote the exasperated judge.

Since peaking in 1992, the state's violent crime rate has dropped 53 percent. Even if the drop can be attributed to fewer criminals on the streets—which some experts dispute—it does not fully explain why the prison population has nearly doubled since 1990. The number of inmates entering prison with new felony convictions has not risen much in the past decade; last year, around 34 percent of the 139,000 incoming inmates had new convictions. But a startling 51 percent of the new admissions were parole violators, mostly serving brief sentences for breaking their terms of release. At any given moment, about 11 percent of all California prisoners are parolees back behind bars for technical violations. The state has the highest recidivism rate in the country, close to 70 percent—compared with about 50 percent nationwide.

California's ills are exceptional, but they provide a warning about the enormous costs of a system singularly focused on punishment over rehabilitation. For more than three decades, California has been trapped in a self-perpetuating cycle where putting more people in prison for longer periods of time has become the answer to every new crime to capture the public's attention—from drug dealing and gangbanging to tragic child abductions. Spurred on by a powerful prison guards' union and politicians afraid of looking soft on crime, corrections has become a bottomless pit, where countless lives and dollars disappear year after year. And now that it has metastasized to the point where even a tough-guy governor and the guards agree that the prisons must be downsized or else (see "Taming of the Screws"), every attempt at change seems stymied by inertia. The sheer size of the system has become the biggest obstacle to finding alternatives to warehousing criminals without preparing them for anything more than another cycle of incarceration. "The public believes the prison population reflects the crime rate," says James Austin, a corrections consultant who has served on several prison-reform panels in California. "That's just not true. It's because of California's policies and the way it runs the system."

Prison Break

arnold Schwarzenegger stormed into the governor's office in 2003 after winning a recall election against his Democratic predecessor, Gray Davis. The former action hero sought to turn his larger-than-life personality into equally grand results, especially in the state's ineffective prisons. As one of his first official acts, he chose a reform-minded administrator named Rod Hickman to head his corrections department and help figure out "how to put this broken system back together." He even amended the name of the California Department of Corrections, adding the word "rehabilitation."

The $49,000 Question

California spends around $49,000 annually per adult inmate, nearly 4 times Mississippi, which spends $13,300. Where does the money go? A partial breakdown:

Security

$20,429

Medical services

$7,669

Parole operations

$4,436

Facility operations

$3,938

Administration

$2,871

Psychiatric services

$1,403

Food

$1,377

Education

$687

Records

$513

Vocational education

$289

Inmate welfare fund

$282

Clothing

$152

Religion

$53

Activities

$23

Library

$23

Transportation

$15

Sources: Bureau of Justice Statistics; California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation; National Association of State Budget Officers

Initially, Schwarzenegger signaled a potential sea change from the get-tough approach his predecessors had taken for three decades. Like many states, in the late 1970s California was swept up by a bipartisan insistence that government needed to punish, not coddle, criminals. He may have been known as "Governor Moonbeam," but it was Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown who kicked off the state's embrace of harsh sentencing in the mid-'70s. The penal code was changed in 1976 to state that "the purpose of imprisonment for crime is punishment." Dozens of tough laws were passed under the governors that followed, including stricter sentences, fewer opportunities for release for good behavior, and an early, sweeping three-strikes law. Predictably, the state prison system grew exponentially. In 1970 California had 12 prisons and 23,000 prisoners; 30 years later, it had 21 new prisons and six times more inmates.

There was no lack of blueprints to guide Schwarzenegger's vow to fix the prisons while still ensuring public safety. Few prison systems have been more thoroughly studied than California's. Various official panels have identified overcrowding as untenable and have recommended shrinking the number of prisoners with methods proven to rehabilitate inmates and reduce recidivism.

Early on, Schwarzenegger's corrections department endorsed these "evidence based" solutions. A large body of data has demonstrated that smart programs that rely on treatment, and include carrots and sticks, can provide some inmates the skills to manage their lives without resorting to crime. For the tens of thousands of inmates who cannot read, even a modest amount of education can put jobs within reach. For inmates suffering from mental illness—up to 30 percent of California's prisoners—a combination of therapy, medication, and counseling both inside and outside of prison can reduce recidivism. Between 50 and 75 percent of California's inmates have substance abuse problems, but only 11 percent receive alcohol or drug treatment, less than half the national average. Yet, according to a landmark study by the Washington State Institute for Public Policy, intensive drug-treatment programs for prisoners reduce their chances of reoffending by an average of 17 percent. For every dollar invested in substantive vocational, therapy, or substance abuse programs for inmates and parolees, states can save anywhere from $2 to $98 in the form of lower costs for everything from prisons to courts to police.

