I Love a Mark in Uniform

Kidnapping. Falsified documents. Hooters nights. Meet the sleazebucket car dealers who prey on our troops.

—Photo: Matt Eich/Aurora Select

ONE DAY in April, a 19-year-old sailor named William Kirkgaard was walking to the store at the Norfolk naval station when a man in a black Ford Mustang pulled up and asked for directions to the main gate. Kirkgaard indicated the way, whereupon the man, who said he was a former Marine, began asking questions: Why don't you have a car? Are you a member of the Navy Federal Credit Union? Claiming he worked there, Kirkgaard says, the man then offered him a ride to the credit union to open an account—the first step toward buying a car. So the sailor got in. But an ominous feeling overtook him as the Mustang drove on and on. "I kinda thought I was gonna die at that point," he says. The real destination, it turned out, was Tidewater Auto Brokers, a used car dealership in Virginia Beach, about 14 miles away. Mustang Man didn't work for the credit union, and the Marines say they have no record of his having served, either. He was a used car salesman.

Kirkgaard had maybe $20 to his name—not enough to get a taxi back to the base, much less buy a car. He'd only been in the Navy 10 months and had never bought a car without his parents. He didn't even have a driver's license on him, which meant he couldn't legally drive off the lot. Still, Mustang Man, whose real name is Jesse Neely, eventually persuaded him to test-drive a 2005 Dodge Stratus with 78,000 miles and a $10,000 sticker price. It shook violently and the "check engine" light flashed. Kirkgaard told Neely he didn't want the car, he says, but he naively agreed to give the dealership his personal information. Afterward, employees asked him to sign some paperwork; the sailor obliged without much thought. "Congratulations," they told him. "You just bought a car."


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Kirkgaard says he tried to return the Dodge the next day, but the dealership told him (falsely) that it was illegal to cancel a sales contract in Virginia. A saleswoman did offer to reduce the price to $7,900—hardly a deal given the car's roughly $6,000 blue-book value. Kirkgaard, out of desperation, signed the new contract. He then left the car in the parking lot with the keys inside and sought assistance from a lawyer back at the base. He was legally on the hook for the full price, plus 15 percent interest. "I'm screwed," Kirkgaard told me soon after.

Mustang Man has been busy, apparently. Kirkgaard knows another sailor who was delivered to Tidewater after Neely allegedly offered him a ride to the movies. That sailor ended up paying $11,000 for a 2005 Dodge Neon he didn't want. He, too, abandoned it at the dealership the next day, prompting Tidewater to phone the sailor's superior, Chief Electrician's Mate Larry Gordon. "They called me up saying they wanted to press charges against him because he left the car there," Gordon told me. "They are really preying on these sailors."

Tidewater's owner did not return calls seeking comment. When I informed Neely of the complaints, his immediate response was, "Jesus, are you serious?" He admitted he'd picked up the sailors, but claimed they came voluntarily and seemed eager to buy. "If he's over 18 years of age and he's willing to sign a contract," the salesman argued, "I don't see how you can be forced."

Sketchy used car dealers are nothing new to the military. Back in 2000, a Marine Corps report on "financial readiness" noted that car buying creates more money problems for Marines and their families than any other factor. "If they're worried about finances and they're out in the field and the spouse is calling with problems, they're not concentrating on what they're doing," says Karen Varcoe, a professor at the University of California-Riverside who helped prepare the report.

So many young enlistees have been targeted in recent years that some officers now call predatory dealers a threat to national security. Yet authorities ranging from local prosecutors to state regulatory boards to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to the military itself have done relatively little to address the proliferation of dubious auto sales-and-credit tactics. (Many used car dealers make more money selling loans than selling cars.) "I wish there were some aggressive enforcement of the consumer protection laws, especially where military personnel are involved," says Steve Lynch, a Coast Guard attorney who has seen many a Coastie get stung.

Beyond saddling service members with debt, sour car deals can result in bad credit, making it hard for soldiers to obtain the security clearances they need to get promoted. Hard-sell tactics can even affect unit cohesion, says Dwain Alexander II, a Navy Legal Services lawyer at the Norfolk naval station, if a superior officer lures recruits to a dealership for a fee—a common occurrence. "If you can't trust the guys who your life depends on," he says, "that's really bad."

