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Iraq: Dems' Dreams Dashed?

Washington Dispatch: When the Democrats took back Congress they promised a "new direction" in Iraq. What happened?

January 31, 2008


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On Monday, Senate Democrats held a "media summit" for reporters, where they outlined their agenda for the coming year. They promoted all their plans for creating economic stimulus, protecting civil liberties, and pushing health care reform. But when it came to the Iraq war, they had nothing new to say. The senators expressed a general commitment to ending the war and called for Iraqis to take more responsibility for their future. But as George W. Bush enters his final year in office, the Democrats appear to have no good ideas on how to confront him on Iraq.

On election night 2006, a triumphant Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker-to-be, promised a "new direction" in Iraq. And in the months that followed, congressional Democrats, hoping they could force a change in the president's policy, attempted a variety of legislative maneuvers to do just that, even at one point staging an all-nighter in the Senate in advance of a vote to withdraw troops. All those efforts failed.

The president refused to budge, and congressional Republicans have remained steadfast in their opposition to bills that tied war funding to withdrawal timetables, shortened deployments, or restrained the troops' mission in Iraq. Using Senate filibusters and once relying on the President's veto pen, Republicans were able to block Democratic efforts to change course in Iraq.

There are more American troops in Iraq today than when the Democrats assumed the majority in Congress. On Monday, the Pentagon announced that the president will ask Congress next week for another $70 billion to fund the war through his last day in office. And the administration has signaled that it may seek to enter a long-term security agreement with Iraq, which could lay the groundwork for a military commitment that extends beyond the Bush presidency. Also on Monday, Bush issued a presidential "signing statement" indicating that the White House may ignore provisions included in a recently passed defense authorization bill, among them a measure prohibiting permanent American bases in Iraq.

In July, Lee Hamilton, the former Democratic congressman and co-chair of the Iraq Study Group, predicted that "the Democrats are not going to stop the war." It's becoming increasingly clear that he was right. The Associated Press reported on Monday that Democrats are reluctant to begin debate on the $70 billion spending bill because they don't have the votes to bring the troops home. To stop the war, the Democrats could filibuster funding for the troops. But a majority of congressional Democrats have balked at resorting to this "nuclear option."

Without a legislative exit strategy, Democratic leaders in Congress still insist that Iraq remains a priority. Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, says, "both the Speaker and Senator Reid are committed to try to force a change in policy." But he concedes that congressional leaders remain "a bit surprised that the Republicans, especially in the Senate, stuck to the President this far." It is possible that vulnerable Republicans who are up for reelection this November will change their positions on the war. But as American casualties in Iraq have fallen in recent months, Republican pro-war rhetoric has grown more strident, not less so.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and a leading anti-war Democrat, said this week that despite the obvious political obstacles, the Democrats should not cease efforts to end the war. "Of course, we have to have a Democratic president if we want the troops home at all," she said. "But we cannot stop the [antiwar] drumbeat because that would be irresponsible. . .We have a responsibility, and that is to talk about this, and remind people that it's going on. They've got to know that members of Congress 'get it' and care."

Ninety-four members of Congress have signed a letter Woolsey circulated promising not to vote to fund any war measure that does not bring the troops home. And Woolsey herself has new legislation planned for February that will, she says, "bring our troops home in orderly fashion within a year." The bill, like others the Democrats have advanced during the past year, seems doomed, but Woolsey is unfazed. "It's on my watch," she said. "And there's nothing in me resigned that this is OK and I can wait a year before any more is done about it."

Even some antiwar activists now seem to accept that withdrawing from Iraq is a non-starter in Congress—at least until there is a Democratic president. Judith LeBlanc, the national organizing coordinator for United for Peace and Justice, an umbrella group for antiwar organizations, says that the movement's high hopes at the beginning of 2007 have led to a letdown. While she praised the Democrats' efforts, LeBlanc said that "the political reality is that the pro-war side maintained a lot of political momentum and political control. The slim margin in the Senate effectively blocked any attempts to end the war." Currently, she says, her organization and its member groups are planning anti-war rallies to pressure Congress in the coming year. But, she acknowledges, it is "unlikely" large numbers of troops will depart Iraq before the close of the Bush presidency. "It's unfortunate, and many more U.S. troops and Iraqi people will die," she said.

Nick Baumann is Mother Jones' Washington fellow.