But there was no greater statement of the governor's fresh agenda than his attempt to fix the parole system so that it might actually keep parolees out of prison. No matter what his crime, every single inmate in California is put on parole for at least one year—and as many as three—after release, a more stringent requirement than nearly any other state's. This leaves parole agents overworked, and most inmates do not receive adequate support in looking for jobs, therapy, or drug rehab. Parole has become a series of trip wires that, when crossed, can put parolees back in prison for months at a time. Last year, 21,000 parolees returned to prison for committing new crimes. More than 70,000 were sent back for "administrative" infractions, such as failing to report to their parole agents on time, changing addresses without authorization, or drug use or possession. Given that a majority of parolees have serious substance abuse problems, are mentally ill, or both, these violations can be chronic. Many parolees who have committed no new crimes get churned in and out of prison in what some refer to as "life on the installment plan."

In early 2004, Schwarzenegger announced the New Parole Model, a combination of residential drug treatment, electronic home detention, and halfway houses that was designed to keep parole violators out of prison. Corrections Secretary Hickman said it would slash the prison population by 13,000 in a few years. He was so confident that he warned local politicians they would have to wrestle over which prisons to close. But the policy encountered staunch resistance from the prison guards' union as well as victims' rights groups, which produced a television ad campaign that suggested that hardened criminals were being set free. Confronted by institutional obstinacy and political fearmongering, Schwarzenegger caved. In April 2005, he quietly and abruptly abandoned the New Parole Model. Three years later, the prison population remains at a crisis level. The state has forecast that, without any changes to the parole system, it will grow by 13 percent, to 192,000, in the next five years.

Prison Break

Photo: Victor J. Blue/Koppel on Discovery


 

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you nailed it. Tilton and Spitzer blocked Schwarzenegger's attempt to release non-violent prisoners and the spineless democrats refused to put up a fight. They're so frightened of Todd Spitzer. Now Schwarzenegger has given up the fight and is waiting for the 3-judge panel to set a prison cap. Then all the legislators with NO political courgage will sit back and blame the courts. They disgust me.
Posted by:eileenJuly 22, 2008 11:54:29 AMRespond ^
California needs enough prison cells to lock up violent and career criminals. But in arguing that California needs 43 to 53,000 new prison beds is far from taxpayer friendly. New York has no three strikes law, but its violent crime rate has fallen faster than California's since 1994, when California's three strikes took effect. Over that same period, New York's corrections spending grew from $2 billion to $2.6 billion while the cost to California taxpayers jumped from $2.9 billion to $8.8 billion. And that doesn't count the $7.4 billion extra that California lawmakers approved last year to alleviate severe overcrowding or another $7 billion a federal receiver says is needed to provide adequate inmate health care. States like Arizona, Texas and Kansas are controlling both crime and costs by building strong community corrections options for low-risk offenders, which helps ensure there's sufficient prison space for dangerous criminals. Rather than simply trying to demonstrate they're tough on crime, these states are delivering a higher return on taxpayers' investments in public safety whereas California's lawmakers and voters are in a battle to see who can add the most draconian laws to the books to bankrupt the state.
Posted by:MichaelJuly 22, 2008 12:33:41 PMRespond ^
There are conflicting facts about prison overcrowding. Our Governor and Legislators reported prisons “operating at over 200% of design capacity”. The Legislative Analysist (LAO) reported an actual shortage of 16,600 beds. Our Governor and Legislators passed AB 900 to provide $6.5 billion for construction of 40,000 prison beds. The LAO indicated the construction proposal would result in a huge prison bed surplus.



The prison bed shortage could be eliminated without spending any of the AB 900 bond funds. The State could release Requests for Proposals for additional correctional beds to cities, counties and correctional corporations. Only about 4% of the California prison population is held in contract facilities compared to 9% in Texas and 6% in Florida. Contract beds would also save at least $60 to $120 million annually in prison operating costs.



The State will undoubtedly be required by the Federal courts to fund the construction of additional prison health care facilities. The $6.5 billion in bond funds could be used to pay for the required health facilities.



Our Governor and Legislature will waste the $6.5 billion for unnecessary prison bed construction for one simple reason. If they didn’t, the correctional employee unions would be very displeased.