 

THE HAMPTON ROADS region of southeast Virginia, home to 14 major military installations, is overflowing with used car dealers. They hang their shingles here by the dozens, feeding on a steady supply of 18- to 22-year-old enlistees giddy at the prospect of their first real paycheck. "The guys buy the cars as soon as they get here," says Alexander. "There's a beach. They can't pick up girls without a car."

One showroom a stone's throw from the Little Creek naval base lures sailors with pool tables and the promise of free lunch for those who bring a few friends. Others feature video games and big-screen TVs, bikini car washes and Hooters nights featuring all-you-can-eat wings. (The slogan on Tidewater's website: "All Military. All Ranks. 0 Down.")

When such promotional strategies fail to put boots on the lot, some dealerships resort to more aggressive methods like bird-dogging—the illegal tactic of paying service members and others to drag their buddies down to the lot, or local cabbies to bring in kids who arrive at the airport fresh from boot camp. One local dealership even convinced a USO volunteer to forward contact information for the newbies coming in at Norfolk International Airport. Salespeople would then call and claim, say, that the recruit had won a prize, and would he like to come down and collect it?

With so many dealers chasing military customers, the competition is intense. Kirkgaard's story isn't even the worst of it. In 2004, a Norfolk-area dealership called Carland lost its license for essentially kidnapping young Marines from bases in North Carolina and northern Virginia. The victims had made the mistake of calling "Kim," a name listed on business cards someone had sprinkled around Camp Lejeune and other bases. (It stood for "kids in the military," military lawyers later discovered.) The card promised discounts, and when Marines called, Carland sent an employee to pick them up and drive them to its lot nearly four hours away. It was a one-way trip; the hapless grunts were told that they'd have to buy a vehicle in order to get back to base and not be declared AWOL. One stressed-out Marine paid $23,000 for a 1997 Civic, nearly quadruple its value.

Navy lawyer Alexander sees a steady stream of sailors trapped in bad car deals. The young enlistees are naive and trained not to ask questions. They make particularly good targets for credit shenanigans, since the government makes it easy for dealers to garnish wages when an enlistee defaults on a loan. The upshot, Alexander says, is that his clients typically overpay by at least $2,000, often enough to trigger chronic money woes.

 

FOR ALL ITS war-fighting skills, the military is ill equipped to take on a bunch of unscrupulous businesspeople. While its lawyers can help individual soldiers, litigation is expensive and time-consuming. Alexander says his office sued a dealer called Hollywood Wholesale Inc. a few years ago, but the owner simply changed the business name and transferred the property to his brother. Alexander won a $50,000 judgment plus $25,000 in attorney's fees, but only managed to collect $3,000. "Getting a judgment against a car dealer is extremely difficult," he says.

The military isn't without options. Most bases have disciplinary control boards that can declare a dealership off-limits, making it a crime for service members to patronize it. But while effective—it wreaks havoc on sales—this off-limits designation is rare. Commander Art Record, vice chairman of the Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board for the Hampton Roads area, says the board first gives dealers the opportunity to change their practices. In the last year, seven Norfolk-area dealers have appeared before the board, but only one is currently off-limits, and that dealership has closed its doors.

The brass has also taken steps to educate enlistees, who now get some financial literacy counseling in boot camp. Alexander says his base offers a great, albeit poorly attended, seminar on car buying. But these efforts haven't helped much, he says; many of the victims are barely out of high school and just don't appreciate the pitfalls. "It's so unfair to put all of the burden on the troops," says Rosemary Shahan, president of the California nonprofit Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety, who has been fighting sleazy dealers since the 1970s. "They have enough to worry about. They're protecting us. We need to step up and protect them."

 

FEDERAL LAWMAKERS have been more inclined to protect the dealers, a politically savvy bunch who doled out more than $9 million to federal candidates during the 2008 election cycle alone. In 1982, after the FTC ordered auto dealers to post signs on used vehicles, disclosing any known defects, the dealers squealed and Congress eviscerated the new rule. The commission hasn't tried anything so bold since.

