Gov't Health Care Kills Granny Dead!
The conservative strategy to derail Obama’s reform plan sounds crazy—but it just might work.
Republicans have come up with a counteroffensive to President Obama's health care plan, and it can be summed up in one handy code word: rationing. From the GOP establishment to the fringes of right-wing radio, the conservative movement hopes to derail reform with the notion that Obama secretly plans to deny treatment to your grandmother—in order to free up cash for a socialized health care system. It sounds ludicrous. But it could have a broader and more potent appeal than you might think.
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Democrats Want to Kill Your Grandma!
According to right-wingers, Dems want Medicare patients to get counseled on how to end their lives sooner.
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The controversy stems from a language in health care legislation promoted by congressional Democrats that would allow for payment for physicians who counsel elderly or terminally ill patients about what medical interventions they would prefer near the end of their lives and how to prepare instructions such as living wills. Under the plan, Medicare would reimburse doctors for one session every five years to confer with a patient about his or her wishes and how to ensure those preferences are followed. The counseling sessions would be voluntary.
But on right-leaning radio shows, religious email lists, and Internet blogs, this proposition has morphed into a devious scheme "guiding you in how to die." In the words of anti-abortion leader Randall Terry, it's an attempt to "kill Granny."
In recent weeks, variations of this argument have been sprouting up all over the conservative ecosystem. Rush Limbaugh has been laying it on particularly thick for his 22 million listeners. "People at a certain age with certain diseases will be deemed not worth the investment, and they will, just as Obama said, they'd give them some pain pills, and let them loop out till they die and they don't even know what's happened…They're preparing you to die," he said on one show. (A caller who said she was 66 responded, "You know, Rush...they want to get rid of the old people so they can insure the illegal aliens for their voting base.") And it gets even more sinister: Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ezekiel, a physician and White House health care policy adviser is, Limbaugh says, a "central figure" who believes it’s a "waste of money to invest in health care in the elderly. " Plus, he plans to expand hospice care. And we all know what that means!
Fox News host Sean Hannity has also taken up the cause, as has Terry, the former head of anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, who has been railing against the President's "death care." Donny Ferguson at the libertarian Small Government Times writes that Obama's plan "sends government employees to your home to monitor your parenting…and forces the sick and elderly to submit to 'end of life counseling.'" According to the Washington Post, Betsy McCaughey, the former New York politician who played a major role in derailing the Clinton health care initiative, told former GOP senator and failed presidential contender Fred Thompson on his radio show that the health care reform bill contained mandatory counseling sessions for seniors "to end their life sooner" by showing them how to "decline nutrition...and cut your life short."
Somewhat more subtly, prominent figures in the GOP establishment are also playing off these alarmist themes. Newt Gingrich has slammed Obama’s plan for containing “too much rationing,” while Republican message guru Frank Luntz authored an influential memo advising conservative politicians to work the rationing angle. Then there’s Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, who famously devised the strategy that Republicans successfully followed to torpedo Clinton's reform proposal in the early 1990s, and regularly uses his magazine to telegraph talking points to all corners of the conservative movement. In a recent Weekly Standard blog post, Kristol seizes upon an innocuous paragraph about cost cutting in Ted Kennedy's powerful plea for reform on the cover of Newsweek. Kristol claims that Kennedy has "let the rationing cat out of the bag" and that "government bureaucrats are going to deem entire categories of treatment inefficient for all or certain categories of patients, and put those treatments out of bounds for doctors and hospitals."
The congressional GOP’s official talking points also play up the prospect of rationing, claiming, "A government takeover of health care will raise taxes, ration care, and let government bureaucrats make decisions that should be made by families and their doctors." Not all leading Republicans have been so subtle. House minority leader Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) issued a statement in late July saying that the House Democrats’ health care proposal "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia."
The notion of rationing—with the specter of government-sponsored euthanasia thrown in for good measure—fires up the Christian conservative base. And it's a natural irritant to libertarians, who resent the prospect of government meddling in personal life choices. But it could also appeal to other groups whose support would be politically useful to Republicans. For starters, there's the elderly. The notion that the younger generation might be out to kill them off—or not provide them with adequate care—is understandably alarming to some elderly people. There are also the Catholics, who are deeply opposed to euthanasia. Already, questions about whether Obama's plan will sanction the practice have proliferated on Catholic websites.
Whoever the targets may be, the scare tactics are having an effect. In the past two weeks, AARP has fielded a few thousand calls from people who mistakenly think the legislation would require every Medicare recipient to "choose how they want to die," James Dau, a spokesman for the organization, told the Washington Post.