Posted by:rich mckoneJuly 23, 2008 2:25:59 PMRespond ^
I think that the State of California is in violation of many Federal Laws that protect the prisoner population as a class of people under the law. The institutionalized persons act protects people from abuse in institutions. Overcrowding is an issue here. The laws are becoming stricter here and more and more people are going to prison for really nothing. The is the celling of America. There is very little medical treatment for the prisoners and they are being warehoused like cattle. It is abusive no matter what the stats reveal.
Posted by:Roxanne D. Greschner M.A.July 23, 2008 5:39:32 PMRespond ^
If CA spends nearly 4 times the money that MS does per inmate, does CA get nearly 4 times better conditons? Does CA get safer streets? Does CA get....well, you get the drift. Please post where MS spends its money in a line by line comparison. Thanks
Posted by:Eric D HollandJuly 23, 2008 5:42:24 PMRespond ^
I bet they could save alot of money if they:

1. Executed ALL deathrow inmates..!
2. Put tents in the desert surrounded by machine gun towrs.
3. Made prisinors break rocks 12hrs a day, then charge them for food.
4. Send inmate a bill at end of sentence for costs, and attach ALL future wages.

Just to name a few..:-)

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighJuly 25, 2008 2:00:12 PMRespond ^
If our society viewed substance as a medical condition, rather than a crime, many of those people would not be in prison. The problem is people accept without thought what the authorities say about drug addicts: their criminals. When the truth is they are not criminals, but human beings with a medical condition who need medical solutions. Locking these people in cages is probably the worst thing you could do for them, short of promoting their addiction. Likewise for those suffering mental illness. We don't explicitly say it in our society, but the truth is if you have a mental illness in America, you are either an "undesirable" or a criminal. Mental illness is not a crime, it's a medical condition that requires medical solutions. Locking someone with a mental illness in a cage is THE worst thing you can do for that person.

The system is so deeply flawed, no amount of reforms will save it. It needs to be uprooted and a new system of rehabilitation and care must be given all the necessities to grow.
Posted by:AllisonJuly 27, 2008 12:59:57 PMRespond ^
I'm not sure if Bill Nigh was making a poor attempt at sarcasm or if he was being serious.

But I am sure there are people who sincerely believe in the likes of what Bill Nigh wrote.

Honestly, to desire such ill treatment towards fellow human beings is a great sickness. Has compassion lost all value in this day and age, when an armchair critic can fantasize about the torture of human beings and not be called out?
Posted by:HeatherJuly 27, 2008 1:14:45 PMRespond ^
I've worked in Correctional Facilities, both State Prison and jails in California. Many of those incarcerated, if not a majority, are actually mentally ill individuals who, if given adequate treatment in a mental health setting rather than incarceration, would end up costing our current ineffective system millions of dollars less annually. In addition, the thousands who are locked up yearly for minor drug violations, rather than given treatment options, is one of the biggest wastes of taxpayers dollars we Californians endure. The Corrections system is California is broken and primarily serves the will of the prison guards and their organization, CCPOA the most powerful union in the state.
Posted by:ritaJuly 28, 2008 4:35:49 PMRespond ^
compassion? ok, nice idea, however in reality money talks b.s. walks...
Devoid of feelings? $.26 per prisoner, one time, problem gone.
Bill's post is compassionate.
Posted by:N.P.July 30, 2008 3:54:27 PMRespond ^
It all starts at home. Many of the inmates never received proper parenting. They are big kids without boundaries who need to be babysat. Perhaps we need to look at the source and figure out how to reduce the birth rate of people having babies when they can't even take care of themselves. I think we should hold people who receive government assistance more accountable with re: to childrearing practices to ensure they are doing their job. They ask much from taxpayers in assistance. Therefore, we must ask much from them. This solution would nip it in the bud long before they enter the system. Lets face it, once they are in the system most of them are at the point of no return.
Posted by:LFAugust 6, 2008 10:15:32 AMRespond ^
dear bill nigh
unless your willing to endure what u say others should
shut the [deleted] up
u just might be the next 1 they lock up
Posted by:heideAugust 7, 2008 10:21:12 AMRespond ^
Hey Heide,

YES...!!!
I would agree for give up my life, if i murder someone..Wouldn't you..? And if i commited a felony and was sent to prison, YES i think the family should be billed for it..!!!
You have no idea how many people i have heard say that as soon as a persons appeal is rejected by the supreme court, they should be marched to the wall and SHOT..!!!

Or are you one of those people that thinks that a person who rapes and murders YOUR child, should be put in jail and paroled some day..?