In any case, the feds have limited authority. Regulation of auto sales falls largely to state dealer boards. But the dealers, who have even more clout in local and state politics, tend to dominate. Virginia, for instance, requires that dealers hold 16 of the 19 seats on its board. The current board can, and occasionally does, revoke a dealer's license or impose fines for illegal practices, but it has only 11 investigators to monitor nearly 3,600 dealerships. In most cases, it doesn't take action until after a consumer successfully sues the dealer, and even then, only if the dealer fails to pay. People in the industry "know what they need to do to stay legal," says Bruce Gould, the board's executive director. "There's a moral problem with it, but not a legal one."

Gould says a partial solution may lie in a new partnership between the Better Business Bureau, the Navy, and a state used car trade group that will refer military customers to dealers who vow to abide by written ethical guidelines. "These dealers are not angels per se, but these folks who come in and have not educated themselves are easy marks," he says. "They sign things that give away their rights, that have interest rates that are too high, and unfortunately, the law is not on their side when they sign something."

The regulatory vacuum has allowed notorious operators to flourish. Take Charlie Falk, a Virginia used car legend with a lot on the highway that runs between the Little Creek naval base and Oceana naval air station. In 1977, Falk served several days in jail for rolling back odometers. In the 1990s, his business was the target of a racketeering suit that accused him of "churning"—selling at inflated prices and quickly repossessing the vehicles after customers missed even a single payment. His dealerships would then resell those cars while suing the original buyers to collect on their high-interest loans. Falk ultimately settled the racketeering case, which involved thousands of customers, by paying $400,000 in damages and writing off $10 million in loans.

Despite all this, state regulators have never shut down any of Falk's lots, nor has the military ruled any of them off-limits. Local politicos have also left Falk alone, although Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) alerted the Navy last year after a Falk dealership unleashed a 30-minute infomercial featuring hot chicks in military uniforms. (The dealership yanked the ads when the military threatened to charge it with improper use of a uniform.)

Tom Domonoske, a Virginia lawyer who specializes in consumer credit, says better policing is needed, not just of dealerships but also of the finance industry. Here's why: Suppose a customer with decent credit is eligible for a loan at 7 percent interest. If a salesman can convince the customer to accept a 10 percent rate—a feat Domonoske says many dealers accomplish by lying—he can then sell the loan to a bank or finance company and pocket the extra 3 percent as a perfectly legal kickback.

This percentage cut encourages dealers to inflate sales contracts with pricey add-ons and even to falsify loan documents so that customers qualify for more loan than they can afford. Banks and finance companies have largely turned a blind eye to these practices, Domonoske says. Many sell the loans to Wall Street, so what does it matter if the customer defaults? The easy credit, Alexander argues, "funds criminal conduct, bird-dogging, and provides incentives for the overpricing of vehicles for massive profit to dealers."

Additional reporting by Taylor Wiles.

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its nice to read a useful

its nice to read a useful article Thanks for posting about this, I would like to read more about this topic. =))

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When I was in the Australian

When I was in the Australian military there was always a few lessons on finance especially in relation to buying cars for recruits. In addition whilst in basic and initial training it is not allowable to buy a car.

Some OC/COs insist that young soldiers inform section leaders when they are buying a car and allows the local RAEME workshops to give it a look over.

Units have a thing called Routine Orders which are issued weekly. If a unit CO suspects a business is ripping off his diggers he will place the establishment off limits.

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I agree wholeheartedly with the Australian ex-military person.

The Australians have the right idea. Maybe we could borrow some of their ideas on this problem. Maybe if less of the locals and senior military were taking kickbacks from the dealers, something could be done here.

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Yep, that's our best and brightest

Don't try and paint these soldiers as victims. What kind of idiot gets tricked/accidentally buys a car they don't want for 20 thousand dollars? No wonder Iraq and Afghanistan are such a mess.

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i was stationed at camp

i was stationed at camp leujeune when this happened , as a 26 yr old NCO. these car dealers are the sleaziest of the sleazy. and frankly unless you understand ANYTHING about military culture you don't have the brains to comment on this.