Perhaps the most absurd thing about this attack is that the US already rations health care: by denying insurance coverage to the poor and lower-middle class, by limiting treatment for anyone who doesn't have the kind of Cadillac insurance that usually only comes with high-paying jobs, and by allowing pharmaceutical companies to charge such exorbitant prices for drugs that some people just stop taking them. In the current proposals under debate, some politicians also want to cut back Medicare—the closest thing to a fair, classless, single-payer system that the United States has ever had. That's the kind of rationing that voters should actually be scared about.
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My god I had to toil through
My god I had to toil through the entire cliche ridden diatribe ("...Weekly Standard editor William Kristol..... regularly uses his magazine to telegraph talking points to all corners of the conservative movement." I suppose that is different somehow than say the NYT who broadcasts its marching orders to liberals across the country.) to get to the real talking point: "Medicare—the closest thing to a fair, classless, single-payer system that the United States has ever had." Why do you equate 'fair' with 'classless'? Our culture is not based on classless. There is nothing classless about our society so why should our healthcare program be classless?
The radical left have so over reached on this that they were virtually doomed to fail from the very beginning. There is no one size fits all in our society, had the liberals scratched there heads and thought about it for a moment they would have designed a health care program that allowed for choice and differentiation. After all a 21 year old doesn't want or need the same coverage as a 55 year old. A millionaire doesn't want the same coverage as someone receiving public assistance for their insurance.
You fail to recognize the realities of both society and the marketplace. We're not some utopian society where we are all treated the same. Failure to understand this is going to bring down this legislation.
I hope.
NYT liberal... haha... you
NYT liberal... haha... you shown your lack of knowledge in the first line of your argument. That's rather a Rush's line
what is the real difference
what is the real difference between democrats n repblicans?
Sure your grannies health
Sure your grannies health care will be rationed. A 90 year old is not going to receive a heart transplant or other major surgery because they would be unlikely to survive the procedure, If it is done then that would be more about the money being made than the well being and best interests of your Grannie.
Excuse me, but...
got change said, "After all a 21 year old doesn't want or need the same coverage as a 55 year old. A millionaire doesn't want the same coverage as someone receiving public assistance for their insurance."
Obviously a millionaire doesn't want change. A millionaire doesn't need to be fought for and defended. That's Rush Limbaugh's job. I'll lend my voice to the poor, thank you.
What is your reasoning for the first part of that statement? Why shouldn't I, at age 28, want access to just as good of care as my parents, especially if it turns out that I do need the care? The problem is that there is a large economy in America that profits by denying people (even those who have insurance) health care that they need.
got change said, "You fail to recognize the realities of both society and the marketplace. We're not some utopian society where we are all treated the same."
I think we've all seen this past year just how flawed the marketplace is. The CEOs and millionaires want freedom do what they want, no matter how it may hurt the rest of us. Then when they get in trouble and are in danger of bankruptcy, they come crawling to the government (the supposed representatives of the people) and demand help for being screw-ups. Yes, this is definitely not a utopian society.
Yet we are all human. All humans will get sick and eventually die. It's something we all share in common. So why shouldn't doctors be free to give humans the treatment they need? Why must we make it more and more difficult for doctors to do their work? I think the answer is obvious, but sadly it isn't to many Americans, especially the richest among us, blinded by wealth.
Support single payer...
Actually what I said was a
Actually what I said was a “21 year old doesn’t want or need the same coverage as a 55 year old” I didn’t say ‘not as good’. Currently there are over 900 individual State health mandates; in Massachusetts health insurance must cover in vitro fertilization. In Maryland, hair transplants. This one size must fit all is simply the wrong approach. Does a 55 -year old man want to pay for coverage that includes in vitro vertilization? Does a 21-year want or need to pay coverage that includes PSA tests, colonoscopy’s, Mammograms. We don’t all drive the same car, we don’t all insurance them the same way. We need a Safe Auto or Geico of health insurance. If the millionaire want to pay for the private room and is willing to pay for it fine, but don’t force everybody into the same box car.
It is clear from history that a free economy is better for both the individual and the group than the planned or controlled economy. In a democracy the customer- the one who pays the bills must have the right to exercise his free choice when he is out shopping in the marketplace. The autonomy of the customer should hold whether his is buying a suit, a loaf of bread or health insurance. My thesis was that we are not a homogenous society, the moment Obama trotted out his blue suit for all it was bound to meet with resistance because it is so ‘anti-our culture’.
You rail against the marketplace, CEO’s and millionaires. Have you ever taken a look at government? Even now as they order up their $200 million private jets, they could pay for the $100 B price tag for national health insurance if they’d sacrifice a little themselves, after all the price is less than 3% of the Federal Budget. You could find 3% in your budget couldn’t you for something that you deemed absolutely necessary. But of course the politics here is more important than policy so no one, no one at all calls for government to sacrifice first and find the money for this themselves without raising taxes
Medicare is broke. Social security is broke. The Federal Government is broke. The Post Office is broke. Amtrak is broke. Fannie Mae is broke. Freddie Mac is broke. Sorry, I don’t want the government running my health insurance.
