Ron Paul — It's Slightly Less Real Than I Thought

This is a smear campaign. I support Ron Paul and I know many others who do.

Did it ever occur to those reporting this stuff that maybe these illegal activities have been undertaken by someone who is OPPOSED to a Ron Paul Presidency? It's called a smear tactic; I suggest they look it up.

I think CNN, FOX and the rest of the main stream media comes together as a botnet operation to support their candidates (Mit, Rudy and Hilary). Join the revolution and make a statement on Nov 5th by donating to RP campaign.

We also faked those 2,000 people showing up at a Ron Paul rally in Michigan; aka Romney country. It was really just a hologram algorithm. Pretty easy to do.

umm.. smear campaign???

These messages were only found within the last.. what 4 days? How do they explain the support prior to these spam messages getting out only in the past 4 days?

Surely if any spam was released, they'd know it immediately, and not so late after Ron Paul has had such an overwhelming internet support. Either security is just way too late, or this is after Ron Paul has achieved a large internet support base.

Jonathan Stein, sir, let's put on our critical thinking caps and consider that this may have been a smear tactic to make the Ron Paul campaign look bad (or to get youtube videos yanked by linking to them, which worked).

It's fascinating how many blogs have uncritically picked up on the "Ron Paul's support is fake, I knew it!" meme.

Are his 60,000 meetup members spam? His $12 million raised in the past 6 months (and rising quickly)? How would these spam e-mails have helped him win all but one of the post-debate polls, many of which were text message?

Ron Paul's support is real and growing. In fact, on Nov. 5th, you'll see how strong it really is!

www.thisnovember5th.com

This little story about a bit of spam has little truth.. be careful what you publish.

How can you explain the monumental donations coming into the Ron Paul candidacy.. Millions per month, 2.5+ million in October alone.. and the average donation is about $88.. you do the math..

And November 5th will be millions in a single day.

Welcome to the rEVOLution!

Better be careful what you publish.. SLander charges can be expensive.

The problem with all this now is that i do not believe it at all. They have been saying this for almost a year but yet all of a sudden after raising 5 million they found a botnet that is untraceable? Give me a break;

If you didn't pay your taxes and went to the amazon jungle they would find you trust me. But they found an untraceable botnet.

If this is the best you people can do your in big trouble.

This is called smear tactic because he is gaining so much attention. These botnets can not vote in polls as they tried to make it seem as if they can and they for sure can't vote in text message polls, so lets stop the crap smearing shall we?

I didn't even support Paul untill i started to see all the negative press he was getting that was enough for me to take a long look at him and he has my vote.

J. Stein writes:
["The very real support Paul is getting can now be wrongfully dismissed as no more than internet shenanigans."]

As if that HASN'T Been the position of the Republican establishment and the press from Day One??!??!!

I'll give you one very real thing you can put in your bong and smoke, and that's Ron Paul's fundraising numbers.
They're going UP, doubling in the last quarter vs. the previous one, with a $million-two$ raised in the last week of the quarter, against an initial goal of half-a-mil. While his challengers all saw their fundraising decline.
And That Ain't SPAM!

J. Stein writes:
["The very real support Paul is getting can now be wrongfully dismissed as no more than internet shenanigans."]

like that hasn't been the position shouted by the republican establishment and the media from Day ONE??!!??!!

let's recall that Ron's fundraising numbers doubled in the last reporting quarter, vs. the previous one, with a $million-two$ raised in the last week against an initial goal of half-a-mil.

no amount of spam will do THAT for you!!

Even the terribly slanted article in WIRED says in the end that there is no proof of a botnet. Nevertheless, MJ joins the smear echo chamber.

this is stupid. someone sent out spame with ron paul in the subject line. now its being misconstrued to make it seem like there's a fake criminal network out there. why don't you go after the ceo of pfizer for all the viagra spam we get? just as ridiciulous.

smear tactics. who paid you to write this? hitlary?, ghouliani?, flip romney? why don't you back to school and get a degree in journalism?

This spam bot is how you get a youtube video banned and removed for violation. (Don't believe me check it out and you will see that the video's are banned.)

One has to wonder why a video of Ron Paul questions the Federal Reserve Chairman gets banned?

If this is a supporter that did this, he/she blew it but if it not a support then it is usually prudent to remember that he who point one finger has more pointing back at him.
You may be surprised to know just who found the span bot.

Now I have commented on maybe one other Ron Paul post because I am located in Canada and didn't want people accusing Paul's supporter, of whom my wife is one and she is American, of spamming because of being outside the US. I would like to remind you that Paul's message is resonating with many more than just people in the US.

Whenever reasonable people hear his message they listen and they ask why we don’t have a politician in our country that stands tall like this man does.

Think of how tall he stands when there are people around who when they hear his message find that it resonates to them. There are Ron Paul meetup groups around the world.

AXJ-Latinos for Dr. Ron Paul are doing a great job of getting the message out in Spanish to 1 million potential votes for Dr. Ron Paul. http://ronpaul.meetup.com/928/?gj=sj21

I agree. I think that this had to have been done by someone looking to sabotage the campaign, and of course all the media outlets are more than happy to help in that noble endeavor. Unfortunately for them all, the support for Ron Paul is massive, tangible, and growing.

The only thing real here is the author's desperate attempt in grasping onto anything which itself is wishfully attempting to negate Dr.Ron Paul's REAL popularity.

Fact of the matter is, botnets are unable to donate the 5.3 million that had been donated to Mr. Paul's campaign in the third quarter.

Shame on you.

Ron Paul 2008!!!!

You can draw whatever conclusions you want from this recent tactic from a Giuliani supporter who published the Article for her employer, Wired Magazine. People Will see how FAKE Ron Paul's support is on November 5th, and at the polls shortly after that.

The researchers found EMAILS were spammed, but provided no hard evidence that bots were used to rig the poll results.

Here at UC Berkeley I know that Ron Paul is real. His name is chalked all over campus and the nerds are rallying behind him. We are coming to take the system, to long have socialist retards and warmongers governed this country. We want change, and we will spam the election to get it.

Two wrongs don't make a right. As a Democrat, I hate how these things get twisted into smears, like Kucinich saw a UFO and Gore invented the internet, so I won't be a hypocrite by jumping on Paul for spamming over this little evidence. I'll reconsider if there's actual evidence he knew about this. I don't doubt this will be twisted to smear him, but I won't be joining in.

And MJ has acted responsibly by pointing out the lack of evidence that Paul knew.