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Funny, because I have enough

Funny, because I have enough brains to not sign ambiguous documents/contracts. If soldiers don't understand this basic principle then who in their right mind thinks they are competent to fight a war? Now, I'm not saying what these auto dealers do is beyond reproach (it's downright despicable), but ultimately, if you sign a document, no matter how ridiculous, you are responsible for said document. This is the basis of contract law.

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Sounds to me like you work

Sounds to me like you work on a car lot....

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Military "culture" ?

Don't make me laugh !

D. Hudson

Sebastion Pex:

Very young, naive, easily pressured people are susceptible to this sort of thing. You either have no pity for them or you're judging everyone by your own inflated sophistication.

D. Hudson

How the pledge should read:

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic that it established: one Nation out of many peoples with Liberty and Justice for All.

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I disagree.

This person obviously has never been in the military before, so I don't believe he has a right to make such ridiculous statements. How would he know how it is?

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Victims ?

These soldiers are tasting their own medicine: they prey around the world in the name of capitalism, and finally, at home, fall prey to capitalism. Chickens are coming home to roost. Juste retour des choses...

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What type of person

The type of person that buys these things, not cars things, is one that has had all semblance of self removed over a 3 month period. They do not think, as they are not payed to think and that is the way the military wants it. My mother worked for an office of the Marine Corp that helped pay the bills for Marines either stationed out of the states or were in combat. This office was disbanded in 2007. It seems as if the military budget did not have room for taking care of the men and women fighting. Perposterous you might say, reality is actually what it is.
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What type of person

The soldiers who are tricked by these car salesmen, are the same kids that are tricked by recruiters.

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In 1982, after the FTC

In 1982, after the FTC ordered auto dealers to post signs on used vehicles, disclosing any known defects, the dealers squealed and Congress eviscerated the new rule. The commission hasn't tried anything so bold since.

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You think this is bad?

You think this is bad? think back 10 years ago. Here's a really sad story of two guys who really got in over their heads.

Poor vets, finally out. Barely knew how to fly.

Finally land jobs in the government. Screwed all that up too! who are these poor idiots?

(Bush the lesser and McCain)

thank you Uncle Sam for recruiting kids. Think they need home econ courses more than combat.

Lets teach our young to THINK!!!

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Soldiers ripped off

Back in '72 I'd just gotten out of basic training and was stationed in Monterey, California, at the Defense Language Institute. I was very lonely, afraid and so when another soldier who worked in the office of the Company Commander told me I had a visitor waiting for me I was thrilled!

But it turned out to be an insurance salesman and I ended up with a $50 a month automatic deduction in my pay for a policy I really didn't need. And when I went to payroll to get the payment stopped there was some rule or massive amount of prosessing time that I had deductions for the next year before they stopped.

My God, how hard would it be for new recuits to be given a one hour seminar on how they could be ripped off by all the different rip off artists out there?

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There but for the grace of God...

While we've all been victimized by Wall Street and the Free Market to some extent, this is yet another example of how the young, the poor, and the inexperienced get singled out. Why can't we just have a mandatory 1-hour session in boot camp and tell these men and women what to expect and what to do if it happens to them. Where's the Esprit de Corps in letting the newbies sink or swim. Give them business cards to put in their pockets for a ride back to base. In the meantime, let's move on laws that protect all of us from these abuses.

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Yes, the Navy SHOULD do something

I'm a milspouse and have been in and out of Hampton Roads for the last 15 years. There are some very shady car dealers (and other kinds of places particularly rent to own) that prey upon--not serve--the military community. Charlie Falk is NOTORIOUS. But he's still open and kids--don't be mean, we are talking about KIDS, many of them just turned 18, college freshmen, people normally living at home with mom and dad--who are not from this area or don't have friends familiar with the area yet have no idea what kind of sharks lurk in the waters. There are scads of smaller, fly by night dealers. And many of them have very poor reputations too.

I've personally been cheated TWICE by Williams Honda's service department--an otherwise reputable dealer. We bought one car there, but not a second. But subsequent to that, we bought at RK Toyota and have had a very good experience with both the buying and the service. Denbigh Toyota... not so much.