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 7, 2008 11:42:37 AMRespond ^
Yea, and if you could even spell the word, "prisoners", maybe somebody would listen to your hillbilly rhetoric. Besides other hillbillies, I mean.
Posted by:Bob SpraintAugust 8, 2008 4:47:24 PMRespond ^
So the purpose of the corrections department is punishment, not correction. We have over one percent of the US population in jail right now. By all accounts it is a profitable growth industry for the private prison corporations who bribe, er, lobby legislators to pass longer sentences and further privatize the prison system. The private prison corporations are never going to give up their lucrative racket. They bid a per head rate and care for the prisoner with money they withhold from their profits. The problem is that the prisoners know their lives are essentially over once they are in the system. Ex-cons can't vote, hold public office, etc. Their debt to society is never paid. They go in with an associate level knowledge of selling pot and come out with a masters in cocaine and criminal gang membership.
Cops want to get bad guys. It's part of their job along with lying in front of the grand jury to get the indictment. (Do you really think the DA will prosecute a perjurer who lies to help the DA's case?) DA's want a 95% conviction rate so they can perpetrate a promotion for themselves. Judges don't want to be seen as soft on crime. Public Defenders are swamped. Those who can not afford a good criminal lawyer learn that freedom is not free. Those with resources are entitled to all the justice they can afford. Poor and minorities are concentrated in prisons by this patently unfair system.
The Correction Department produces only professional criminals and jail birds.
Oh, and the cheapest alternative is prevention through education.
Posted by:SkylerAugust 11, 2008 10:56:14 PMRespond ^
Whenever the topic of justice in America comes up, particularly in regards to the California prison system, I can't help but think of Leandro Andrade.

Andrade is the man who got a 50 year sentence for stealing 9 childrens' videotapes from two stores in southern California in 1994. It was his 3rd strike, and this followed two other non-violent crime convictions.

Justice is blind, but it doesn't have to be deaf and stupid as well. This is a perfect example of how people at the top of the heap can steal millions and ruin the lives of thousands (such as Lay and Skilling did) and get short sentences in Club Fed while, on the other hand, the rest of us face the full vengeance of The People for petty crimes.

A few years ago, Don Henley (Eagles) co-wrote a song called "Gimme What You Got" that contains these gems...

Gimme What You Got by Don Henley (excerpt)

You can arm yourself, alarm yourself
But there's nowhere you can run
'Cause a man with a briefcase
can steal more money
Than any man with a gun

You got the price of admission-
You don't have to ask permission
To take somethin' from another man
You cross a lawyer with the godfather, baby
Make you an offer that you can't understand

From Main Street to Wall Street to Washington
From men to women to men
It's a nation of noses pressed up against the glass
They've seen it on the TV
And they want it pretty fast

-Wexler
Posted by:William W. WexlerAugust 12, 2008 8:13:30 AMRespond ^
I Just watched Jennifer Gonnerman on C-Span Washington Journal and she totally ignored a ex-inmate stating she now has to compete against illegals on the outside, and it's easier for them to get a job, than it is for her.

My father lost his $20 an hour construction jobs to illegals who will work for $12. Some of the illegals my father has worked with can't even read a tape measure, but it doesn't matter because they will work for $12.

My mother also used to work cleaning apartments at times, but that's a job a citizen in my area can no longer get.

I know people from Mexico are poor, but illegal immigration directly effects the wages of the poorest people in the US. Poverty creates desperation, and desperation creates crime.

No I'm not raised, I'm married to a legal Latin immigrant.

Immigration is an issue that should not be over looked. The poor of Latin America need to be helped in some other way, rather than competing in the job market with our poor. I believe groups like the ACLU have become corporate America's greatest weapon against the poor.

One thing we should look at is US foreign policy if we want to help the poor of Latin America. Check out John Pilger's "The War On Democracy"
mrxfromplanetx(.)com/the-war-on-democracy

John Stossel also has a great article "Myth More Foreign Aid Will End Global Poverty" He states foreign aid to government goes to politicians not the poor. We need to end foreign aid to governments, and direct the money to charities that actually help poor people.
Posted by:Amapola MorenoAugust 12, 2008 9:42:09 AMRespond ^
real good information....but picture is bigger!
Posted by:sohail khanAugust 12, 2008 11:17:24 AMRespond ^
The prison system in California was there long before ol' Arnawld was elected. As a former Biker/Gang Member/Drug Manufacturer i love these liberals! Professor Angela Davis has noted we could learn a lot from from the prison inmate population....oh indeed!!! oh indeed!!! I have known several people who left with degrees....i agree that re-education such as the Chinese and Vietnamese do...God bless Dirty harry
Posted by:TimrayAugust 12, 2008 12:18:48 PMRespond ^
The problem: Inadequate prison system management. Government run systems are infamous for not doing a good job at running systems. Look at our schools, IRS, prisons, etc.
The solution: Privatize the system. Companys that do poorly will be weeded out. Companys that are run well will succeed.