 

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Posted by:eleanorJanuary 31, 2008 2:53:48 PMRespond ^
Nancy folded like a cheap kite, that's what happened. Conyers is probably sitting directly on the paperwork from Kucinich re: impeachment. Why? You throw Bush and Cheney out of office, it's going to kick over the whole little applecart there in Washington. Try to conceptualize, for a minute, how many hundreds of billions are wrapped up in 'defense'(mother of all jobs programs). Now, you understand why they step outside next to the parking meter to 'speak on behalf of the people'. Disgusting. Grab your ovaries, Nancy, tell IG BushCo and their oilpals to stuff it. Troops home, facts on the table, talk turkey on the budget. 'National security' doesn't mean enlist half of Mexico/Kazakhstan into the US Army. Drug testing all around, nuff said.
Posted by:BertJanuary 31, 2008 4:38:22 PMRespond ^
I really dont think the Democrats ever wanted to stop the 'freedom operation' in Iraq. The Democrats, as well as the Republicans, are playing a game of 'informal empire' The Democrats are the other wing of the same bird. I think we have two like political factions operating under one economical powerhouse. Our form of government is based on the Roman model.
Posted by:JetJanuary 31, 2008 4:59:15 PMRespond ^
Very easy to stop it, if they wanted to. Stop giving bush access to unlimited funds. Close the purse, we would have been out by now!
Posted by:lyleJanuary 31, 2008 5:13:41 PMRespond ^
I'm all for bringing our troops home. Focusing only on that makes it an all or nothing proposition. I'm not hearing a continued questioning of what the mission is. From day one we've been winning the individual military battles, but have gotten nowhere on the political reconciliation front. Bush talks of staying until we "win," but what is that? He should be pushed every day to face the lack of a plan!
Posted by:Tim KentFebruary 1, 2008 5:04:35 AMRespond ^
The Democrat voters seem to be caught up in deciding between Hillary and Obama even though both have said there would be no troop reductions at least until 2013. With 13 permanent military bases in Iraq now and and embassy, in Ron Paul's words, 'larger than the Vatican', It is safe to say there will be more American troops in Iraq after Hillary/Obama then there are there now. Ron Paul rEVOLution!
Posted by:dogsterFebruary 1, 2008 6:45:37 AMRespond ^
I agree with Rep. Woolsey. We should get out of Iraq. After today I realized Al Quida has the perfect fix for handling both the retarded and women. Maybe the Muslim extremists are on to something.
Posted by:SteveFebruary 1, 2008 1:00:34 PMRespond ^
We would be out of Iraq if the surge failed, as so many have been so confident would be the case. Your fundamental premise that Bush is entirely corrupt and bad is emotionally satisfying but it does not comport with reality. He is, like those who aspire to his post, a collection of good and bad. If you can't acknowledge that, you can't have the frame of reference that that now that we are there, success is infinitely preferable to failure. You all may not think you are emotionally invested in failure and defeat, but you are. The biggest reason we are still in Iraq is because of military success in the surge. Under current circumstances, there are not going to be any memorable protest marches on Washington, because there is no public support for walking away from a situation that shows steady improvement. I don't care for HRC's mendacity and power craving, nor for Obama's unbearable lightness of specifics, but I hope, if nothing else, that Obama gets nominated and that he is half as good at bringing people together as he claims to be. I doubt he is, but if he is, and then he is elected, then good for the country.
Posted by:Luke LibertyFebruary 1, 2008 1:13:09 PMRespond ^
I want to know when we are getting out of Kosovo. Its been almost 9 years since Clinton sent them in there and they are still there. How about South Korea - when are the Korean's going to "shoulder more of their responsibility" so we can get out? Shoot we still have troops in Germany from World War II! Folks you need to face facts - we are going to be in Iraq for a long time to come - and if you are all so hell bent on "Bringing the Troops home" maybe we should start with the oldest wars first and work our way up from there.
Posted by:Cincinnati ChrisFebruary 1, 2008 1:15:25 PMRespond ^
Why doesn't anybody get to the root of the problem which is how this war is paid for? Why won't the DEMs, instead of being tunnelvisioned for timetables, ALL GET BEHING FULLY FUNDING THE IRAQ WAR for whatever GWB wants, but explicitly raising INCOME TAXES on the top tax bracket to pay for it. This will instantly change the terms of the debate and give DEMs the upper hand. Why are DEMs too afraid to do this? Why are liberal activists to stubborn to see this is the better than a pullout last month?
Posted by:Jeff wFebruary 1, 2008 1:22:00 PMRespond ^