The sole fact that Fox News picked up this story immediately and is running with it says a lot.

I've been checking google news out for months now on any new developments in RP's campaign and the numerous events he's participated in- this is the first time Ive seen Fox News have an article up on Ron Paul for 3 straight days...immediately following a very successful appearance on Jay Leno...

Also, I fail to see how this revelation affects or could have manipulated/fabricated somehow
- the cell-phone text voting upsets
- the millions of dollars in donations Ron Paul receives each month
- all those pesky straw poll victories the media doesnt seem to want to talk about

Frankly I find this whole story (essentially, "Unofficial Ron Paul supporters spamming on Internet!") quite a bit less newsworthy than Hillary Clinton being aligned with a convicted felon and 15-year federal fugitive embezzler who's in an orange jumpsuit right now to the tune of almost a million dollars. I also find it less newsworthy than the fact that Rudy Giuliani- running on his "heroism" and "expert handling of 911"- is reviled by the NYPD and FDNY (you know...the people who actually did the rescuing) as an opportunistic coward who took nearly every WRONG step possible that day and in preparing for such a possibility, then exploited the entire event as a photo-op and springboard for further political ambitions.

Tell me if you can why these stories are inferior to some computer dweebs unaffiliated with RP's campaign spamming?

Definitely a smear job. Ron Paul doesn't do this, us supports don't do it. You're falling for it, it's sad.

look at our communities:
ronpaulforums.com
dailypaul.com
ronpaulnation.com

etc.etc.etc.

We are real. The 5.1million dollars is real. The 2000 supporters at his rally is real. don't fall so easily to such a false fact.

boy...

that got about the most intense and massive response in the shortest amount of time any MOJO article has gotten since i've been reading these blogs!

Ron Paul's support must be entirely fake...;)

Ha ha ha. They must think that these comments are being left by robots as well.

Ron Paul supporters are very active and strong. There could be a few misguided individuals that are doing the wrong thing but that should not change the debate. If the media would focus on the POLITICAL ISSUES, then the supporters would not need to try so hard to get out the Ron Paul Revolution message

Ron Paul 2008!!!!!!1111

Of course we're fake, I was created in the Ron Paul Supporter Artificial Animation Laboratory just last week. I was programmed to look and act just like a Berkeley college student, with carefully coded knowledge of politics and economics to shill for Ron Paul.

wow....

Ron Paul 2008
no im not a spambot, my vote matters.

vote for a change, vote for Ron Paul 08

Im a real person, and I approve this comment

Get the hell out of hear with the donkey crap!!! how in the hell did he get 5.4 million last quarter and another 2.6 so far this quarter. stop going by what those retards say and use common sense. and on the 5th this nov you guys can jam this story up your ass!!

A challenge to Ron Paul supporters. Don't waste you time we these so called news outlets print this stuff. Double your donation to the Paul Campaign and sit back and laugh. Don' t get annoyed get even.

Umm, the fact that the very first line of the email basicly says "Vote Ron Paul unless you want the government to put computer chips in your children" makes me think that this not an attempt to promote Paul but rather discredit him. Also the fact that the emails link to popular youtube videos of Paul which are then promptly removed because they violate youtubes terms of service seems to be even more evidence that this is an effort to hurt Paul and not to help him.

Please CITE the law that makes email ILLEGAL. Besides that this is a SMEAR job, it is also a sign of DESPERATION. Ron Paul is real, that is why they are ATTACKING him. They feel THREATENED that they will lose control if people find out the TRUTH.

Lies, lies, lies... omfglol skdskj sdj 3434kj jsdd3

Ron Paul kick ass.

Spam is something that comes in a can and tastes like mystery meat. Ron Pauls' candidacy is real and it won't be stopped. Or maybe I'm just imagining all the signs in yards, and the large crowds that show up at his campaign speeches? Maybe he spammed $ 2.5 million in contributions in OCTOBER?

Why don't you go have lunch with Hannity or better yet CNBC and talk about debate polls? HA HA HA . Maybe you can cry on each others shoulders.

Guess what? If you think you've had enough of Ron Paul now, wait a few weeks, his name recognition is going up
and that means MORE contributions for him.
Ever notice now that the people have an honest candidate the rest of the bozos are starting to talk about the Constitution? DUH!!!
Too late bozos you're fired!

This "story" is everywhere but then again so are Ron Paul's supporters. Rest assured that wherever this bologna is spewed out, there we will be. You guys just can't believe that (in America's eyes) you are unbelievable. Americans are waking up and smelling the rat and the more the more this stuff is put out the more it's easy to see. You people know this is not news but in order for traffic to flow through your repugnant sites, you post any thing you can on Ron Paul. Remember, there is no such thing as "bad publicity" especially when it comes to someone as morally impeccable as Dr. Paul. This is all you "have on that hack Ron Paul"? Some phantom spammer? Sad.

It's a shame the mainstream media, namely fox and associates, won't pick up ANYTHING positive related to Ron Paul, however, as soon as one idiot supporter does something bad they immediately make it public and put it all on the Ron Paul campaign. Terrible, terrible journalism.

Wake up America, they are trying to pick your candidates for you. Don't you fall for it! Ron Paul scares the elite because he wants to change our direction and give the power back to the people!

Be a part of history! Go to www.ThisNovember5th.com and pledge to donate $100 to the Ron Paul campaign on November 5th.

I'm real and I vote and so do the 50+ other members of our MeetUp group in Macon, Georgia. I'm voting for Ron Paul.

motherjones.com recently wrote quite a negative story regarding the use of botnets and the Ron Paul campaign, but the source of that story has since updated their reporting of the incidents; Will this site do the same?

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot
http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=146668

Wired.com corrected Ron Paul Spam story
Maple Brown
Published 11/01/2007 - 2:52 p.m. EDT

Wired.com corrected a spam story about Ron Paul's campaign and clarified that there has been no evidence to suggest that Ron Paul’s campaign was involved with spamming.

The story quotes Gary Warner, the University of Alabama at Birmingham's director of research in computer forensics:

"This is clearly a criminal act in support of a campaign, which has been committed with or without their knowledge, The question is, will we see more and more of this, or will this bring shame to the campaigns and will they make clear that this is not a form of acceptable behavior by their supporters?"

It should be noted that Paul’s campaign has stated that it had nothing to do with it and that it is possible that the spamming itself could have as easily of come from another campaign or anyone seeking to discredit DR. Paul.