If "all govt. for people programs is really B-R-O-K-E"
ask WHY? How about solutions - start with transfering the 2/3rds of the ENTIRE budget which pays for current/past MILITARY Mis-takes in the powers quest for true GLOBAL DOMINATION.
Give money that our people pay - BACK TO PEOPLE.
Just speak the truth: the bankers and the health insurers and the corporations have been taking your money and buying your government.
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When Walter Cronkite took over the CBS Evening News in 1961 there were over 600 individual media companies in the US. Now there are 6.
That was on purpose.
Health care
The waste in our present health care system is described and explained rather well by Dr. Atul Gawande in the June 1, 2009 issue of NEW YORKER magazine.
A single payer system would be far less expensive than the present system with (at least) 76 health insurance companies.
The right wing spokespeople are blessed with (1) popular ignorance; and (2) a refusal by many of the ignorant to believe that their spokespeople would lie about anything important.
There is little that one can do to convince opponents on the issue of health care. The dividing issue is compassion: compassion for the people who don't have much going for them versus occasional compassion for those who have much going for them.
P.S. As for the list of “broke” government agencies, until the bail-out there were as many broke banking, insurance, and finance corporations. Private enterprise is good but overrated.
Do you really think Gov't is free?
You have another thing coming! There are so many strings in the bill, you could provide strings to Nike. That's exagertaion but it is to make a point that-that on the surafce its healthcare for all, but behind the curtain (of over a 1000 page bill) gov't has plans to take away peoples liberties and control them. If your fear is getting sick and not being covered your perfect prey for such a wicked bill. I Do not have healthcare but I don't live fear about it. My health is in Jesus Christ hands, there are worse things then dieing. Like not being saved. People would say well wouldn't Jesus help the sick? Amen! But he wouldn't require what the gov't is of you. Access to your BANK account! Yes that's one of the many gov't proposals that shall give them MORE control of YOU! Jesus Christ is the way change, Obama is the way of chump change!
Worse things
The word is dying ont dieing. Jesus did heal the sicj . How would you know that he woulkdn't support health care for the masses? Before you say he would want goverment to supply care I accept that you have no desire to be your brother's keeper, well neither did Cain.
I suppose it would not be
I suppose it would not be such a bad thing to deny YOU health care.....
What you aren't seeing now
What you aren't seeing now is the other end of your life. You're 28, so your healthcare needs are minimal now compared to what they will be when you are 82. The government can afford to give you the minimal care you need, but as you get older you are going to find they become more reluctant to shell out the money until eventually you get nothing. So they take your money (and they WILL take your money, healthcare will NOT be free you WILL be taxed for it), they give you a little back now and then to keep you happy and thinking how great the system is, then when you become too expensive to treat, you will be left to die. This is nothing more than a money grab being perpetrated by the government. They are grabbing the money away from the insurance industry and taking it for themselves. Look what's happening in Canada, they are cutting surgeries that were scheduled months or years ago because they don't have the money to pay for them. What are those people supposed to do now? They did as they were told and waited and now they get nothing? How many will die because of this? The head of the Canadian system also says it is about to implode. If it isn't working in Canada, it won't work here either simply because we have a lot more people here and a lot more old people. I don't know how you can sleep nights knowing that millions of seniors will die for you to have healthcare. It goes way beyond selfish when you have so little regard for the lives of others so long as you get what you want. Obamacare is an abomination and must be stopped.
Gov't Health Plan
We have public schools educate all students. And up to recently, they did that quite well. There has always been the option of private school. Health care can be the same but for the Corporations who fear they will not have mega profits if they cannot control the whole pie. The scare tactics shouted by the Repubplicans are nothing more than echos of their corporate masters. I am 64 years old. I do not want to get to an age where I cannot care for myself and lived with indignities on a daily basis. I do not want someone changing my depends. I want to have dignity and the option of terminating my life legally when it becomes too much to bear. Instead of Canada - use Scandanavia or France as the health care model.
At the very core of
At the very core of progressive ideological dysfunction is the irrational lust for egalitarianism, which I have come to view as the biggest POS ever thought up by human kind. All you people are going to have the exact same outcomes in life period. Government's primary function is to assure absolute equality. I am going to report all you progressives to flag@whitehouse.gov, because they request we report "fishy" stuff.
Anything progressive about health care reform is fishy by definition.