The Democrats found out that it is a lot easier to be a weak-kneed rebel when you dont have the power to screw things up. Once they had the power and the responsibility that goes with it the Dems remembered why they voted to go to Iraq to begin with. It was the right thing to do in 03 and it is still right...even if many, or most, lack fortitude when the going gets a bit tough. If the dems had 60 votes in the senate they would still find a way to stay the course because they say "lets get out" to the anti-war base but believe it right to stay and finish. Just wait and see, neither Obama nor Clinton will pull the troops out.
Posted by:SogFebruary 1, 2008 1:22:30 PMRespond ^
It is simple. They lied! The only person that will get us out of the war immediately is Ron Paul.
Posted by:RickFebruary 1, 2008 2:32:02 PMRespond ^
The simple fact is that Iraq is PART of a war, not a war into and of itself. For you non-miltary types; Scrimmages (firefights) are the building blocks of warfare, a set of scrimmages makes a battle, a set of battles makes a campaign, a set of campaigns makes a war. Iraq is a campaign, under US military terminology. The Soviets would call it a 'front', the Euros a 'theater'. The actual war is between fundamentalist Muslims and all non-muslims. This war will continue until either the West loses or the Fundamentalists lose. Since the fundies are religious fanatics, for them to compromise is to lose. So it will end when America becomes Islamic, or Islam becomes a different religion from what it is today. If I was a betting man, I would bet on the Muslims. I say that because what the Democrats are doing is trying to find a way to surrender to the Jihadists. They are slow freight and haven't yet quite figured out that they will be the first ones executed after they surrender. None of this is a secret, the Jihadists have offered to accept our surrender many times, it's just that nobody takes them seriously. YET. Once Iran has nukes to give to any of several hundred Jihadist groups and American cities start getting nuked, the left MIGHT tak them seriously. Then again, they might not. Iraq DID have WMD's. They were relocated to Syria in January of '03. There is a mound of evidence supporting this fact. The Left and their MSM lapdogs prefers to ignore the evidence, since it doesn't fit into their story line. It is a lot harder to ignore a big glowing crater where New York used to be. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, those that are depending on MAD to prevent a terrorist group from going nuclear will have a targeting problem. How do you tell which one of half a dozen rogue states provided the terrs with a nuke? Liberals don't like these questions because they don't fit into the socialist dogma, so they have no answers.
Posted by:john samfordFebruary 1, 2008 2:37:58 PMRespond ^
As the meaningless romp through presidential election politics takes precedence with our so-called news coverers and anylysts, the Iraq war has simply dropped out of sight. And with a Congress that only works two days a week and constantly grants themselves lengthy holiday breaks, spending MOST of it's time arm-twisting for election funds, perks and pleasing lobbyists, it is no surprise that inaction on a matter so vital has increased. The partisan divide means an inability to compromise and seek votes from the opposition side of the fence. And Dubya's funding of the war only through his last date in office means that whomever is elected will have a military funding mess awaiting him/her. And as this presidency has so amply proven, in the face of an emergency, nothing good can happen from either the White House or Congress.....unless, of course, it involves earmarks or perks. We have the best government that money can buy. Unfortunately the moneyed interests are almost diametrically opposed to the policy needs of the citizenry. I don't believe that this is what the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the ratifiers of the Constitution had in mind. But with the Constitution disappearing in big chunks, it perhaps is not worth even considering. Revolution, anyone?
Posted by:Kathy KandtFebruary 1, 2008 2:58:01 PMRespond ^
The biggest reason for not having a greater public response is that at present we have an all-volunteer army. Unlike Viet Nam and Korea with the draft, the present day smaller army (who subcontracts MANY functions to the private quarter) is hampered by lack of numbers. What is needed now is a State Department willing to work at diplomacy and a Peace Corps willing to do the grunt work of restoring what we have destroyed and modelling democracy in actions rather than brute force. From the outset, this war venture has been ill-conceived and designed to have a strong American military presence in command of substantial oil reserves regardless of religous convictions and fragile governments which prevail in the region. Yet they HAVE prevailed for thousands of years! Our arrogance is astounding, and our implied consent is humiliating.
Posted by:KathyFebruary 1, 2008 3:08:46 PMRespond ^
Not a bad notion! At present, there are American troops stationed in 39 countries other than their own. And our army has shrunk in recent years! The screams of protest would be far louder if we were fighting with draftees instead of "volunteers".