The article also states,

“The finding is significant, because Paul's online support -- as gauged by blog mentions, friends on social-networking sites such as MySpace and popularity in online polls -- has garnered him wide mainstream print and television coverage, despite his relatively poor performance in offline polling.”

Wired.com has also reported that Chris Barton of McAfee also discovered the spam.

While somebody without authorization may have spammed either on behalf of Ron Paul or in a futile attempt to injure his campaign. Several indicators suggest that Paul’s online and offline support is real.

Paul’s campaign has started airing TV spots in New Hampshire and according to Youtube this commercial has been viewed 233,000 times.

The Washington Post, which has one of the largest internet news sites, recently said that Washington Post traffic goes up when they write Ron Paul articles.

Another online indicator, Google Trends, although indirect, still suggest that Paul’s support is very real. Google Trends shows that Ron Paul’s name is searched far more than any other candidate running for office.

Last week USA Daily learned that Google Analytics shows that Ron Paul’s campaign website attracted close to a million people over the last month.

Ron Paul has demonstrated a tremendous level of support across the country generating crowds over a thousand people in various states. Paul raised over 5 million in the last quarter and has raised over 2.6 million in this quarter which still has two months to go. The money a candidate raises is more important than poll numbers.

Ron Paul was even well received by a mainstream audience on Jay Leno Tuesday night.

Paul has generated crowds, excitement, money, and has done well in several straw polls. Even MSNBC's Joe Scarborough commented on Paul’s grass roots support and of seeing home made signs as he brought his son home from college. He also commented on how his son told him everybody at his college was supporting Paul.

The only place he has not performed well are in media generated polls which in this election may be proven a lagging and inaccurate indicator of a candidate’s support. (Visit the USA Daily Forum to discuss this and other issues.)

Whoever is behind these emails, we don't know if he's pro or anti Ron Paul. But Ron Paul's campaign has nothing to do with this and 99.999999% of Ron Paul supporters wouldn't be dumb enough to do this. The dummies support the other GOP candidates.

By the way, I'm not a computer program!

Smear is a light, polite word. No definitve number or facts have been provided to substantiate these claims and I know hundreds of real Ron Paul Supporters. I, for one, am not a bot.

This is almost a criminal act to try and undermine the democratic process. It's almost like they are taking a cue from the Fake FEMA News conference.

I support Ron Paul now more than ever!

Um... did anyone read Jonathan Stein's post? He (and Mother Jones) are actually pretty supportive of Ron Paul. He writes: "The massive amount of support Ron Paul gets in the comments section of blogs across the internet can't be faked. (It was so extreme that Redstate.com went all Judge Dredd on its users and banned newbies from discussing Paul.) The money raised and the event turnout can't be faked. . .The very real support Paul is getting can now be WRONGFULLY dismissed as no more than internet shenanigans" [Emphasis mine]. He's pointing out what a stupid story it is, not supporting it. Argh.

I support Ron Paul for president. I live in Texas and have known about Ron Paul for a long time. He is a truth speaker. He is a soldier in the fight against tyranny and the new world order.......Join the fight!!!

These spambots are so advanced that they also helped raise more money than McCain and Romney plus all the other "second tier" candidates combined!
Oh and don't forget November 5th...have your spambot donate $100.00 to the Paul campaign. I think we (and our spambots) can do this.

What this proves is Ron Paul's clout. It looks like we have our first smear campaign against the good doctor. It is a sure sign that anti-constitutionalists are shaking in their shoes. Myself and those that can see past this utter nonsense will still be voting for him. Its crazy to me what people will do to try and move America away from the constitution.Ron Paul is the only Republican running for office, the rest have moved to more non-traditional stances, and Rudy is simply a flat out liberal. What a valiant effort though to try and discredit Paul...all its doing is proving to the world that Dr.Paul has power and could definately win the presidency....they would not be trying to discredit him if they did not think he was a threat. Go Ron Go!!! We are behind you and restoring America to it proper place no matter what smear campaign comes about!!

looks like a organized smear campaign to me. I've never gotten a ron paul spam email yet I get hundreds of viagra and other spam emails every month...not to mention the auto-matead phone calls for political candidates I've gotten ...why no MSM reports on this?

I'm real and I'm for Ron Paul

Laughing out loud here...First does the writer/genius realize that about 99% of the population has no idea what your talking about here. Secondly $10,000,000 + in donations to the campaign must have come from offshore BOT bank accounts. FOTFLMAO!!!!!

Smells like sabotage to me. It could be the work of an incredibly foolish Paul supporter, but either way it's a non-event. The real story is how the media is using it to "prove" that Paul support wasn't real after all. Just like we always said. And more about Britney's crotch at eleven. Don't miss it.

It really seems that journalists are overlooking two other suspects in this story:

1) Spammers who piggyback onto any high-traffic internet phenomenon (like Ron Paul) for a buck,

and

2) Those who have a vested interest in maligning the Paul campaign -- particularly those who have jobs that might be threatened by his presidency.

Think about it!

OKAY. Someone did something stupid. Someone sent out a bunch of spam. Big FREAKIN deal. That doesn't explain the thousands of people in Pauls meetup groups or the thousands of people donating to him. Let me tell you, I get at least 5 pieces of Hillary spam in my mailbox every day. I've also gotten some from Thompson and from Obama. This spam thing is just advertising. Some idiot thought it would be a great idea. It is just more likely to be opened if it looks like it is from a person. Whoa the whole campaign is a fake. Get real, Get over it, there are people that like Ron Paul. Is it really that surprising when you consider American citizens sentiment towards Iraq? Lets see a real news story, like the diplomats that are refusing to serve in Iraq because it is a death sentence.

It seems like that these spam messages are just generated by bots that scan the most popular subjects on the forums and the internet. "Ron Paul Wins GOP Debate! HMzjoqO" and "Ron Paul Exposes Federal Reserve! SBHBcSO." Hmm. Sounds like generated text to me, created by a bot that happened across some websites that supports Ron Paul.

"The very real support Paul is getting can now be wrongfully dismissed as no more than internet shenanigans."

If this concerned you at all...wouldn't a less misleading title be in order? While I haven't received any of these "spam" that have been mentioned, if they exist it does not make Ron Paul's support any less real.

Thanks for helping spread this garbage. Well done.

I am a long-time Mother Jones reader and I support Ron Paul and Barack Obama duking it out next November. They are the fresh voices that American politics need.

I honestly wish Hillary and John and Rudy and Romney and McCain would just drop out. Hillary may gain the Democratic nomination, but I won't vote for her and I know a lot of Democrats who won't, either.