There is absolutely no reason the military should not aggregate the experience of its soldiers and sailors to make sure that businesses that serve the military community don't prey upon the military community instead. If the first thing a sailor does is buy a car, MAKE THE BAR BUYING CLASS MANDATORY. Or make it a requirement that you report a car purchase to your command within 24 hours... though this assumes that the command gives a flying fart (not a great assumption) about the sailor and would intervene if the sailor has been cheated. Heck, just ordering chiefs to go down to the car lot when the kids returns a car would do a whole lot of help. NO ONE cheats my husband's sailors if he has anything to say about it.

These kids may be sailors, but the Navy seems to be ignoring the fundamental fact that these sailors are KIDS.

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Intelligence of the military

By preying on the dregs of our society in order to fill enlistment quotas, our military has an average intelligence way below average. There is no reason for smart people to sign up for below minimum wage pay and personal humiliation in order to go and kill people that some oil company executive thins should be killed for his profit. The system is so corrupt that whining about a few used car sales people diverts the discussion from the immorality of the military to taking advantage of below average people, which is what the military did when they "recruited" them. Sorry, solve the main problem first.

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Agreed. Seems eerily similar

Agreed. Seems eerily similar to the downward spiral of the Roman military during the late empire.

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Kids amongst the wolves

When I was 18, I didn't know my butt from a hole in the wall. If my parents hadn't taught me to not trust anyone easily, I would've probably fallen for these kinds of scams, or been victimized by slick operators. The main reason that these cruds are still in business is that they have political clout as a result of their contributions and connections. Otherwise, they'd be in jail.

Why doesn't the Navy and Marine Corps list these complaints, complete with the names of the dealerships, on every wall, bullettin board, and website in camp? These people need to be shut down.

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Shut down

Better were to shut down the US military !
I've very few compassion for uniformed criminals, and if these car salesmen are scam, US soldiers (or sailors, or airmen, same shit) are worse scam. Rogue salesmen don't kill, soldiers do. It's even the only thing they can do.
I fell so helpless angainst the state violence and the rampaging of the US/NATO through the world that when something bad (but it's not as bad as being maimed, killed, abducted or tortured by your so-called victims) happens to one of the tools of that violence, it does feel good, even if schadenfreude isn't a noble feeling !
To the author: don't you think there are real victims that deserve an article, instead of what you affectously call "our troops" ?

D. Hudson

This is absolutely not new.

This is absolutely not new. I was stationed at a Florida Air Force Base over fifty years ago and the external perimeter of the base was covered with businesses designed to prey on naive young airmen. These included small loan companies, pawn shops, used car dealerships, furniture stores, television dealerships, etc. This has apparently always been the case as I asked my uncle and older cousins who had been in the Army, Navy and Air Corps during WWII. They affirmed that this went on without any interference from the military or federal, state and local legislators. Trust me, no one gives a god damn for our lowliest troops. After the lowly enlisted man or woman is ensnared in some sleazy,predatory scheme to bilk them out of their pitifully meager salary, the predators resort to their commanding officers to help them collect their blood money. The CO's willfully assist them with threats of courts martial.

Long ago, the phonies in "our" congress could have done something about this.

D. Hudson

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic that it established: one Nation out of many peoples with Liberty and Justice for All.

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Support the Troops, eh?

Support the Troops, eh?

G2G2

Stuuuuuuuuuuuupid

I've done dumb things but never that dumb. I guess in the No-Child-Left-Behind dumbed-down america, education costs big money.
These are america's heroes? Har, har har

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Officers and comrades

should pay these sleazy dealers a visit and set out some rules.
They wouldn't leave a comrade in the battlefield; why do they leave them in a sleazy minefield?

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The military and government are part of the problem

The reason these vultures can so easily and so profitably prey on young servicemen is because these businesses have figured out how to abuse the system to their advantage. They use the chain of command to enforce bad loan repayments by by-passing the usual loan scenarios and appealing to commanders and higher ranking NCOs who pressure the young troops to pay off the debts - which is a misappropriation of the power inherent in their rank.