Posted by:KathyFebruary 1, 2008 3:11:54 PMRespond ^
I am disappointed in the Speaker because she did not lead a "Charge" to end the war. Perhaps Rep Pelosi is more interested in keeping her position than in serving the needs of peace for our country. It is very disappointing. Clearly, more women in power does not mean better government...as we already knew.
Posted by:OWL16February 1, 2008 3:48:20 PMRespond ^
The reason the Dems weren't successful in getting us to fold in Iraq and withdraw in disgrace (although that's what the great majority of them wanted to see happen) is that the American public, while they may wish we hadn't gone in to begin with, understand that now that we're in it, we have to win it. And now that we finally have competent leadership in place and the situation on the ground has improved dramatically, they want to see us finish the job. Of course, everybody wants to see us withdraw from Iraq. But the majority wants to see us withdraw because we've won.
Posted by:Dan R.February 1, 2008 3:56:27 PMRespond ^
Trust me guys, we will NEVER get completely out of Iraq. We'll have 50,000 troops there 50 years from now - that's been the plan all along. There are long term plans for bases in Iraq that will keep out troops their long past the end of this conflict. If Clinton or Obama are elected they will undoubetly come to the conclusion that a long term presence in secure bases in Iraq is in this country's best interest. Get used to it - we are NEVER leaving - and it dosen't matter who is elected in November.
Posted by:Cincinnati ChrisFebruary 1, 2008 4:14:01 PMRespond ^
Let's take a look at this. We can't just pull out tomorrow, even if we wanted to. There are just too many logistical problems with getting so many people out of one place. Besides, we probably shouldn't pull out immediately anyway. Neither Obama nor Clinton endorse such a plan. The issue is that, yes, Petraeus has done a great job given the circumstances, and his leadership has been highly commendable. I'm sure that either Hillary or Obama will do a good job of figuring out what a strategy will be for 1) getting people out when we're ready to get out and 2) getting out in a way that is not going to majorly jeopardize Iraqi national security. The last thing a true democrat wants is for us to pull out without a plan, and have hundreds and thousands of people die in a crazy civil war. We'll get there, people, but we can't have it all at once.
Posted by:CurtisFebruary 1, 2008 4:18:18 PMRespond ^
Victory? YUCK!
Posted by:Moonbat_OneFebruary 1, 2008 4:57:49 PMRespond ^
Chris is undoubtably correct to state that we will be in Iraq for a long time -- we've created an awful mess there and are now responsible for it's clean up. I did appreciate Ron Paul's pointing out in the debate the other night, though, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (something everyone keeps forgetting) and asking why we went there in the first place. I wish, though, that he'd also pointed out that Afghanistan, the actual home of the 9/11 training camps, is again on the verge of becoming a "failed state" and that the Taliban is poised to take over there again. This is where the real danger is as Afghanistan shares a border with a actual nuclear state, Pakistan, which is also in turmoil right now. Instead of working harder to stabilize Afghanistan, we have wasted time, money, lives and good-will in Iraq. FYI, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but agree with his views on Iraq. However, you should check out his ties to the extreme radical right before jumping on his bandwagon.
Posted by:slmFebruary 1, 2008 5:08:23 PMRespond ^
you clearly don't care about the iraqi people. why don't you go there and ask them if they want saddam and al-qaeda back. and yes, there has been al-qaeda there, and yes Iran would come in and take over Iraq. They are trying already. Seriously, why do you people not get it? were you not around on 9.11??? They would attack again. Radical Islam is geo-political; they don't just take aim an transforming religion. understand the enemy... the real enemy... the one outside these borders.
Posted by:anonFebruary 1, 2008 6:18:17 PMRespond ^
Meet the new boss... same as the old boss Always long on promises and short on delivery.
Posted by:RWGFebruary 1, 2008 6:24:19 PMRespond ^
When the liberals park their cars, quit flying, and quit using any oil product whatsoever for the rest of their lives, then we can get our troops out of Iraq. Because we would have to expect that a third of our oil will no longer be available to America.
Posted by:BobFebruary 1, 2008 6:37:32 PMRespond ^
This is a pretty idiotic article. President Bush said several things in the run up to the Iraq war: "let freedom reign", Iraqi sovereignity, paying for the war using Iraqi oil, a short war... Nearly five years later, none of these claims have been realized. Are you going to blame the democrats for that? The Bush administration and the Republicans messed it up "big time," and there is no two ways about it. Deal with that.
Posted by:bobFebruary 1, 2008 6:46:44 PMRespond ^