Ron Paul says some stuff that some people want to hear. His popularity is a given in some circles but one need only look carefully at Ron to realize he is not all that people make him out to be.

I think he is honest but honestly wrong - very wrong on some very important issues.

Too many to garner my support - spambots or not.

My positive post about Ron Paul from this morning, titled "Ron Paul - It's Real, Get Over It," has, as of now, five total comments.

My negative post about Ron Paul (which, if read fully, is not that negative at all), titled "Ron Paul - It's Slightly Less Real Than I Thought," has, as of now, 50 total comments.

Noted without comment, as they say.

That positive post can be found here, btw:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/11/6012_ron_paul_its_re.html

A couple hundred SPAM emails and THIS is a national news story?

The media is DESPARATE to bury Ron Paul.

It ain't gonna happen.

Google the "Ron Paul Money Bomb."

We're going to make history and it's going to be REAL.

Is it just me, or has anyone NOT received a single spam email about Ron Paul?

Don't get me wrong, if it is true, it needs to be stopped as it does hurt Ron Paul's credibility. I would just like further investigation before placing blame on Ron Paul supporters.

Jonathan Stein,

You do excellent work, the more I read from you the higher my regard for your talent and honesty.

I think the RP'ers are a little reactionary and that is not your fault.

Thanks

Love the comments on here, especially the one about the hologram algorithm at the UMich rally. I was there and I can say with authority that I only saw a couple of dozen likely holograms there. I suspected that some of the students looked a little pasty--and here I thought they had been inside studying a little too much. Now I know that they were not really there.

I suggest that all the Ron Paul supporters (or should I say bots) out there use the secret Ron Paul money cloning device you have been given to double or triple your campaign contributions.

Multiple staff members have received these spam emails. I’ll post one here so everyone knows what we are talking about.

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Subject: Ron Paul Wins GOP Debate! fTkpAuD

Hello Scott,

Ron Paul is for the people, unless you want your children to
have human implant RFID chips, a National ID card and create
a North American Union and see an economic collapse far worse
than the great depression. Vote for Ron Paul he speaks the
truth and the media and government is afraid of him. This is
the last honest politican left to bring this country out of
this rut from the War Profiteers and bush Administration has
created. Get motivated America, don't believe the lies of the
media he has also WON the GOP Debate On Sunday! Value Freedom
and Liberty instead of corporate lies and corruption. Bypass
this media blackout they are doing to Ron Paul, tell your family
and friends and get involved in a local group at meetup.com make
your voice heard! He will end the War In Iraq immediately,
He will eliminate the IRS and wasteful government spending, and
eliminate the Federal Reserve and restore power to the people
and the only person not a member on the CFR. Can any other runner
make these claims or give Americans the true freedom we were all
raised to believe? We are all economic slaves to the banks and the
illegal federal Reserve. This is why our currency is worth nothing
because of Hidden Inflation Tax and the IRS taking everything
you make!

** RON PAUL WILL STOP THE IRAQ WAR IMMEDIATELY! **

He has NEVER voted:
* to raise taxes
* for an unbalanced budget
* to raise congressional pay
* for a federal restriction on gun ownership
* to increase the power of the executive branch

He HAS voted:
* against the Iraq war
* against the inappropriately named USA PATRIOT act
* against regulating the internet
* against the Military Commissions Act

He will eliminate the IRS, Wasteful Government Spending &
Stop The Iraq War Immediately!

Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that
is not allowed by the Constitution. And he Despises any
politican that does not do their job for the people and lives
up to the constitution!

Google.com & Youtube.com Search: "Ron Paul"
Join The Revolution!

***************************************
We Need A Real President That Will Restore And Protect
Americans! Stop The War! Protect Our Borders!
*********VOTE RON PAUL 2008************
dPbpOW

The problem, Jonathon, is that your title and first couple of sentences draw conclusions that are not justified by the facts. A few spam emails generated in the last few days do not make up any portion of Ron Paul's "online buzz".

The fact that you modify your conclusions in the last two paragraphs does not change the fact that you have used negative hyperbole to disparage Ron Paul and his supporters.

I would welcome a fair discussion of Ron Paul's positions. Instead what I see too often online are ad hominem attacks and misrepresentation of his positions. It is easy to knock over a straw man. Ron Paul is no straw man.

Wired.com corrected Ron Paul Spam story

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=146668

Ron Paul Campaign Under Cyber Attack

There has been a recent flurry of news articles that have made the conjecture that the Ron Paul campaign or his supporters are in possession of a botnet and are using it to generate spam emails for the candidate. I have been in the business of computer technology for a long time and have good friends in the IT security business and we have discussed this at length. Cui-bono (who benefits)

I find it far more likely that this botnet spam attack is not the design of the Paul campaign or any of its supporters. It is far more likely that this is the release of a first round of direct cyber attack against the Ron Paul campaign. I base this opinion on the fact that the attack is becoming clearly targeted at the youtube videos of Ron Paul. Youtube links to his videos are beginning to be inserted into the the body of these spam message and as a direct result the video's are being pulled by youtube for violation of their terms of use policy.

This attack method can do far more harm than good for the Ron Paul campaign so I will make a guess that this is the work of those in the NSA using cyber war tactics out of loyalty or possibly under orders to use this stealth attack method to derail the Ron Paul campaign by using the campaign's online strength against them.

I expect that after these attackers have used this method to remove the best google and youtube videos touting the Ron Paul campaign, that the attack method will change and will then go after other key components of the campaign's online strength such as the Web 2.0 communities. These utilities will likely be spammed and the organizations using the applications will be banned from their use.

This is nefarious and demonstrates the kind of tactics that the establishment could use to serve their interest in stopping the advance of Ron Paul and the Revolution for freedom that he is leading as well as his Presidential bid. I can only hope that the Ron Paul online army has some equally talented cyber warriors that can help stop this attack before it is ramped up even further.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article259.html

Frankly, I would have higher expectations from MJ rather than to regurgitate a half-assed press release from another site.

Watch fucktards like Hannity say "I knew it all along" ignoring the reality of $5M+ donations, meetups, etc.

Hey, I know...maybe those aliens that spoke to your boy Dennis are behind the whole thing.

MJ - back to the laugh pile for you!

I feel like Haley Joel Osment in that movie "AI."

I am a real Ron Paul Supporter!

This "scandal" is what happens when old fuddy-duddys try to explain technology. Spam e-mail has nothing to do with videos, polls, blogs, etc. They are completely different.