Many of these businesses are also experts at abusing the US Federal Marshall service; reporting allegedly delinquent troops/debtors to the nearest US Marshall service and having the taxpayer foot the bill of enforcing bad loans that fall into arrears.

Yes, it is foolish to agree to these terms; but we are all young and foolish from time to time, and the clear and open omnipresence of these crooked businesses outside every military base I have ever been at lends a semblance of legitimacy to them. "How can they ALL be crooks?" is the question that runs through every young enlisted person's mind...

The businesses are all experts at skirting the law because it is their business and they can focus on it. The service men and women are at a natural disadvantage, even the smart ones, because it is NOT their business to understand their rights and good business practices; it is their business to serve and they should be focused on their military jobs. They need help; and the seedy perimeter around every base needs to be punched through and warned about.

We need to prevent them from taking advantage of the existing rank structure to enforce collections, and prevent them from using the tax-payer to foot their collection bills. That will make them more careful about lending responsibly, and the market itself will deflate to more rational practices, I hope.

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Breaking Laws

This story really touched me as a vet myself whom enlisted at 17.This is were the buck stops!lock the SOB up who do this to a sailor or what ever service.The laws should protect the service member as financially, until they are 21 the legal age in every state.They should have the CID check every soldier that had this happenend.It is a hard world out there but I know people that start buying their home at 18 so seen the age difference the Service should have strict laws on this. another side is it is a hard lesson that will never happen again .Support our Men women!

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Good illustration of 2 pts a militarized gov would keep mute

First being refraining from imbuing enlistees with any sense of responsibility for their own future. The military depends on a lowered bar when it comes to the maturity level of our enlisted troops. Machismo replaces respect for life seasoned experience. Rather than rising above group think a person can more easily be connived if they just accept a common enemy (which ever enemy it happens to be at the time). Given the general demographic of enlistees; young, poor, lacking a good role model of financial responsibility (anyone want to buy a $5000 toilet seat,) a service to such a cross section of people would be to include classes in financial responsibility during basic training. The conspicuous absence is quite telling.

Second, failure to recognize finance (like any other resource) as a resource to protect. As we fall into the abyss of a consumer based economy were a consumer is a resource to be fleeced and increasingly left to there own whiles to maintain their own existence while the temptation of bad choices bides for their attention at every respite of reprieve.

And the great Enterprise culture will save us all (supposedly.)

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Simple solution

Somewhere in basic, teach each and every one of our troops that if someone lures you into a car under false pretenses, refuses to let you go or return you, that is kidnapping. Call 911. Go to the business nearest the dealership and call 911 if necessary. At this point the service person is a victim of crime, thus hopefully protecting them from a charge of being AWOL for a reasonable amount of time.

Civilian criminal charges against the dealers using these tactics, under already existing laws, ought to discourage them significantly.

FreeDem

Apparently this is training....

... for when they rise far enough in the ranks to be involved in military procurement.

Perhaps if there were mandatory minimum sentences for fraud like the mandatory sentences for using a gun and then actually enforced the law, there would be a lot less of it and the economy would boom spectacularly relieved of its fraud burden.

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hard to be right on this one

this must be real galling for the bushies- libertarians worship themselves so they have no concern but the bushies- man on the one hand can't interfere with the conduct of adults and one must worship the wealth, but damn if you have a natural sense of right and wrong- say a huck finn-then you know legal fiction or no this is wrong. and it took liberals to expose this- probably even more galling

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Oreilly

heh Bill O'relly where are you now HUH?! heh Hannety whats up BUDDY? Come on Fix and friends lets see you support the troops nowHUH

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Armytown economics

I guess some people think that if you're um, zealous enough to raise your right hand and repeat after me, you'll eagerly sign just about anything they put in front of you, including loan papers. But, that's why The Government has lawyers, with sharp little pointy teeth and eager, grasping claws and sharp senses and all day to go looking for the kind of people that would thus take advantage of Joe/Jane/their offspring etc. Joining the military is one thing, being seen as an ATM with legs/mobile food source with a guaranteed paycheck, that's something else entirely. There's two answers, here, one, Congress could enact a legal provision that prevents servicemembers from signing any lending agreements independently of a base lawyer, or two, suing the pants off of predatory lenders in any such instance of deliberate economic abuse of our servicemembers. One should seek to develop a certain level of business acumen in life, learn to deal effectively with hustlers and scamsters and so forth, but sometimes that takes a little training, and if your emphasis was on something else in military school, these folks will eat you(and your paycheck) for breakfast, so caveat militis emptor, there...serving your country should not imply serving up your paycheck like a hors d'ouvre. Sure, business is business, but ripping off service personnel is pretty low behavior. Also does a great job of shutting down repeat business, because word...gets around...