What's wrong with a society
What's wrong with a society collectively deciding to keep the powerful from dominating, exploiting and preying upon the weak? Is that a POS idea? If you have no soul maybe. It's not equality that is sought here. It's the right to have a fighting chance in a situation where the deck is stacked so high against you. I'm talking about a level playing field, not equality. The top 5% wealthiest Americans do not add any more value to this world than the other 95%. They just have the power to guarantee that all benefits accrued fall to themselves instead of others.
"level playing field" =
"level playing field" = liberal speak for communism
"The top 5% wealthiest Americans do not add any more value to this world than the other 95%."
Except that they are the ones who provide most of the JOBS and the existing healthcare for the 95%.
"They just have the power to guarantee that all benefits accrued fall to themselves instead of others."
So you don't think that 5% of the people who pay 80% of the taxes are entitled to just a little bit more out of life than the millions who pay nothing at all?
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I hope there is a God so some day he will roast on a spit the merciless greedy who cause so much pain to so many people who cannot get help or face financial self-destruction when they get ill.
This is about HEALTH INSURANCE, the insurance idea of which applies to all kinds of insurance: one for all, and all for one. Your car insurance works just like that.
It is so sipmple: every month everybody throws some affordable amount of money into a big pot. When someone gets unexpectedly ill, all illness is unexpected, and faces large bills he cannot possible handle, we take what he needs out of this pot. Of course, it is not that simple. Too many vultures circle around this pot.
Sure your grannies health
Sure your grannies health care will be rationed. A 90 year old is not going to receive a heart transplant or other major surgery because they would be unlikely to survive the procedure, If it is done then that would be more about the money being made than the well being and best interests of your Grannie.
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Why don't you forget about ideological, and progressive and dysfuntional and liberal and conservative and all this crap.
All we need is an insurance system to help pay for all possible cases of illness which well over 90% if Americans cannot afford to pay for but will be hit by sooner or later. This system needs to be administratively lean and for-profit is out of the question. For-profit is not only not needed, it is destructive and unethical. But who cares about the latter as long as his bank account is fat?
The government can run a lean system as is demonstrated by Medicare and Medicaid. Don't believe the lies ists distractors are spinning.
Question: where do the insurance companies get all the millions from they spend on their lobbyists who do not have your, the average family's, interest in mind?? They get it from YOUR excessive premiums and denied care! Want to lower health care costs?: take the insurance companies out of the game. There is your answer. Everything else is lies.
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nothing more than bully boy........FASCIST
Progressives in Action
Someone once observed that watching progressives in action was akin to watching five-year-olds play soccer. Instead of subscribing to an effective strategy -- one where playing positions and assuming roles allows a team to advance toward its goal -- everyone on the field runs to wherever the ball goes. Conservative social entrepreneurs understand this.
US against THEM?
The ripples have started before the major storm. WE MUST BE ON OUR GUARD?
More than ever before, this is the time to ignite the major issues under the feet of all politicians. We need the extraction process of mandated E-Verify composite of the SAVE ACT; to remove illegal labor from the workplace in all businesses Gathered together with local police detainment 287(g), the NO MATCH Social Security law and not to weaken ICE raids. All patriotic Americans who believe in a pro-sovereignty, anti-illegal immigrant must contact their arrogant pandering lawmakers, demanding no amnesty, no chain migration and build the border fence according two original specifications. American Workers and the general public must fight against abhorrent special interest groups, such as US chamber of Commerce, ACLU, La Raza, Council of Foreign Relations, ImmigrationWorksUSA and many more. Say--NO--to ACORN INVOLVED IN THE 2010 CENSUS. Sen. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi are the American Workers worst enemies?
That SANCTUARY STATES like California must rescind illegal immigrant refuge policies. That President Obama's health care renewal plan—WILL--attract millions more impoverished people from around the world. That they can join with the 20 plus million already here, to get free medical care under the Democrats law now passing through Congress. MY QUESTION IS! WHY SHOULD TAXPAYERS SUPPORT THE ILLEGAL LABOR FOR THE PARASITE CORPORATE ENTITIES ACROSS AMERICA? CALL TODAY AND GIVE POLITICIANS AT 202-224-3121 YOUR CRESCENDO OF FRUSTRATION? THAT'S ALL THEY UNDERSTAND--WHEN THEIR JOBS ARE IN PERIL. GOOGLE NUMBERSUSA AND JUDICIALWATCH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CORRUPTION AND PROFITEERING FROM BOTH PARTIES. OVERPOPULATION will be the irreversible consequences of mass immigration.