Ron Paul is just a victim of his internet success. Somebody realized that putting his name in an e-mail will get the viewer to open the e-mail. I have gotten Obama spam before and nobody has ever said anything about that!

This is a complete joke, a story like this belongs on the spoof if anywhere. I don't care anymore though, I'm over the "botnet" smear pieces such as this one. We don't need the msm on our side, all we need is real human beings donating real money, showing up to events, volunteering, and spreading the word. I just can't get over this though, the candidate with the most grassroots support by far is being called out as a fake? This is how seriously they take Ron Paul's campaign, even if he had raised $5 billion, and had an army of 5 million volunteers in meetup groups they would still call it spam.

Mother jones is main stream media, that sold out long ago and capitalises on it's past, present day articles are the proof

Totally Paul-ly

Here it is, a collection of some of Paul's "greatest" quotes, taken from seven of his monthly political newsletters written between 1990 and 1994. Because of the incredibly politically incorrect content, Morris asked Paul to release all past copies of the Ron Paul Survival Report to the media, going back to the newsletter's origin in 1986. Paul promised to do so, but never did. Individual copies, however, can be requested from his surfside home, at 409/233-5854. As to why he wouldn't release his entire body of work to the media, Paul says voters may not understand his "tongue-in-cheek, academic" writings.

* "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

* Although "we are told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

* "Black males age 13 that have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary, and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

* "The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend."

* "[Hillary Clinton] is one of the most dangerous women in public life. Not only is she a fanatical abortion advocate, she wants parents to register with the government as a condition for having children to be able to sue and `divorce' themselves from their parents. Maybe her daughter ought to sue her parents for attempting to raise her as a leftist. That sure qualifies as abuse to me."

* "...University of Texas affirmative action law professor Barbara Jordan is a fraud. Everything from her imitation British accent, to her supposed expertise in law, to her distinguished career in public service, is made up. If there were ever a modern case of the empress without clothes, this is it. She is the archetypical half-educated victimologist, yet her race and sex protect her from criticism."

* Disgruntled taxpayer "Dean Hicks fired bombs through mortars at night at buildings of the Internal Revenue Service in California. Hicks did damage federal property, but no individuals were injured... Hicks was sentenced to 20 years in prison, given a $45,000 fine, and ordered to pay $335,000 in restitution to the IRS. If he had been a serial murderer, he would not have gotten this sort of sentence."

* "Why do we need the federal government? There's no Cold War and no Communist threat. Many other nations are breaking into smaller and smaller pieces. The centralization of power in Washington occurred in a different time. Why not think about getting rid of the federal government, returning to the system of our Founders, and breaking up the United States into smaller government units?"

* "There is good news after the L.A. riots. Statewide, gun sales are up 45% over the same period last year. People have been purchasing a record number. If the cops are not going to take care of the problem, the people will."

* "There is no such thing as a hate crime, only crimes against person and property." -- A.M.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.paul.side.html

The smear tactics designed to discredit Ron Paul will come back to bite his opponents...

I support Ron Paul, and I am a real voter. I pinched myself a minute ago to remind myself once again that I am not a hologram.

The amount of denial that is out there regarding the support of Ron Paul is astonishing.

Bummer Ron Paul is a racist, eh?

But wait - more to come . . .

Ron Paul Reality Check

[...]

Of course, if all the passionate supporters of Paul would spend more time investigating all his congressional activities, they would find a lot more to seriously question. A chief example is that he has routinely inserted earmarks for pork spending to make constituents in his district happy. Then he hides behind his votes against the spending bills containing his earmark spending items. But those earmarks remain in those spending bills passed by Congress. Tell me, is that really virtuous behavior? His earmarks increase federal activities and spending. Many have been for projects by the Army Corps of Engineers, many to funnel money to the Texas Department of Transportation (including one for repairs to the Galveston Trolley system), and one for Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus to convert the Texas Clipper for educational purposes; maybe this was the $30 million for the Texas Maritime Academy to refurbish a ship. And then there was the $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing. This seems like pretty conventional Republican politics. This year Paul has requested about $400 million worth of federal spending for his district – not exactly consistent with Paul’s rhetoric on reducing federal spending and taxing. His duty is to inform his constituents about the wrongness of earmarks, not capitulate to their requests.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10672

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Typical GOPher - Hey Big Spender!

@ capt:

funny thing about your "austin chronicle" link...
the "austin chronicle" seems to consist of just that one page of quotes, alleged to be from Ron Paul, with nothing to verify their authenticty.
outside of than that, the "austin chronicle" doesn't seem to exist.

some of the quotes i happen to agree with, such as if the L.A. cops can't protect people then it's a good thing that they are smart enough to take measures to protect themselves. do you find that illogical or inappropriate?

WOWSER, from the posts that come from the ROP support bot's it seems:

Nobody cannot NOT support RP or they are part of a smear campaign.

Just because you have an opinion does not make it right or correct.

Others opinions are just as valid.

Ron Paul will never be more than a racist congressman from Texas.

We are a great country and a racist president will set us back 100 years.

Of course all racists support the slug.

How sad that HATE sells.

"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."
~ Hermann Hesse (1877 - 1962)

ATTENTION:

The Ron Paul campaign with their big scary internets and newfangled-thingamabob knowledge thereof swindled all us good-ole simple folk by hacking into every military base's mainframes around the world and sending fake money.

Ron Paul is actually NOT leading in military donations from active and retired service men and women. In fact, no one is. The military doesnt have an opinion on who should run the country, and if they do- we'll decide whether its relevant or not to bring up during the campaign.

We tried to tell you before, but Ron Paul doesnt actually exist. We left him deliberately off several poll results and candidate listings and discredited all the others that he won even when they were our own polls.

Go back to your lives America. We are here to protect you old quiet, good little citizens and predictable voters from the evil youngsters on those newfangled internets that you dont understand very well.

And remember:
- America has always been at war with Terror
- Two plus Two equals Five
- The terrorists want to get you because they cant stand how free you are
- Ideas that break with the status quo are crazy and dangerous

CLUE:

Email spam does not = online support. Email spam cannot affect any of the things you imply in this article. I wish everyone writing about this would get their technical facts straight.

It is 1,000 times more likely that this is an everyday spammer who is trying to use a popular search term so spread "normal" kinds of spam.

Facts are stupid things, eh?

@ capt:
...and "http://www.smirkingchimp.com/" is an legitimate, unbiased source of information??...