Here's what I just read: "Democrats failed to stop the mission in Iraq, allowing America time to win (dammit). Oh, how we lament that Dem leaders seem willing to concede the best interests of our country rather than score political points against a lame duck president."
Posted by:SissypantsFebruary 1, 2008 7:00:25 PMRespond ^
They originally said, knock off Saddam and get out. Thats what they did. Could have called it victory and breathed a collective sigh of relief at finding no WMD's. Not being satisfied they did Cheney the great fearless general's "shock and awe" . Not a thing moving for anybody. Was this not a victory? Then what else do we need to finish? Is 1,000,000 dead Iraqui's not enough? Then to you who say' stay now until we won - Please, please tell us what it would look like. Tell us, please what would it look like when we have "won". Tell us who "we" is. Please, please show us you know what you are talking about when you are talking about "finish the job" . Please show us you are not kids playing with cannons on the floor.
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 1, 2008 8:22:37 PMRespond ^
The candidate who wants to stay in Iraq for a hundred years lead the get out immediately candidate by 7 or 8 points in the polls. That should tell you something.
Posted by:Mike SorensenFebruary 1, 2008 8:35:06 PMRespond ^
I'm very sorry that you haven't understood what victory will look like in Iraq. The short answer is that the militias will be disbanded and the government of Iraq will have a monopoly on the use of force. The U.S. will have long term basing rights for about 80,000 troops.
Posted by:MikeFebruary 1, 2008 8:38:44 PMRespond ^
Well, I think the problem is, we stopped losing in Iraq. I've sort of come to the conclusion that, while nobody seems to have figured out what winning looks like, we all have a pretty good idea what defeat looks like, and that past defeats have proven to be neither theraputic, nor desirable.
Posted by:VoyagerFebruary 1, 2008 8:44:39 PMRespond ^
So, it is a question of just getting the troops home and not worrying about losing the war? What are the consequences for us departing--civil war, Iran's influence increasing and spreading to Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon? I'm a Marine and we "quit" one war which we were winning because of anti-war sentiment. Glad those in this movement didn't know what my father and 30 thousand Marines went through in WWII at Iwo Jima. These people would have been calling for us to sue for peace with Japan. The war in Iraq is a pivitol fight in the war against radical extremists and their designs on first Iraq, then the rest of the Middle East, Europe and then the USA. We either stop them in Iraq or face them in this country. Count on it, the leadership of Al Queda's goals are Europe then the USA--Sharia law with all that means to our basic freedoms and a woman's right to choose--what she wears, thinks and does in life.
Posted by:tla356February 1, 2008 9:08:29 PMRespond ^
"What defeat looks like-not therapeutic. . " You imply we already have been defeated, or the occupation has been defeated. I take it you think Iraq is like Japan and we could do what MacArthur did in Japan? I take it you hope to straighten out their corruption when we can't straighten out our own corruption. I'm talking about there what's happening in the field on the part of Iraqi traders when our soldiers' backs are turned and on the part of our traders whether or not our soldiers' backs are turned.
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 1, 2008 9:40:53 PMRespond ^
You are sorry. . . Well, assuage your grief. Tell us how the militia are ever ging to disband, that is, while there is an occupation in force?
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 1, 2008 9:44:02 PMRespond ^
". . come to the conclusion. . the country's best interest. ." Is that your conclusion?
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 1, 2008 9:46:19 PMRespond ^
Liberals park their cars, etc: Most lib- erals have to work for a living so they have do do what they are told, right?, no matter where the oil comes from. You rich b-s are the ones who make those choices such as to whether we use highways or railroads.
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 1, 2008 9:55:24 PMRespond ^
Thank heavens we still have Democrats that may talk stridently to appease the base but vote with their conscience and realize that the US is not the cause of all the world's ills. Nancy didn't fold "like a cheap kite". Maybe she's shrewd enough to realize what's stake if we were to lose in the Middle East, no matter how muddle-headed the reasons for going there. No, war isn't the answer but sometimes it's a way to progress to the answer. We all want a world with peace. When there are those that will fight until they achieve their vision of "peace", in spite of our desire to be left alone in true peace, sometimes it's incumbent on us to thwart them no matter how culturally incorrect.
Posted by:BradFebruary 1, 2008 10:07:30 PMRespond ^
Hi! Nice posts here.
Posted by:TracyFebruary 1, 2008 10:08:54 PMRespond ^