The status quo and the support of it by Tim Kaine, Rick Boucher
My father had good insurance and from all the fancy ads, billboards, television commercials and infomercials I thought he was in the best (hospital) health care system in East Tennessee. Boy was I duped. His care was called "horrifying" by the state of Tennessee, but said it was perfectly within the parameters of what they deem, defend and support as "the acceptable standards of care" in E. TN. He had a nurse playing doctor who was practicing medicine as a physician without a physician's license. The man was showing all the signs and symptoms of internal bleeding and was going into shock yet the nurses prognosis was Sundowners Syndrome. They finally had a nursing instructor who teaches at The University of Tennessee who said the reason my father was going into (shock, was sweating profusely, confused, no urine output, blood pressure dropping 55/35, heart rate increasing 255,blood sugar was topping out around 600), it could have been caused by the room temperature being set too high. It's on record in Greeneville, TN Federal Court. Case no 2:04-cv-375.
See what is called quality health care in TN and VA. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 He rotted to death for ten long months, his legs were amputated. He was begging for a gun, looking back I should have granted him that wish.
There will only be change when those unaffected are as outraged as those who are.
killing granny?
In a responsible society, millionaires pay into the healthcare system just like everybody else, even though, obviously, they're going to use their own fancy schmancy private doctors. This is how it works all over the world where people have national health insurance. And that's how it should be.
I never go to the doctor. I hate doctors. But I will pay willingly into the system if it is national and not private. Why? Because, like in France, where I paid into the system for 7 years while I worked legally there, the money I put into "charges sociales" (see? even the name of it is referring to the society I was living in -- the idea is, if you live with your fellow humans you are responsible for the well being of the society whose prosperity and advantages you partake of. If you don't want to contribute to society, go live in a cave somewhere and don't expect us to help); It paid for not only my care. It paid for my neighbor. It paid for my friend, my colleagues, whoever needed it when I was not in need. It wasn't WASTED. I see every dollar I pay into private health insurance as a waste, as long as I don't use it. I'm the private health insurer's dream -- I never use my health insurance. That's what they'd like everyone to be like. But it's not so. And that's not the kind of care United States citizens should be pouring their money into.
With national health insurance, we all pay, we all benefit.
We're all paying out of our taxes for all the uninsured people who end up in the emergency room and don't pay or go bankrupt from medical bills.
WE'RE PAYING ALREADY. We'd all pay a little less if we all paid into the system.
And as for killing off my parents, they've already told me how they want to go: "pull the plug" is the standing order, since I was twelve. We've all given similar orders. We all grew up knowing death was normal part of life and the only way out of getting out of our responsibilities to our fellow living men and women.
Umm sorry, but you're wrong!
Taxpayers do not pay for emergency room patients who do not pay. I had an emergency room bill several years ago that was a little bit beyond my resources to pay in a timely manner and the hospital sold it to a collection agency. Collection agencies, in case anyone doesn't know, BUY past due accounts from creditors for less than the amount owed and attempt to collect the full balance as their profit. They act on their own behalf, not on behalf of the creditor. If you're getting calls from a collection agency, the creditor is already out of the loop. You are now liable to collection agency, not the creditor. The hospital got paid, they just got paid a little less and the collection agency got paid the whole thing.
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I think we have an 800 pound gorilla in the room- it is redneck right wing religous poepole. And it i not a rich or poor thing. Rednecks are not all poor far from it, but they share a central core value- your religous salvation is on you, and from this you are on your own sucker.
But i like them- when people need to die in wars in far of places and for no goodreasons they are the ones that do it. I love em all
taking forever
I'm beginning to think nothing will ever be passed through. Someone just needs to give in, get something in the legislation and then fix it once problems appear.
What's wrong with NO MIDDLMAN between you and your Dr.?
"They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other, so that they, the rich, can run off with all the [bleep] money.
Fairly simple thing, happens to work.
You know, anything different, that’s what they’re going to talk about. Race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality.
Anything you can do, keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank." ~George Carlin
God Bless George Carlin's
God Bless George Carlin's Soul .... The Rich keep going to the bank.. You bet!! and the banks are bailed out bt the Goverment.. We (the U.S. goverment) are so far in debt we may never get out.. but tax everyone to death and health care won't matter.. while we are all worried and mad about health care they are sneaking gun control (HR45) in the back door... It's O.K. the honest citizens don't need guns to protect ourselves... The goverment will protect us.. Just ask all the people that get shot by Illeagal Immigrant Gang members every day all across the country.. Bet their guns wheren't registered. The representaives "of the people" in wasington have seemed to have lost it.. they are all fighting each other and have lost sight of the real reason they are voted into office.. to represent us, the taxpayer, voter, the working men and women of this country... not just the fat cat rich bankers that mis-manage large corps. and then beg for a govt. bailout... but It doesn't matter the govt. will go ahead and pass the gun control, the healthcare bill and anything else they want to shove down our throats.. when they outlaw going to church and reading the bible on sundays (or any other day) then it will be time to give up and vacate, as in exit stage left.. but by then even that may not be allowed.. sound familiar? Russia 1945 untill when? did the wall come down? Let's hear it for big brother.. Obama! Horray! for socialisim! or should I say sieg heil!