***STRAWMAN ALERT!!***

either come up with something verifiable from a legitimate source, or give it a rest.

it's the idea of freedom, liberty and a government that abides by the nation's highest law that people find attractive about Ron Paul
that's his very consistent message
it's proving to be a very popular concept with people, but some will concoct anything and everything, try to attribute it to Ron Paul in order to see that the status quo remains the status quo

it's not working

http://www.austinchronicle.com/

I believe you are not good at checking facts?

Better luck next time.

>>WOWSER, from the posts that come from the ROP support bot's it seems:

I am not a support "bot".

I am REAL, and I vote.

Face the truth, or else those so-called "bots" are going to surprise you on election day.

>>Nobody cannot NOT support RP or they are part of a smear campaign.

Referring to his supporters as being "bots", and attributing the degree of support for Ron Paul as being essentially nothing more than spam, are smear tactics.

>>Just because you have an opinion does not make it right or correct.

Correct.

>>Others opinions are just as valid.

Wrong.

Having an opinion, and the content of an opinon, are not the same thing.

>>Ron Paul will never be more than a racist congressman from Texas.

Correct, because Ron Paul is not a rascist.

>>We are a great country and a racist president will set us back 100 years.

And your point?

>>Of course all racists support the slug.

LOL!!!

Categorical errors are your forte, correct?

>>How sad that HATE sells.

Actually, it seems that you are sad that your own HATE is not selling.

We don't buy your garbage.

>>"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."
~ Hermann Hesse (1877 - 1962)

Have you applied the above to yourself? What is it about yourself that you find so detestable in Ron Paul?

Wake up.

Jet,

Reverting to the Ad Hominem?

Pathetic.

It is an OPINION piece so not a strawman -

Jeeze - the RP supporters are too reactionary.

Smear me because RP is not electable?

What a waste. (not very smart or insightful)

"What is it about yourself that you find so detestable in Ron Paul?"

EVERYTHING, I am so detestable (I hate myself so) but it is not about me.

I am not running for dogcatcher - nice try to reveert to the personal attacks.

Capt.,

You suffer from the same problem most Ron Paul detractors do. As in, assuming no one has heard of the things you just listed or how Ron Paul has addressed them.

- Your first 3 quotes were not written by Ron Paul but by an aide and he has addressed this already. He did, however, assume on record the moral responsibility for them being published under his name and apologized publicly for it. To leave this out of your little tirade is a bit dishonest.

- Your sixth quote is something Ron Paul has responded to and has vehemently denied ever even saying it as he said he has always had a tremendous amount of respect for the woman in question and considers her a good friend. Again, your complete ommission of this information (not even bothering to shoot it down or argue that you believe his apologies and denials are not sincere) is a bit odd and leaves you looking like someone out to elicit an emotional reaction.

- I frankly dont care if every other quote that you have listed IS true...though- as I've pointed out- there is reason to believe they may be disingenuous.

Im a black american from California and no stranger to the quotes you have listed. After doing my own research on the supposed issue, I dont believe Paul to be a racist at all.

I DO consider Hillary Clinton to be a racist and an outright criminal.

I DO consider Giuliani to be a contemptible liar, opportunist, and profiteer of one of the most terrible events in our history.

I DO consider Mitt Romney to be a racist- his very religion IS- and a liar.

I DO believe that the Council on Foreign Relations and our elected officials' adherence to its agenda constitutes a composite treason comitted against the American People, and that I will never vote for one of their members.

I DO believe that Ron Paul's detractors are almost always embarassingly and evidently desperate in their nature and lack of relevance...that is when they're not being blatantly ignorant and misguiding.

I am not a BOT.

"You suffer from the same problem most Ron Paul detractors do."

One - I am not a RP detractor I am a Kucinich supporter and a lover of peace and freedom.

All you RP supporters have offered so far is personal attacks against me or anybody that is not a supporter of RP.

Do you really think you can gain more supporters by this?

" the "austin chronicle" seems to consist of just that one page"

Still having trouble finding the publication or are you having trouble admitting your error about the source I posted? (does that matter to you?)

I offered the source - you claimed it was bunk - what say you?

RP on the issues:

Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

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That is just on Abortion.

I am not a detractor just because I do not agree with Ron.

And I am bot and proud of it! HA!

Ron Paul - on the issues

No affirmative action for any group. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Rated 67% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Voted YES on replacing illegal export tax breaks with $140B in new breaks. (Jun 2004)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Opposes "hate crimes" legislation. (Sep 2007)
Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
Equal funds for abstinence as contraceptive-based education. (Sep 2007)
Tax-credited programs for Christian schooling. (Sep 2007)
Guarantee parity for home school diplomas. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)
Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
Don't pressure Israel to give up land for promise of peace. (Sep 2007)

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Those are some of the specific issues and positions with which I doo not agree with RP.

See, not a detractor - not by a long shot. Just a well informed voter.

That makes me a detractor?

PUH-lease

(I know bad source, strawman, whatever)

lol...I didnt "attack you" at all. I calmly addressed each "point" you made.

Correction: You ARE, for purposes of this discussion, a Ron Paul detractor.
I'll explain,
- You havent mentioned Dennis Kucinich ONCE.
- Your posts have been oriented towards detracting support for Ron Paul and offering reasons why he would be a poor candidate.
- You have bothered to come to a Ron Paul internet news article and comment on it repeatedly to do the above two things...again, I havent noticed you promoting Kucinich whatsoever. I even do as much- even though I loathe the Democratic party and will not vote for him, I still mention Kucinich about half the time I debate with people on these issues and offer the same sort of praise I give Ron Paul; were Paul not running, I'd be voting for Kucinich.
- I am a bit of a "lover of peace and freedom" myself. Im not sure what point youre trying to make there.

I'll ask you a few questions now:

- Why are Ron Paul detractors ((or..."non-Ron-supporters," if you so prefer) so quick to cry foul and play the victim...in between their steadfast self-assurance/insistence that Ron Paul is a molehill-turned-mountain, is a crazy racist loon, and has no chances whatsoever of winning...whenever his supporters (which they term anything from crazy to imaginary) argue with them or voice their support?

What is the threat here if this candidate is so destined for doom and his supporters so assured to be disappointed? I wouldnt go out of my way to argue with a leprechaun nor anyone who went blue in the face insisting to me that they saw one. In my experience, people only argue so passionately and committedly with you provided that you actually have valid points to argue WITH.