The problem: Too many inmates return to prison. Rehabilitation will not work for the vast majority. Why? Because for rehabilitation to work, you have to rehabilitate the convicts' friends. When they get out of prison, they have 10-15 buddies waiting to encourage them to return to their previous lifestyle.
The solution: Tough love. Make prison a miserable place to be and maybe they will try to seek a different lifestyle otherwise there is no motivation to change. As a migrant field worker, believe me, I had motivation to change my lifestyle.
Posted by:RaulAugust 12, 2008 12:40:52 PMRespond ^
I am a California resident. I sent my nephew to High School in Wisconsin just because the education system is better,the gang problem is not an issue and the threat of going to jail for minors is not as great. I don't want him to come back here, so I am considering moving out. I came to California for opportunity. I am going to leave out of fear "for" the males in my family. I don't want them taken by the system. I have a College Degree and a Profession Degree (JurD.) I am African American.
Posted by:Carolyn SmithAugust 12, 2008 1:23:04 PMRespond ^
I just watched Jennifer Gonnerman on C-Span and I wanted to bring up some points I don't believe were made on the program. I think a part of our problem is with court appointed attorneys. I have seen that someone with a court appointed attorney either ends up taking a plea bargain (unnecessarily sometimes and with worse consequences) or gets more time than someone with the means to hire their own attorney. It seems that, at least here in Texas, that the court appointed attorneys really push for someone to take a plea bargain. If they go on to court, then the attorney doesn't fight very hard at all for that person. For the court appointed attorney, the quicker they can get a case resolved, the less work for themselves. Most I have come across do not really care what is in the best interest of their client. One other problem is that too many crimes are classified the same and the sentence given is set for that crime with no looking at the individual circumstances. For example, if you have a gun in your hand, pointed at the ground and are yelling at someone, that is considered aggravated assault. If you have a gun and actually shoot someone, that is aggravated assault. Aggravated assault has a sentence of 2 - 20 years. How are these the same? I find that there are too many inconsistencies in our system. I also find that people here in Texas don't look at cases individually at all and more people end up in prison that shouldn't be there. I have gone to jury duty and was amazed by how many people felt (before a trial even began and a jury picked) that if the police had enough to arrest that person, that that person had to be guilty. They had already convicted them in their mind. These are some of the major problems I find with our current system and it is something we all need to be concerned about. Who knows, it may be you or a family member who is next in this situation.
Posted by:LauraAugust 12, 2008 1:24:07 PMRespond ^
Jennifer Gonnerman said that no presidential candidate had addressed the prison and inmate problems which unfortunately is untrue. If you go to Barack Obamas website and look under Urban policies/Crime you will see that he has addressed crime and rehabilitation.
Posted by:MikeAugust 12, 2008 2:23:57 PMRespond ^
The fact is simple...America's Criminal Justice System is a joke! We lock people up for far too long. Legalize it. regulate it, & tax it and you get a reduction in prison overcrowding.
Posted by:Steve DallasAugust 12, 2008 9:55:06 PMRespond ^
The State of California is supposed to have something like a 100-plus billion, that's BILLION dollar budget. If they cannot construct and maintain quarters that are to standard for their 170k inmates, it certainly isn't the taxpayers' fault anymore. CA in general has money problems, CA like other states has unions to contend with, that like to be paid Lots Of Money. One thing that CA does have in their favor, though, is Gov. Schwarzenegger, and if he assembles a fact-finding team and starts giving reform directions based on their recommendations, and gets any static about it, one thing the governor can do is basically fire anyone that gets in his way to get the instructions carried out. The Governator is Most Powerful. Well, hopefully the voters will stand behind him in prison improvement and reform efforts and that'll make him powerful enough to ensure safety and hygiene and humane treatment etc., maybe they can find volunteers from among the ranks of the inmates who'd be willing to help with the work necessary to improve their facilities. Public transparency concerning all monies involved is key, unions aren't necessarily a force for the good, there.
Posted by:BertAugust 13, 2008 9:53:12 PMRespond ^
Bill Nigh.