Laloo Joke!!! Laloo Prasad
Laloo Joke!!!
Laloo Prasad Yadav talks to his son.
Laloo: I want you to marry a girl of my choice
Son : "I want to choose my own bride".
Laloo : "But the girl is Ambani's daughter."
Son : "Well, in that case...... Yes"
Next Laloo approaches Mukesh Ambani
Laloo : "I have a husband for your daughter."
Ambani : "But my daughter is too young to marry."
Laloo : "But this young man is a vice-president of the World Bank."
Ambani : "Ah, in that case.....Yes"
Finally Laloo goes to see the president of the World Bank.
Laloo : "I have a young man to be recommended as a vice-president."
President :"But I already have more vice-presidents than I need."
Laloo : "But this young man is Ambani's son-in-law."
President : "Ah, in that case.......Yes."
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Share and Equity
Share and Equity market...short story
Once upon a time in a village a man appeared who announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs. 10. The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys went out in the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at 10 and as supply started to diminish and villagers started to stop their effort he announced that now he would buy at 20 rupees.
This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching moneys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to 25 and the supply of monkeys became so that it was an effort to even see a monkey let alone catch it.
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at 50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business his assistant would now buy on behalf of the man.
In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers, "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at 35 and when the man comes back you can sell it to him for 50."
The villagers queued up with all their saving to buy the monkeys.
Phir na woh aadmi mila na us ka assistant........... Sirf bandar hee bandar.....rah gaye..
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In no country, France
In no country, France included, has a universal health scheme survived in the purity of its conception. I am old enough to remember when Aneurin Bevan introduced the UK system. Prior to its introduction, people did not die in the streets for want of medical care. In rural areas, the doctor charged a bit more to the local rich and those without funds might thank him with a rabbit, chicken, eggs, or a bit of work on his house or garden. The great teaching hospitals were massively endowed and their services were provided free to the indigent.
The 39/45 war brought about a deep sense of national unity in place of the old class structures. Everyone supported the proposed NHS. However, those who could afford medical care did not expect to be using it, nor did they; private medicine continued as it ever had. However, the great teaching hospitals were now nationalized and their funds absorbed by the government. Future endowments dried up.
Inflation, from the 1950s, caused the first cracks in that state of affairs. It eroded the value of capital and the savings accumulated by independent citizens, particularly the elderly, to the point that they were driven into the system.
Medical and pharmaceutical advances insensibly transformed wants into needs and the pressure mounted. Conditions that would have been tolerated before became treatable and demand soon outstripped resources. As wider government control of the population increased, the individual became less self-reliant, more dependant on free ‘expert’ advice, while the breakdown of the three generational family, with the increase in the female workforce, removed much of the experience and help grandparents had once provided. Population growth and re-location further eroded communities which had been mutually supportive.
When I moved from London to Wiltshire in 1979, no more than 200 miles, I found no private doctor practicing within a 25-mile radius and, for the first time, joined a local NHS clinic.
The NHS has become an imbedded egalitarian ideal. Family doctors (who can earn as much as $600,000) are so nervous of legal comeback that they treat everything according to the book. The doctor will not, and probably cannot, sew up a cut or set a broken bone; everything has to be referred to a specialist at a local hospital. Diagnosis of a condition may require three or four separate tests, for each of which there will be a waiting list.
The NHS is now a political hot potato and an insoluble administrative problem.
Tax incentives, combined with a variable level of reimbursement, would provide a potentially more durable system.
Government control of the healthcare of all but the super rich is not a sound democratic principle. I have commented elsewhere that tranquilizers are extensively supplied free in the UK and France (and quite probably further afield). The recipients tend to be those on social security. Whole housing estates are largely tranquilized and, because a child’s natural exuberance may be a trial to tranquilized parents, as young ad six or so, they are now increasingly diagnosed as hyperactive and put on pills.
Tranquiliziation keeps them all quiet. Brave New World, here we come.
Supplementary thought: Many
Supplementary thought: Many ideas that look fine in 2 dimensions, break down in 3, and become sources of evil in 4.
There are several
There are several conservative comments here but no one has the balls to step up and support the idea presented in the article: That the proposed plan will push euthanasia. Why is that? Because it is an indefensible position. They would be defending a lie with no facts. They only responses amount to "liberals are stupid." Pot, meet kettle.