- To pose your original question: Are YOU trying to gain more supporters for Kucinich by popping into every Ron Paul online article and telling all his supporters that theyre flat out wrong and theyre actually supporting an evil mediocre racist? Because personally, I care very little for the other candidates and am interested in telling others about my choice- should any potential Ron Paul-convert join the dialogue then I feel expressing my own opinions should be enough...if not, then maybe we simply disagree and can agree amicably to do so.

@ capt:
i followed the "austin chronicle" link in your original posting, with all the quotes alleged to come from Ron Paul, first thing, and if you click on any other link within that page to check it out, there simply isn't anything there
i checked your original source, and it isn't one
check it for yourself
i also checked out the link you posted later, and it doesn't seem to lead me to the Ron Paul statements by any means i tried, so how does it support your position?

it's a "strawman" in a debate when you attempt to refute positions not actually taken by your opponent
the opponent in this case being Ron Paul, and with the quotes and positions you present not verifiable as being made by Ron Paul, it is INDEED a "strawman" you've set up to contend with

the "Ad Hominem" you seem to accuse me of would occur if i attacked you personally, rather than refuting your statements
i don't see where i've done so
can you point out such an instance of a personal attack?

"Capt" of what?

Jet,

You are as wrong as rain and I will not do your searching and confirmations for you - except this time:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.index.html

(about halfway down the page)

To try to discount the validity of a page because the links do not work is not a viable method.

Use google or any search engine and you would have found it yourself.

That would mean I didn't post a poor source and therefore no strawman, silly.

AND

"either come up with something verifiable from a legitimate source, or give it a rest."

Is Ad Hominem. (even by your definition)

So, about that being wrong thingy? (we all make mistakes it takes heart to admit it)

capt - just a nickname from years ago.

Not a veteran nor captain of anything (not even a rubber ducky)

thanks for asking

Again, I am loathe to do the work for others but . . .

There is some question about who actually authored the quotes published in the Austin Chronical. Check Wiki and you will be better at defending your choice for president in the future.

Oh the political debate gets old. Everybody has their candidate/motive. But I don't think it really matters in the long run. It doesn't matter if you're a slut (liberal democrat) a whore (neo-con) or a rape victim (everyone else) you're still screwed.

"Oh the political debate gets old."

But is a necessary thing - like death.

We all lose if we stop talking. It is Our country (all of us) and the corporation are running and ruining the show.

There are many thing that RP and I agree upon - it is the things with which I disagree that move me to choose not to vote RP.

He (Ron Paul) said on the Thom Hartmann radio show that the government should not own any land - all should be privatized?

The beaches, the mountains and al the desert?

Too kooky for my taste. We all know property is important but we all like to enjoy the commons.

We must keep the commons - well . . um . . common.

IMHO

"Oh the political debate gets old."

But is a necessary thing - like death.

We all lose if we stop talking. It is Our country (all of us) and the corporation are running and ruining the show.

There are many thing that RP and I agree upon - it is the things with which I disagree that move me to choose not to vote RP.

He (Ron Paul) said on the Thom Hartmann radio show that the government should not own any land - all should be privatized?

The beaches, the mountains and al the desert?

Too kooky for my taste. We all know property is important but we all like to enjoy the commons.

We must keep the commons - well . . um . . common.

IMHO

@ capt:

yet a third link you provide, and it's to an article from 1996
no wonder it's so hard to track down

those alleged quotes are still disputed and unsupported by any verifiable means, said to come from Ron's monthly newsletter, but nobody who claims the statements are Pauls seems to have copies of it
no matter how many websites you can find that repeat what they find on other websites, it's still unverified and unverifiable by legitimate sources
maybe if you could find such statements in the congressional record and post them, it would be believable (and would definitely make an impression)

so, you believe that asking you to provide verification of the statements you attribute to Paul or not bother posting them is a personal attack on you?
i've got to say i've never heard that one in any debate before, and i've been in a few
no, that doesn't fit my definition of an "Ad Hominem", or "against the man" response at all
should i revert to calling you "silly", "pathetic", "not very smart or insightful" then you'd have a point about Ad Hominem.
but it was not me who said those things.

lol at capt spamming the page. Dude, you're working so hard, all by your lonesome. Maybe you should employ a bot-net, give yourself some rest?

@ capt:

["Check Wiki and you will be better at defending your choice for president in the future."]

wiki? the faith based encyclopedia that anyone and everyone can change to suit themselves?

that's the sort of shaky source one should NOT rely on for solid, verifiable information.
Robert McHenry, Former Editor in Chief, the Encyclopædia Britannica, and author of "How to Know" explains why
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=111504a

"but nobody who claims the statements are Pauls seems to have copies of it"

Nobody?

You ask the non-existent Austin Chronical about why the publish them.

Thanks - but when you can say "nobody has them" you surrender the point that they are in fact valid.

If they are not then sue the Chronical - they are a NEWSPAPER - they can only print lies.

You see the weakness in your pathetic argument is:

1 - the quotes are from a stand alone webpage and the AC doesn't exist

2 - the links don't work.

3 - nobody has them.

Iwill not bother with the last because obviously you think the Austin Chronical is another part of some smear campaign - the quotes are from 1996 - long before this election cycle and RP has not made any effort tp correct the record in 11 years.

If that doesn't mean anything so be it.

["the quotes are from 1996 - long before this election cycle and RP has not made any effort tp correct the record in 11 years."]

i guess Julian's response on this thread at 3:50 PM today didn't even happen? or you wish it didn't?

yeah, the article you posted admits it didn't have actual copies of those newsletters from Ron Paul
it was just publishing hear-say, and it admitted it... 'sort of'.
it says ["Morris (doesn't say who the hell 'Morris' is, though) asked Paul to release all past copies of the Ron Paul Survival Report to the media, going back to the newsletter's origin in 1986. Paul promised to do so, but never did."]
no hard copy to verify the source of the statements, as i previously said
they admit it, but you won't

This what I know :
Gary Warner of UAB is alive and well. This is a quote from his blog today,"How many people do I think were behind the Ron Paul spam? One. And not one that is officially recognized in any capacity by the Ron Paul campaign." http://garwarner.blogspot.com/
www.rudygiulianiforum.com does exist. It was registered on 04/07/07 through GoDaddy.com by a company called "Domain by Proxy Inc." Who actually owns the site, I don't know. It seems they are in the Business of providing a front for actual domain owners. Some suggest Dr. Paul supporters others Mitt Romney supporters. I can't say for sure. I do know the "string" has been reposted on the site by other users who claim to actually know Sarah Lai Stirland from there. Decide for yourself.
In complete fairness to Sarah, one should "google" the young lady and look at her body of work. Her poor journalism is not limited to Dr. Paul . I suspect she is really a supporter of the DNC and not Rudy at all. I urge Dr. Paul supporters to communicate w/ Gary Warner of UAB and thank him for his honesty on this subject (Contrary to what Sarah has written). He has promised more "ammo" for Dr. Paul supporters who pay him a visit. Also feel free to visit Sarah Stirland on her site by the same name dot com. I wonder how she feels about the Ron Paul internet presence now? Hope this has helped.