Klaatu marachas necktie

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Armytown economics- Very

Armytown economics- Very good points. New military members are different than your typical 18 year old living at home. They have a steady paycheck and the predatory lenders/car dealers know that the US government is co-signing these loans. All it takes is a call from one of these companies to the base legal office and the government is then deducting the payment from the servicemember's paycheck.

The military has been doing a better job in educating junior personnel on the potential financial dangers right outside the gate.

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contracts

The stories of local rip-off places around military bases are legion and long in history. For those who question the ability of a youngster to be duped into signing a contract for something they really don't want, go to your avaerage high school senior class and give everyone a copy of an auto purchase and financing contract and see how well they can answer questions on it once read. I'll bet money the biggest chunk will have no decent grasp of what they are reading, since it's written by college - educated lawyers with the intent of covering the bases, not reader understanding.

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I have been there.

As someone once stationed at the Naval Air Station in Norfolk many years ago, I see things have not changed all that much since I was there. I was young and naive like most of the guys portrayed in the story, but in my era an automobile would have been out of the question, since back then we were only making $80 a month (1960 dollars). Every time I would venture into town I and my buddies were accosted by these sleazy con artists on all sides, but back then, it was mostly jewelry, not automobiles. Remember, this is the town in which military personnel used to see these signs in front lawns: "Keep off, dogs and sailors." But of course, it was perfectly legitimate for the locals to fleece their unwelcome "guests." I notice most military towns have this sort of problem, but I believe the sleazebags in Norfolk have it down to an art.
It is a disgrace that Norfolk has not had the guts to do something about this scourge, even after all these years! The politicians must be in on the action.

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What a bunch of wimps.

I know they wouldn't try that with my army buddies. They would never be heard from again.

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Tidewater Auto Brokers

As a veteran of 18 years selling cars I was naturally not surprised by the methods which these scum use to make their living, but still I was appalled. Thought of a million ways for me to make their lives miserable despite the 500 miles distance from me to them, but with a computer, the internet and a telephone, wow the possibilities. I did telephone them nonetheless and asked to speak with Mr. Neely, who is no longer employed I was told. Mentioned Mother Jones, but the man answering the phone had no idea what I was referring to. Great story and shame on the United States Navy.

boredwell

car jacks

If you turn this coin over, perhaps these young troops will have learned a lesson about the price of gullibility: know your enemy. That said, unscrupulous doesn't adequately describe these dealers - rotten to the core does.

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Lets talk about

Lets talk about stalkers.

What was the name of the japanese piece if shit who accused his GRANDDAUGHTER of telling people that him and his son molested her ??

Is that the same person who stole the students hard study and sold the formulas for their own person gain.

I WONDER IF DAMIEN ECCLES FAMILY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.

Could the old Buddist and the Mayan be formulating a plan for their family to escap an earthquake that they caused.

THE SO CALLED CULT Maria (whatever the fuck) is a big scam for Carlo Viani's wife to become famous. The same ugly old woman from crouching tiger hidden dragon.

She is a lying theiving old bitch who thinks that when one memeber of the family is successful they sould support all of the other lazy fat lying fighting pieces of shit that share the sme genes.

WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND OLD MAN IS THIS. Some people are more talented than others and they are the ones who decide who gets the benefits of their hard work. NOT THIEVING OLD PSYCHIC WHO IS JEALSOUS AND SPITEFUL.

Never steal from the futute generations or it will turn on you.

Oh and once were warriors, the man that this story was about needs to be told nt to hit women or we wil all suffer. After all it was his wife that told the people how to creae the cream that was designed for albinos and the dead.