While there is nothing that
While there is nothing that DIRECTLY states the government will be forcing euthanasia on the aged or terminally ill, there doesn't need to be. All the government has to do is tell your doctor that they will not pay, and then what do you do? You will either die or live with a permanent injury or in constant pain from the lack of treatment because the government doesn't think your life is worth saving. They won't have to make the decision to euthanize you because you'll be making that decision yourself when the pain becomes so unbearable that you no longer want to live.
Progressive Hyperbole
With all the progressive hyperbole in play, it was nice to see Al Schumann inject some sense into the differing realities http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2009/08/differing_realities.html at work.
Healthcare reform
My opinion on healthcare is thus: I think that The Government should run it. Why? Because the same stuff that they're now trying to accuse Obama of is EXACTLY what the HMO's were doing, calculating whether or not that person was going to live, or what the value of whatever treatment or therapy or whatever was going to be. HMO's, publicly traded HMO's, pass the money on to their shareholders, as do pharmacy companies, so forth, and so on.
I think a doctor should be FULLY free to evaluate someone's condition, and then be able to be bluntly honest with them, and recommend the next course of treatment, or only palliative care. Why? Because, sometimes, people in medicine get put in the position of having to deliver The Bad News. You. Are going. To die. And, there's nothing they can do about it.
People live about 70, 80 years, beyond if they're lucky, but after 70, you're pretty much 'out of warranty'. There's every chance you're going to the Big Recall In The Sky, past that point. Yes, there are some great treatments out there, and ways to cure diseases and conditions that used to put people down for the dirt nap at 50. But, at what point have you really exhausted the options, and now you're kind of just lying to yourself? That's why doctors get 12 years of medical school, so they can make those kind of decidererers. And, probably not a pleasant chair to be sitting in, come time to make that choice. But, we are born, we live, and eventually, for one reason or another, we die, either disease, by some kind of accident, or of natural causes such as old age. Now, some say that old age by itself is not an acceptable cause of death, but when you're 89, you're not a frisky pup out there, chasing frisbees and chewing up sneakers anymore, are you? Um, no.
Acknowledging things like the eventual inevitability of death are part of growing up. Now you know why grown-ups drink so much, because they get to acknowledge a lot of things, like lifetime indebtedness and so forth. But, we'll talk about taxes later. Right now, let's stay focused on death.
Let's say you've got some kind of painful, life-threatening condition. For you, it's sheer AGONY, going anywhere, or doing anything. You don't want to move if you don't have to, and you'd just as soon stay in bed and die peacefully. But no. But no. You must instead eat 1/2 pound of various miracle pills per day, at ungodly expense, submit to medical treatments that are just as likely to kill you as improve your condition, and the needles and the office visits and and and...and, eventually, you also become aware that this whole Medicare thing is pretty lucrative, and that people, doctors included, tend to operate primarily in their own self-interest, which, in many cases, gets into an equally painful discussion of why people go to medical school to begin with(hint: It's not so they can live like bums in some 3rd world country).
Is modern medicine corrupt? I would tend to say 'yes', I think there's a lot of highly profitable quackery out there, and people that got their degrees out of a cereal box, and companies and corporations that would dump your profit-draining grandma on a street corner, bed sheets and all in a hot second, if they thought they could get away with it. That's perhaps an extreme example, but in states like CA, patient dumping has been a documented fact.
Now the other horror, nursing homes. There you are, can't walk right, can't poop right, can't fend for yourself, can't hold a job, maybe you can't even move. And here is your minimum-wage attendant(who says HMO's don't know how to manage costs?) who will grudgingly take care of you. You'll never see your family again, because you're OLD, and they can't have OLD people hanging around, that would upset the demographic socio-economic norm, having old people hanging around, stubbornly refusing to die, heck, they couldn't even get you to cross against the light on your SuperScooter9000, not even after having wired the throttle wide open and messing with the brakes(those phone poles, they sure hurt, but they're good for something after all! Shame about the scooter, though, that's probably not covered under warranty). So, they carted you off to some elder-care facility, warehousing the old people, keeps em off the streets and away from the TV remote, right? Riiight. But, now that you're actually cashing in on all those years of health insurance, now the company that contracted to cover you and take care of you is strapped for cash. Desperation play time. What to do, what to do? And, that's the same question that state and federal governments are asking, WHAT to do. Because, when it's all said and done, where IS the money going to come from?
And, hence the debate about end-of-life. Because, even though the vast majority of the revenue now being devoted to Medicare comes from promissory spending, the tightwads don't want to cough up a penny. Why? 'Cause they're greedy. And, since some of the greedy people wear stethoscopes and lab smocks and love that online day-trading(and selling meds out the back door of the hospital, trying to pass themselves off as online pharmacies from China or something, TRACERT is your FRIEND, there), patient beware, regardless of age.