The scary thing is that emailing (ie communication) is "illegal."

spooky world we live in

I don't get what the big deal is anyway. So they got an email that says Ron Paul won the debates, he did didn't he? I get spam crap all the time, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I really don't understand? Isn't like he did it anyway.

"the article you posted admits it didn't have actual copies of those newsletters from Ron Paul"

But the article provides a phone number to get a copy. Send me an address and I'll have them mail one over.

The ONLY question is: did RP have a ghost writer write them, the fact that the quotes are from HIS newsletter is not even disputed by HIM.

Them pesky facts AGAIN.

Of course - all this means is you were wrong, the source is bona fide, therefore no strawman.

It is truly your loss. (in every way)

The 3:50 post starts off by calling me a RP detractor. (very funny)

A bad and impolite start does not make for good reading.

I side with RP on many issue - just not enough to convince me to vote GOP.

To vote GOP is to continue the corrupt dollar de-mock-racy that is the GOP.

The DUMB-o-crats are not much better and the corporatists are running (ruining) the country in the name of profit. RP supports that and is GOP through and through maybe even more GOP so than the neocreeps that call themselves GOP.

RP is a true conservative (which cannot be said about more than a handful of the GOPhers)

Still, too much for me.

The sad part about RP is that his voting record comports with that of a racist.

Check out the post that lists his votes above.

He cannot run from his record and the quotes do not exist in a vacuum. If his voting record contrasted the quotes that would support the ghost writer ploy but it doesn't.

Those facts and his voting history will always be there for all the world to see.

*****

Do I think there are forces that are active and working to keep RP out? NO DOUBT!

However, calling the article written above a smear and whatnot was very reactionary and wrong as well.

Check out the otherr piece JS wrote about RP? I think JS has a strong balance and just provides the facts. That's my opinion.

You know, I had a pretty high regard for Mother Jones until I read this article. I'd recommend changing your by-line "Smart, Fearless Journalism". Smart you're definitely not. It's simple to see how bogus this smear tactic is. Fearless - don't think it took much guts to follow someone else's lead without checking to see if it was even true or not.

RP folks are spamming him with their money!

Today in Greenville SC, huge crowd of real people to celebrate his new office grand opening. Tonight in Spartanburg at the GOP meeting... standing room only and many could not even get in the doors.... that's not spam either.

Too bad this will be my last visit to this questionable website.

I expect the vote counters at the polls to delibertly miss count Ron Pauls votes to eliminate him from the race. I am determined to write in his name in Nov 08 and consider that far better than voting for any one of the mutants beimg picked by the media and being shoved down our throats.

I am a ronbot. I give lots of money to his campaign because I am a fake entity.

I am a ronbot. I give lots of money to his campaign because I am a fake entity.

I like the guy posting votes. That is a valid point. What's interesting is that every single one of these votes follows Paul's campaign promises of decreasing Federal authority in our lives and returning power to State jurisdiction where we have more control of it. All your posts prove is that Paul is the most honest candidate running for office. And he means every single word he says. Thank god for a candidate that finally believes we should be free, not more regulated. Vote Ron Paul. Donate November 5th.

I am a ronbot. I give lots of money to his campaign because I am a fake entity. Fear my power. I have the ability to give millions to a campaign because I am the same guy.

Morons.

Notice how the story doesn't contain any numbers? It doesn't quantify or qualify the bot-spam. How many per minute, hour, day are from bots. In short the referenced article says little more than "There is some pro-Ron Paul messages origniating from bots."

... For all we know other canidates have their own followers who did the same thing. They just aren't noticed because they didn't generate a "phnomemnon."

Capt.
"The ONLY question is: did RP have a ghost writer write them, the fact that the quotes are from HIS newsletter is not even disputed by HIM."

- No...actually that's NOT a "question" at this point at all because its already been addressed for those who are doing the research, or simply read the relevant bit that I provided- go ahead and cross check it if you'd like.

Oops, thats right Capt.- you obviously HAVE seen it already since you listed Wikipedia as a source; its on there and Im sure you saw it, since it was seamlessly included with the excerpts youre now touting. So I guess the "question" then becomes...why havent you mentioned that you already know this?

Why are you pretending to be unaware that Ron Paul has already addressed this, assumed moral responsibility because it was printed under his name, and apologized for it publicly?

You seem to be avoiding information and facts that dont suit your continued, open-ended quest to prove what a racist Ron Paul supposedly is. ---Or maybe they DO; why not just address RP's responses (which I have restated again for you) to these subjects and argue that you dont believe his explanations were sincere or sufficient? The fact that youre avoiding this information ALTOGETHER cosigns your bringing it up in the first place to the status of an emotional appeal in which all relevant facts are secondary to your hoped-for reaction.

I would have expected Paul to probably not to show up at the All American Presidential Forum if he were the type of person you are claiming him to be, and for Tavis Smiley or Juan Williams to ask him about the newsletters you seem to take as irrefutable proof that he is a racist. I would have expected him to have been challenged with this and practically not even have time to refer to and praise a prominent black economist for his views. Unless, of course- this has already been thoroughly addressed in public by the candidate in question, verified as to whether it was his writing, and responsibility laid at someone's feet. But as it turns out, this all took place already.

Capt.
"Them pesky facts AGAIN."

- Yeah...you really dont seem to like them.

Capt.:
"The 3:50 post starts off by calling me a RP detractor. (very funny). A bad and impolite start does not make for good reading."

- Nice cop-out. That's not an impolite start as I have already explained for you in yet another post you'd apparently like to pretend doesnt exist. I'll restate the case for you again and explain why so many of us have suffered from the supposed delusion that you are a "Paul-detractor."

You are a Ron Paul detractor for the purposes of the conversation currently being held here.
3 reasons why,
1 - You corrected me that you are not a Paul detractor, but a "Kucinich supporter and lover of peace and freedom."

2 - Contrary to #1, you never mentioned Kucinich ONCE