Unfortunately the lack of knowledge expressed by the "Nigh" of America is also the thinking of the rest who have never studied the alternatives.

Singapore has the death penalty for crimes that even by American standards are minor. Hong Kong does not. Singapore has always judicially murdered but its crime rate, especially the ones bringing life's termination
continues to grow.

The U S A has the most severe criminal penalties in the western world and, by far, a much higher crime rate. Compare the rates of America with even your next door neighbour Canada, then to N Z
Australia, U.K. Your penalties are more severe. You have the Death Penalty, the others do not, and neither does Europe and they all have a lower per capita prison population, and a lower violent crime rate.

The answer to violent crime is for the State to be as violent in response?
When I can be shown it is the answer I might agree, but the figures show otherwise.

Malaysia has the death penalty for selling a small amount of drugs and regularly carries out this Judicial Murder. Hasn't even reduced the offences.. They still happen

tomedgar@halenet.com.au
Posted by:Tom EdgarAugust 14, 2008 3:23:15 AMRespond ^
To Bill Nigh
ALERT! Redneckism has been classified as a felony.
Get your rock smackin' hand strong.
Pete Wilson is waiting for you on the bus with the other knuckle-draggers.
Posted by:Dan StashmanAugust 14, 2008 1:38:46 PMRespond ^
"Non-violent" criminals usually often, though not always, means those who are guilty of breaking drug and prostitution laws.

As usual, we need to get rid of the drug and prostitution laws. But "moral" people will always prevent it, and thus be the main ones undermining a sane justice system, whether in California, or anywhere else.

I mean, they (the "moral" people) really LIKE tying everyone up in this endless bull[deleted].
Posted by:LBCAugust 14, 2008 1:46:32 PMRespond ^
Hey People,

Yuo posters from outside the USA do not understand our country. Our population wants MORE people put to death..!!! Not less, and we will NEVER get rid of the death sentance..:-) Would just be nice if they didn't sit in prison for 20 yrs BEFORE they were put to death..!!! Unless, they had been gang raped EVERY DAY by the cell mate... HAHAHA
Now that is justice...!!!

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 14, 2008 1:52:49 PMRespond ^
If only redneck hillbillies could spell the English language..........
Posted by:Dan StashmanAugust 14, 2008 2:01:35 PMRespond ^
Hey dan,

No, actualy lib's are the ones classified as felons, it is called TREASON..!!

Proud to be a California RedNECK..!!!

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 14, 2008 6:34:53 PMRespond ^
Nigh! Some people posting from outside YOUR country have actually come from there, others have travelled to, and lived there. Most have an understanding not only of its lack of education and moral standards, they also know that the attitudes that you display are not only counter productive
but are also not cost effective. Vindictive, harsh and extreme penalties as punishment, has NEVER been beneficial to either the community, or in rehabilitation of the offender.
It is gratifying to people, such as yourself to see others suffer, primarily because there is very little difference between you and the offender.
Just that they were CAUGHT offending
You just obtain salacious pleasure contemplating it.

The pejorative "Redneck" is something of which only a moron could be proud.
It means an uneducated, ill informed, bigot usually with overtones of racial superiority brought about by an actual inferiority complex. So either you are proud to have these attributes or you are a misguided "Stirrer". Either way not very nice company.
tomedgar@halenet.com.au
Posted by:Tom EdgarAugust 14, 2008 8:53:09 PMRespond ^
John Stossel?? You couldn't find an appropriate quote from Rush Limbaugh on the topic? Stossel's only expertise in on how much make-up to wear on camera.
Posted by:chomboAugust 15, 2008 5:32:13 PMRespond ^
What Bill and so many others fail to understand is that most people in prison are not violent offenders. Yet they go on expounding their hateful rhetoric that in reality is just as much a part of the problem as poverty and under-education.
Posted by:NathanAugust 18, 2008 5:43:36 PMRespond ^
Wow, I usually do not agree with you, but (except for the 'tents in the desert') this time you are spot on!
Posted by:smags72August 18, 2008 8:29:27 PMRespond ^
Hey nathan,

Don't you think that spending a few months in the palm springs desert would go a long way in maknig "non-violent" criminals NOT return to prison..?
And making them PAY for everything would give them a good lesson in being accountable.. huh..?

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighAugust 19, 2008 2:17:40 PMRespond ^
And please note that the state pays $7669.00 per inmate per year in medical expenses, yet most inmates never receive care. Needs investigating.
Posted by:MarieAugust 24, 2008 10:13:19 PMRespond ^

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