THE FOLLOWING COSMETICS ARE NOT SAFE FOR ANYONE BUT ALBINOS OR DEAD CORPSES

Prai (it is used for the dead)
Arestaline 8 (It causes birth defects ie protein overload)

There is no reason for anyone else to steal any more of my scientific research is there !!

I dont appreciate members of my own family stealing from me because Demetrius decided to tell his lying spiteful mother that I burned him.

HE DID IT HIMSELF YOU STUPID OLD CUNT.

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I think love that

I read your story, i think i will love a mark in uniform, too. I'm not saying what these auto dealers do is beyond reproach, I did telephone them nonetheless and asked to speak with Mr. Neely, who is no longer employed I was told. Mentioned Mother Jones, but the man answering the phone had no idea what I was referring to.

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Mustang Man didn't work for the credit union, and the Marines say they have no record of his having served, either. He was a used car salesman.
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As was posted many times

As was posted many times earlier on this subject, this isn't something that happened just yesterday. Ask any soldier that served in Fort Bragg NC, Fort Campbell KY or Fort Hood TX, within a hundred yards of the gate the line of financial predators begins. As in the article, many of these shysters claim to have been in the military, but a nasty truth is that many had been and probably were victims of the same schemes they pull on the current enlistees. Another sad fact is that the local governments will do nothing about the dishonesty because of the tax money that is generated from soldier's paychecks.

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Auto Scammers

Frankly, given the stories we all hear about PTSD and its lethal consequences, I'm a little surprised these sleazy car dealers haven't been dealt some fear themselves.

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I was stationed, most

I was stationed, most recently, at Fort Leonard Wood, MO. The surrounding town, St. Robert, is tiny and is comprised primarily of fast food joints, dollar stores, pay day lenders, Walmart and several new and used car dealerships.
A service member quickly learns that you will not get a good deal on a new or used car around a military post. The dealers understand that most of their prospective buyers-even the older ones-are are not savvy enough to withstand the high-pressure sales pitch. Significantly, most soldiers favored pick-up trucks and flashy SUVs and these dealers are totally aware of what appeals to these kids, most of whom have the a steady pay-check burning a hole in their pocket.
As sleazy as it may seem the dealers know that they have a large herd of sheep begging for a fleecing. In Georgia, outside of Ft. Benning, a large, volume dealer hired Senior Non-commissioned officers as part time salesman to service young soldiers. These kids were convinced that the ole sergeant major was "looking out" for his fellow soldier and the sales pitch was almost an implied order. What young enlisted can withstand subtle pressure from a Sergeant Major !
The post commander at Ft. Benning was wary of the local delearships exploiting young troops and put these dealers off limits. Some were out of business within the week. I imagine that the Ft. Benning case is an exception.
Anyone purchasing a car in a military area must be made aware that the best deals are made at big-city dealerships out of the immediate post area. I bought a new car in St. Louis, 120 miles away, and got a great deal from a respected volume dealer. Going a few extra miles is well worth it in the long run.
NCOs and commanders LOOK OUT FOR YOUR TROOPS!!!
Buyer BEWARE!!!!

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sleazy sales tactics

I think it is disgusting that people are so selfish and have so little respect for people that they will resort to these tactics. 'Kidnapping. Falsified documents. Hooters nights. Meet the sleazebucket car dealers who prey on our troops.'

Maybe they learned their methods from military recruiters, who use all these techniques and more to convince young men and women to enlist. And if a recruit changes his or her mind, we've seen plenty of cases of recruiters lying, threatening to have kids arrested, and worse.

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I Love A Mark In Uniform

Aren't the tactics employed by Mustang man exactly the same tactics used by military recruiters. It is not uncommon practice for military recruiters to hang around schools, malls, video arcades, etc....dressed in hip clothing out to show a young guy a great time.....then next thing you know he is in the military and off to Iraq. Recently in a California City, and ordinance was passed prohibiting recruiters from hanging around High Schools, as several recruiters were found to be making false promises trying to entice high schoolers to join the military.

So really...is it OK when it is government but sleazy and underhanded when it is just plain Capitalism.

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