The MoJo Interview: David Sedaris

The humorist and author of When You Are Engulfed in Flames talks about obese spiders, his boyfriend Hugh, and why he isn't about to apologize to Oprah for exaggerating his autobiographical stories.

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Last March, The New Republic called bullshit on humorist David Sedaris, accusing him of exaggerating his autobiographical stories. Oh well. Sedaris' new book, When You Are Engulfed in Flames, is as improbably hilarious as his others, and it doesn't look like he's about to apologize on Oprah anytime soon. Sedaris spoke with Mother Jones from his house in London.

Mother Jones: So, do you exaggerate?

David Sedaris: Boy, do I. And if it weren't for The New Yorker fact-checkers, I'd do it more. I've always been up front about that. I think that was what was weird to me about it, was this idea that I had somehow been caught. I had written [in The New Yorker] that my spiders got so obese that their legs started chafing. I talked to the spider expert at the natural history museum, and he said that spiders' legs never rub together. I said, "No, I know they wouldn't. I'm just saying it as a joke." I don't know how easy [The New Republic] thinks it is to make shit up. To say that a humorist exaggerates to get big laughs, I don't see how that's big news.


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MJ: Your book includes a story about your experience wearing a Stadium Pal, a hidden device for men who don't want to use public bathrooms. How many times did you use it?

DS: I just wore it two times. I thought, "Okay, I'm going to wear it for a solid week." Taking it off hurt so much that there would be no way that you could torture your skin like that, there would be no way that you could put it on and take it off every day for a week. There'd be nothing left down there. One of the days, I wore it doing a reading in a bookstore. So my calf got bigger and bigger and bigger, and my brother kept kicking me. His whole mission was to break that bag so that I would have lots of urine on myself.

MJ: When did you feel like you were a writer? Did you have an "aha!" moment where you said, "I'm a writer"?

DS: When my first book came out and I was living in New York and there was a bookstore around the corner from me and they had my book in the window, I thought that looking at my book in the window would make me think that I'm a writer. It just made me think, "I have a book." It wasn't a bad feeling. I realized, "Oh, having a book doesn't mean you're a writer; it could just mean you're lucky." Maybe when I started writing for The New Yorker, because to me, "writer" was always a pretty big word, and I always thought, "Okay, if I'm calling myself a writer, what does that mean for people like Flannery O'Conner? Now that's a writer. I'm just a typist." I would call myself a typist and whenever they would ask my occupation on an immigration form going to another country, I would write, "Typist." I think sometimes, "Well, gosh, if I wasn't a writer I probably wouldn't be in The New Yorker." You know, when I get down on myself I think, "Well, I'm in The New Yorker. That's okay."

MJ: In your essay "The Monster Mash," about how you worked in a morgue, you discuss that many people actually die from autoerotic self-asphyxiation. I didn't realize how often that happens.

DS: A whole lot. I don't know why it's not talked about more often. I usually don't talk about things like this, but you know when you very first masturbate and you kind of think it's your own invention, because no one ever taught me how to do it and I never heard people talking about doing it. I mean as far as I'm concerned, I invented it. But hanging yourself while you masturbate never would have occurred to me. Now when I look in the newspaper, sometimes it will be a young person who died or maybe even like a middle-aged person and they'll give no reason for the death, and I always think, "Oh, they accidentally hung themselves while they masturbated."

MJ: On your speaking engagements, do you feel okay to bomb every once in a while?

DS: I think it's important to be upset by it, because you just let people down and they bought tickets and they paid to come see you. I think it's important to take chances. But there have been nights—whenever I go on tour I start with six or seven stories and I read them out loud and I go back to the hotel and rewrite and read and rewrite and it's pretty rare for me to be completely wrong about a story—I could be completely wrong about my audience and read the wrong thing in front of an audience. And I could be off. But I think to be off like that and to think that, "Oh, I had an off night, and just leave it at that"—I really kind of beat myself up over it because I don't want to make a habit of it.

MJ: Are you very aware, like when you're reading your stories and developing them, are you very aware of the audience reaction and tweaking the timing of words?

DS: Oh, very. I make notes on the page when I'm reading, and I put big check marks next to what gets a big laugh and if there's something that I thought was going to be funny and nobody responds to it at all then I draw a quick skull and cross bones or just the skull part in the margin. There have been times, too, where I've read something once and then I want to throw it away, but then I'll think, "Well, often it just takes time to learn how to read something." The difference between the first time I read something and the tenth time I read something is generally pretty profound. Even if the script is the same, just the way that I read it is different. Sometimes you can get your biggest laugh by just looking up. The problem is you can't duplicate that on the page. Or if you're reading out loud sometimes you could change your voice or I could give a different character a voice, but on the page the people reading the story, they're not going to see that. I worry about that sometimes; I worry that when I go on tour that I'm perfecting the story orally, but not for the page.

MJ: You write about your boyfriend Hugh a lot. Do people ever want to meet him?

DS: If there's any guy standing behind me people will say, "Is that Hugh?" And I'm like, "Do you think he has nothing better to do than to travel around with me and stand behind me while I sign books?" One time, though, there was a beefy Puerto Rican security guy, very stern and very tough, so I told everybody that was Hugh. I could see how irritating that was for him, because here's everybody thinking that he's gay and that he's my boyfriend. But his job was to protect me, not to kill me. So there was nothing he could do about it.

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Sedaris has to be one of the funniest, dry-humored people around - I practically spurt coffee out of my nose when I read him. I've since learned to not drink coffee when I have a Sedaris book in hand.