Throwing the bay out with the bath water can't be the answer here. We are in Iraq, for better or worse and in my estimation it's for the better. Yes, there has been unutterable horror but there was horror before we took this tack. Slowly the Iraqi people will learn to thrive, in spite of sectarian setbacks (think of our American Revolution) and will begin to function as a self-supporting democracy. I'm proud of what our people are doing to help that process along. Are there unspeakable horrors and tragedy? Yes, the same horrors that faced countless countries in every war. Had the war never happened a President Hillary Clinton or President Obama would have faced the same grim situation that was in place before the war began. The same game-playing on WMDs would be rehashed and the same rhetoric on how we should thwart Saddam's nuclear ambitions would be front and center. Thanks to what's being done now a President Clinton or Obama will merely have to deal with the easy part. Sitting on one's hands is always so much easier but the, one never accomplishes much.
Posted by:Jane R (Newport)February 1, 2008 10:25:55 PMRespond ^
An addendum to my post - I meant our soldiers and not just "our people". I'm proud of our forces and wish them well in everything they do. Most of our people sit comfortably protesting the war, protesting Congress, or just sit and appreciate while these proud men and women work so we can can do just those things.
Posted by:Jane R (Newport)February 1, 2008 10:29:47 PMRespond ^
Amazing article. You never once mention that we are now winning the war in Iraq. The whole premise of the Democrats' case was that we had lost the war and nothing could be done about it. Well, now we are winning. How much public support do you think there is for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory by handing Iraq back to Al Queda, after our brave fighting men and women have beaten them? The Democrats may not be very smart, but they are not totally suidical.
Posted by:Rick GibsonFebruary 1, 2008 11:25:56 PMRespond ^
I'm a vet of the war in Iraq. I actually attempted to submit a human interest piece to Mother Jones while serving in 2004. I was working on a Kurdish mass grave site at the time. I'll make this brief: I was pissed when Bush decided to invade Iraq, and even more pissed when it came to me -- a Virginia National Guardsman -- to do the dirty work. But I did my job. Ever since I've been plagued by the idea that perhaps we could have brought some good out of a very bad decision had we only pursued intelligent strategies and tactics from day one. Of course, we did no such thing, and until very recently it did not appear that we would ever approach our mission conscientiously or intellectually. And so I fell in with the staged withdrawal crowd, advocating for hard timelines and all of that. It broke my heart. Now I'm a bit perplexed: the "surge" (the "success" of which we're all a bit hesitant to acknowledge), the population displacements, the failure of al-Qaeda in Iraq to maintain support among the people with whom they live and whose lives they endanger by their presence, and maybe even the possibility of American withdrawal looming in the election politics, have all worked to spur the most sincere effort at cooperative statebuilding we've seen since 2003. Such statebuilding can only continue -- now that it is finally going on -- in a safe situation; that safety will be compromised if we leave. After this rollercoaster -- which I admit has taken quite a toll on my conscience -- I am left asking myself again: "shouldn't we stay as long as necessary to make all of this sacrifice worth something?" And I ask that question with full knowledge that it's the same question that has dominated Republican sophistry for the past three years at least. But, shouldn't we guarantee security as long as the Iraqis are willing to make good use of it? Don't we owe it to them? And to ourselves?
Posted by:ElliottFebruary 1, 2008 11:53:04 PMRespond ^
or Kucinech, or Dodd
Posted by:AlanFebruary 2, 2008 4:07:00 AMRespond ^
I take it then you buy into the strategy of "drawing" Al-Quaeda into Iraq. So that now they are " beaten" there (where they weren't in the first place)they can go over into Pakistan, or still better, Afghanistan, O' you "job finishers"
Posted by:Frank LornitzoFebruary 2, 2008 6:03:27 AMRespond ^
It has been very long since saddam hussein was removed from office in iraq. If you can call that office. The military is still struglin to finish the works over at that region as well as in afganistan. trying to get all those problems saddam had under control in his country is going to take a very long time. Im very sure that if the military is removed from the area, a lot of kaos will emerge and eventually the goverment will be overruned. . The military is now dealing with the problems King Saddam Hussein had under control in his country. Criminal or not, King or not, face it... he had all these factions under control. The military has not been able to succed at that.
Posted by:Dr.QFebruary 2, 2008 6:31:17 AMRespond ^