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Political Deceit
What is really sad and truly dangerous, is not the disruption to the universal health care debate. It is the corruption of democracy, where a outright lie, a publicly demonstrable lie, is put to the public as truth and supported by mass media and politicians. This is done a normal political practice, I can assure you that if such lies were told in other countries the offending politician would be run out of parliament, obviously not the US. They would be lucky to last the week, there are always politicians even within their own party waiting in the wings to replace them. The biggest dysfunction within US government is the seeming inability to replace corrupt and deceitful politicians mid term. Universal health is the basis for the car that is required to be provided as a 'minimum of service" a guarantee from a society to it's citizens that you will receive those essential health services, it in no way obstructs medical services beyond that, and in point of fact, it financially underwrites private medical services making them cheaper and putting a government watchdog over them to reduce medical malpractice and that is not lawyers suing doctors but greedy and poorly skilled doctors behaving badly.
Answer me this, then. If
Answer me this, then. If socialized medicine will have no effect on private insurers as you claim, then why does no-one but the extremely wealthy have any private insurance in any of the countries that already have it? How many people do you really think will be able to afford to pay higher taxes to support a government run system AND pay for private insurance at the same time? It will be one or the other and since the government will make it impossible for you to opt out of their system, guess which one will be getting dropped.
Health Care
As a Canadian, with a disability and two illnesses, I have never had to sell my house to pay for a medical bill, nor have I been denied medical care (my best friend living in S.Carolina has not been as fortunate, for a hundred dollar bill,due to a lag from their insurence company, her doctor denied seeing her, and they have insurence that costs twice as much as my monthly food bill for three) Our system is not perfect, but no one in my family, or anyone that I know, has ever been denied timely access for emergencies or sudden illness, or even treatment for the little health concerns. Health for Profit strikes me as sad. USA says they'er the greatest nation in the world-So prove it by putting people first, not profit.
Why then?
Do so many of your countrymen cross the border every year who can't wait for sometimes life saving medical care from your government?
What the...
The really sad thing about all this is that the republicans and insurance companies are lying, stoking made up fears, fueling ignorance, inciting violence, using thug tactics to make their case. The danger is their further damage to our democratic system by mobs of thugs ruling by deceit, intimidation and force. Its incredible how low the GOP is willing to go these days. They slither through the grass. If they do defeat health care reform it will mean ever more people unable to afford the sky rocketing costs of our mismanaged health system. That means you middle class readers.
Granny
There are legitimate reasons why a progressive WOULD NOT support Obamacare:
1. The bill isn't written yet.
2. The Senate has already taken out the public option.
3. The House will do the same even if it is in the middle of the night or after the vote.
4. The bill will slash 600 billion from Medicare. Will someone please tell me how this can possibly be good and where the cuts are?
5. If it is now just about health insurance reform, then you don't need a trillion to do that, just enact laws.
And, there is a basis for this fear of euthanasia. And, even if they don't kill grandma, they will most surely send her to "Bedsore Heaven", as in the practice engaged in by Michelle Obama and David Axelrod's health insurance advisory company's "patient dumping".
The fear about grandma is coming from Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel's writings (brother of Rahm), who is advising the health care legislation.
Here is a description of a quote that I read online of his, assuming it was quoted correctly, see if it scares you also:
""Emanuel said that under the “civic republican or deliberative democratic” construct, “services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."
Emanuel is the older brother of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, and he now serves as health-policy adviser at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget and as a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.""
As the commentator further notes, this is pretty innocent unless you are actually advising health care legislation. Apparently there is no shortage of actual writings available to read first hand and should be.
Did you know that the owner
Did you know that the owner of the so called beauty salon "peaches and cream" is a lying theif.
She is autistic and she memorised the formula for arestaline8 which actually belonged to another woman.
She works for Murdoch university and they have been using a psychic to steal students medical formulas and other business ideas for themselves and they bring them out beofre the person invents them and then accuse the person of being crazy. Putting them on medication that they do not need.
This is not only wrong but is immoral and is seriously affecting the future for everyone else.
GET SOME MORALS OLD WOMAN.
Her father is the leader of Islam they are the ones who told the muslims to circunscise themselves.
HIS PENIS IS TOO BIG FOR HIS BODY.
Maybe someone should do us all a favour and cut it off.
The length of your erect penis should rad the tip of your nose.
Oh and she has no clitorus.
AND THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO JUDGE EVERYONE ELSE.
I wonder why they stole beauty cream ??
I TOLD YOU NOT TO STEAL FROM ME MR PASPALEY.
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The Blame
I blame the president and you should too:
http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/08/obamacare-the-worst-sales-pitch-ever...
A really relevant site concerning DEATH PANELS---
