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How do you solve a problem like George Santos?
It’s a question comedian Ziwe reckoned with in her “bombshell” interview with the disgraced former congressman, released yesterday on her YouTube channel. It was an apt, highly anticipated pairing. Both Ziwe and Santos are emblems of the modern political era. In different ways, they epitomize a cultural moment that is at best irreverent and at worst nihilistic. They typify a zeitgeist where scammers lurk everywhere, from the pits of reality TV to the highest levels of government.
As showcased in her now-canceled eponymous comedy show, Ziwe’s comedy subverts conventions of journalistic practice with long, awkward pauses and deliberate misquotes of her subject in spliced audio clips. Such cheap tricks were on display in her interview with Santos when she asked him to say the word “icon,” only to repeat an elongated version of Santos appearing to mouth “I con” for viewers to mock. Ziwe’s comedy is something of a racket itself, but thankfully no cost to the American taxpayer.
While Ziwe’s schemes get her laughs, Santos’ might get him prison time. During his brief tenure in Congress, Santos paired wild antics—like carrying a mystery baby through Congress—with extraordinary alleged crimes and harmful political stances. Santos eventually became loathed enough to become only the sixth congressman ever to be expelled from the House of Representatives.
People had high hopes for the interview. “This is my Frost/Nixon,” wrote comedian Rohita Kadambi when the interview was announced. But looking back, what did we expect from this pairing? We got Ziwe’s usual zingers. Softball questions, like asking Santos about his outfit, morphed into gotcha questions, “How many stolen credit cards did you use to pay for this look?” But the final product was uncharacteristically dark and unsettling.
On Ziwe’s former comedy series, subjects frequently struggled to keep up with her world of brash statements and politically incorrect questions. Some played along with the joke. Others, like Andrew Yang, stumbled blindly through questions like, “What are your favorite racial stereotypes?” The result could be mildly uncomfortable but was mostly lighthearted. But Ziwe’s formula didn’t work as well with Santos. Perhaps it is because Santos is neither hapless nor self-conscious. He already is the shameless, morally bankrupt caricature Ziwe tries to mold her guests into.
The most chilling moments of the interview felt like Santos was meeting Ziwe’s gaze rather than being the subject of it. These were the moments it became clear that while Ziwe’s manipulations were part of a comedic performance for Santos it was truly just who he was. As the interview concluded, Ziwe asked how the country could get Santos to go away.
“The lesson is to stop inviting you places” she concluded.
“But you can’t,” he responded with a shrug, confidence oozing. “Because people love the content.”