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This is one funny guy! Is this interview on your pod cast?
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I don't care if he makes up every word he has ever written. I love him and his family and I feel my life is more enriched after reading his books. David and Amy would be the first two seats at "my dinner party of any five living or dead people"

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The first time I heard Sedaris read was when he read "Santaland Diary" on a segment of This American Life on NPR. I laughed so hard I wet myself. I sent a book of his which included Santaland Diary to a long time friend a couple years later. She said she did not laugh once reading it. Since then I've wondered how this person and I could agree about so much, but differ so greatly on Sedaris.

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santaland diaries

you have to HEAR sedaris, especially singing in his lady day voice....i turned my family on to him years ago. on a xmas trip to nc we had given each other his most recent book...and all retired to our rooms reading and laughing...a shared experience... :)

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As a result of having been able to listen to Mr. Sedaris on TAL, I'm able to read him in his own voice, which for me is icing on a very funny cake. Thanks NPR, and thanks MJ!

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David Sedaris' funniest moment has to be his singing the Oscar Mayer Wiener song in the voice of Billy Holiday. Gotta love NPR.

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I FIRST READ THE NATION BEFORE CLICKING ON THE INTERVIEW WITH DAVID. AS A MODERATELY PROGRESSIVE CENTRIST DEMOCRAT, WITH JUST A HINT OF PRE-ELECTION ANGST, I THINK ALL OF US OF THIS ILK SHOULD JUST GO TO SUMMER CAMP FOR A WHILE. WE ARE TAKING OURSELVES WAY TO SERIOUSLY. DAVID SHOULD BE MANDATORY READING THIS SUMMER. I FEEL BETTER ALREADY!

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I have all his books and he is the best! It's always best to read his books in the privacy of your home, otherwise you will get a lot of weird looks when you are rolling around in your chair laughing like a fool. I love his sister Amy as well. They are a wild and whacky family.

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I completely agree with

I completely agree with this. I read his book while donating plasma once. I DID laugh out loud WHILE reading his book and DID get some weird looks. In my attempt to stop laughing out loud I got the "church giggles" and have not since brought one of his books to read there again. I heart David Sedaris.

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David Sedaris is really one of the funniest writers/typists ever.

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The first time I heard Sedaris on NPR it was his 'The Angles Want To Wear My Red Suit' (the story of trying to explain Esater in his French class in Paris), I was driving and I was laughing so hard I had to pull over. I know people who drove by must of thought I was having a siezure....it has to be one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Thank you Mr Sedaris...

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I love this guy, he is brilliant. I don't just read his books once, I go back and read them again and again.
I laughed my face off when I read the New Republic article because I could just imagine Sedaris using that in a book to illustrate the lack of humor among the profoundly stupid.

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Sedaris and his writing has got me through so many difficult times, I read his stories and instantly feel better. Many people I know do not favor his dry humor, but I relate to it so well and his family, his stories are classic Americana. My favorite part of the new book is when he says he washes his thrift store finds now due to getting crabs from a pair of slacks. lol. True, false, exaggerated, etc. It is hilarious.

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I got crabs from a thrift store item - I don't doubt that story for a moment!

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I just love him so much. I wish I was Hugh.

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I had to read this interview, and the interviewer did a great job bringing out his personality and tone. Sedaris is funny, and the way it ends is classic. Thanks for that!

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Yeah, you can read more

Yeah, you can read more about David. These few lines describe him a little more,
David Sedaris has also been published in print and online by Esquire Magazine, Slate, the New York Times, and the New Yorker. Sedaris has written six plays, five with his sister Amy Sedaris, including The Little Frieda Mysteries, Stump the Host, Stitches, One Woman Shoe (which received a prestigious Obie Award), Incident at Cobbler's Knob, and The Book of Liz. David Sedaris' book Me Talk Pretty One Day was published in paperback and audiobook in 2000. internet marketing One of Sedaris' funniest moments here was his description of his surprising eventual enjoyment of his Walkman as something he had always ranked on the vulgarity scale "between boa constrictors and Planet Hollywood T-shirts." A film version of Me Talk Pretty One Day is currently being made by director Wayne Wang (Anywhere But Here, The Joy Luck Club, and the controversial Life Is Cheap..website hosting .But Toilet Paper Is Expensive). The author appeared on Late Night with David Letterman in June of 2001. David Sedaris currently resides in Paris. domain registration

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that story about the security guard is hilarious! http://www.popduds.com

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I love David Sedaris. He makes me feel that it's OK to be human.

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David Sedaris rocks

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That's Flannery O'Connor, not Flannery O'Conner.
But, yes indeed, the world is a much better place for me because of David Sedaris - I've read all of his books and relish his narratives on NPR

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My friend got scabies from thrift store clothes, so I don't think that necessarily is an exaggeration. Anyway, who cares?? I expand the truth whenever I talk about myself, but I don't expect everyone to believe I really climbed Everest.

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There's a free short story download from David on http://www.audible.com/logo and you click on the free download thing. I downloaded his "When You Are Engulfed In Flames" and found it!! You don't have to buy the book to get the free download. Amazing. :)

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I agree, David can lie to me any day! He is such an amazing writer and I love his books. I especially like to hear him speak in person or on the radio. I can't get enough of his humor and wit.

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His depictions of African Americans are disgusting. Just because one is gay does not mean he is not a typical white male.

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My friend got scabies from thrift store clothes, so I don't think that necessarily is an exaggeration. Anyway, who cares?? I expand the truth whenever I talk about myself, but I don't expect everyone

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I wonder how many

I wonder how many boyfriends/girlfriends get blamed for crabs that actually came from the thrift store?

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