Right! We will NEVER leave Iraq. That reality should have been clear years ago. For future generations Iraq will be looked upon as we presently consider Puerto Rico and Guam. Forget the troops and all the other distractions. Now is the time to focus on designing what form the New American Empire (NAE) will look like. Third world slave labor camps producing surplus value goods to be channeled to landfills through excess American consumption.
Posted by:tomtelltruthFebruary 2, 2008 6:42:54 AMRespond ^
Can anyone tell me what this administration has on the democratic leaders? I mean they fold like a cheap suit over everything. Iraq is just the first indication that the administration either has some damning evidence that keeps these alleged leaders from "leading". Now they have caved on this new "economic stimulus" package! What about what the country wants?
Posted by:JanaFebruary 2, 2008 9:21:25 AMRespond ^
Your line of argument is so laughable, I don't even know where to start. The idea the political left of the U.S. wants to "surrender" to Islam is just hilarious. Radical Islam has no military capability in terms of making anyone "surrender," and I think you bloody well know it, despite your spouting of right-wing talking points. I'd also LOVE to see this evidence Syria has all these WMD's now. What good ,exactly, would it do Hussein to stash them there, anyway? Why would Syria put itself in such dire danger of attack by storing such weapons? Why haven't any of the intelligence agencies of Western nations run into them? You spout right-wing nonsense like a parrot. Read and learn.
Posted by:Mr. BigglesworthFebruary 2, 2008 9:40:21 AMRespond ^
It seems whenever the phrase , "in the national interest" is used, it occurs in juxtaposition with some military solution. It is like someone reaching for a drink whenever called upon to think.
Posted by:Like alcohol a reflexFebruary 2, 2008 10:14:59 AMRespond ^
Re: Mr. Lornitzo: I was actually refering to the US defeat in Vietnam as showing that US losses are neither desirable nor theraputic.
Posted by:VoyagerFebruary 2, 2008 7:59:37 PMRespond ^
Someone On The Right Anne Coulter Feels Good About Coulter on Fox (Jan 31): likes Clinton because "she's more conservative than McCain." Do Caroline & Uncle Ted--Have All The "Stones?" It's easy to see why the 1% who Love! U.S. politics just as it is, would ditto the nasty, autocratic, combative, ad hominem "code" rhetoric of Bill Clinton. But, we're not all , beer-drinking, macho bullies in this country. You'd have thought (or at least I did) our so-called "leaders" would have the "stones," if not the self-respect to object. But, looks like the Kennedys, alone, may have felt obliged to tell the truth (about Ted’s former friends, the Clintons). The Combative Clintons dominate every former democratic institution and whip up militancy & conflict everywhere they go, probably incurably. The aggressive zealotry they model is a disservice to their base as well, in that it turns so much of the public off. They manipulated long honored primary tradition by “dis-ing” the rules unilaterally, and won't hesitate a minute, to force these ad hoc changes down our throat no matter if they take the party down with them. Their ugly smear campaigns discredited/eliminated several strong candidates from the race selecting Obama --who they thought would be easier to beat/bully/compromise and smear-- It's so much easier to complain about our democratic congress rather than object to the strident Hillary, matriarch of that congress, who dictates the rules none of her poor subordinates dare dispute, or might favor independently, that is, without her approval. It's Hillary's congress which almost invariably, gives George Bush the "heads up" no matter the usual faux "protests." And while Hillary dominates congress, it’s Bill, Champion of the One-Percent, the New World Order (takeover by the elites), still leading the choir for his hasty, ill conceived global initiatives (NAFTA, WTO, et al). The 1% who rule the World Economic Forum at Davos Switzerland are all about indecent, inordinate, entitlements incommensurate by any measure, moral OR!! Economic. It's pathetic that among those who profess to stand for and love democracy-- so few have the Guts To Take These Dictators On, and instead, stand by quietly and watch them violate the spectrum of progressive values our once advanced society prided itself on. And my posts focus on Hill & Bill so much! because they did the heavy lifting for George Bush, pushed our country closer than we've ever been to a dictatorship & tore apart our party from within. I oughta mention that a (VERY!!) small handful of the media HAVE tried to be heard with respect to Clinton on ISSUES & POLICIES (and not the good old "Boys Will Be Boys") misadventures with Monica. And…well, I’m pleased to report a few of those (not all) still have their jobs. And I have my fingers crossed America finds itself worthy of being viewed again, as the Progressive Leader of the Free World. Some may think it’s not major but there’s a super-substantive difference between Clinton & Obama—with the Clintons’ as criteria, we can T-R-U-S-T Obama with the farm.
Posted by:SweetEarthFebruary 4, 2008 5:22:16 AMRespond ^
The mainline Democrats have no desire to upset the 'imperial apple cart'. They support the American empire dedicated to American aristocracy. It's a simple fact. They 'sell' us feelings, ideas and personalities in elections. In government they share just enough to keep the people placated. It's just a play. A game. How else can you have one nation that spends more on the military than just about every other nation combined? How else can you have a nation invade another nation based upon lies? The system was put in place just after the Revelutionary War and has only changed marginally since. Just read the personal writings of all the presidents, vice presidents and other major politicians throughout American history. Their goal has never been about the "people". They clearly state it's about the interests of the wealthy and empire. They consider the masses stupid and need to misdirected and manipulated. And I must say, they've done a most admirable job. Ask anyone about the major socialists movements of the 19th and 20th century and they know little to nothing. Read any speach by a presidential candidate and find it mostly fluff yet millions vote for them. Any changes they promise never come about. Yet we vote for the same product again. It's a wonderfully effective system. It kills millions a year to support it but to them it's a necessary sacrifice. The Dems aren't the answer. They're not even a question. And I'm just pointing out the problems. Do I have suggestions for fixing the problems? Sure. But the odds of these happening in our system are slightly less than finding a golfball by random chance somewhere in the space of our solar system.
Posted by:NakisFebruary 4, 2008 5:42:00 AMRespond ^
What we are seeing here in this country are two political parties, both of whom, are beholden to the same agenda set forth by their prosiding power structure (the Council on Foreign Relations). There is no difference between the Dems and the GOP. When will we wake up and addresss that? The American public is caught up in this politico-type wrestling match, which is as fake as the WWE would have you believe it. Free yourself from hate of the "Left" or "Right" and you will begin to understand.
Posted by:steven cincoFebruary 4, 2008 8:42:40 AMRespond ^
MOST OF THESE COMMENTS OPERATE FROM THE FAILED PREMISE THAT THE USA IS SOME SORT OF A DEMOCRACY. IF YOU SUBSTITUTE A DIFFERENT FORM OF POLIICAL ENTITY FOR THE ASSUMED CONSTITIONAL REPUBLIC THAT THE USA IS BELIEVED TO BE IE, A CORPORATE STATE, IT BECOMES MORE UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO MOVEMENT ON IRAQ, OR MANY ISSUES FOR THAT MATTER. THE USA STATE HAS NEVER BEEN WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EDUCATED (ACTUALLY INDOCTRINATED WHICH IS WHAT USA EDUCATION ESSENTIALLY IS) TO BELIEVE. THIS IS WHERE ANY REDIRECTION OF AMERICAN POLICIES HAS TO START, BY ACCEPTING THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ACTUAL FORM OF RULE THAT WE LIVE UNDER IS NOT WHAT IS COMMONLY PROFESSED. IT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.
Posted by:JOHNFebruary 4, 2008 9:10:59 AMRespond ^
SADLY, YOU ARE CORRECT IN YOUR DESCRIPTION. THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO THIS AT THE CURRENT TIME. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT CHANGE GLOBALLY WILL ONLY OCCUR WITH THE DEMISE AT SOME FUTURE DATE OF THE USA STATE. THIS, OF COURSE, APPEARS QUITE SOONER THAN MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER.
Posted by:JOHNFebruary 4, 2008 9:16:37 AMRespond ^
Judith LeBlanc lies. If Democrats had pushed for withdrawal from Iraq the American people would have been behind them. What the Democrats lacked was the support of their wealthy campaign financers. The voting public has become irrelevant in our so-called democratic system.
Posted by:Michael GraneyFebruary 4, 2008 10:54:01 AMRespond ^
How do you stop the war right now and prevent war with Iran? One word: IMPEACH! www.impeachthem.com
Posted by:RosemaryFebruary 4, 2008 12:12:05 PMRespond ^
Will we leave Iraq when there is no more oil?
Posted by:melFebruary 5, 2008 2:30:44 AMRespond ^
The democratic controlled Congress has been very disappointing and seems without direction or leadership. There is chaos in Iraq today, there will be chaos in Iraq, for a time, after we leave, but until we leave the beginning of the end of chaos cannot start. We need to get remove all combat troops from Iraq immediately. Logistically speaking, that would be about 12 months.
Posted by:Marshall AdameFebruary 5, 2008 6:31:18 PMRespond ^
Congress should IMPEACH the S.O.B. immediately!
Posted by:Michael CommonsFebruary 11, 2008 5:29:13 AMRespond ^
I can't beleive that so manyof you cowards want to RETREAT..? Do you have no shame..? I think our country is just like ROME, dieing from the inside with all you Un-american COWARDS who won't stand and fight..!! Where do you want to fight them.. HOUSTON..? Los Angeles..? It is YOUR choice,.
You people make me SICK..!!!

Bill
Posted by:Bill NighFebruary 28, 2008 9:12:17 AMRespond ^
We lost lost the war
Posted by:FrankMarch 4, 2008 6:11:12 AMRespond ^

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